Hunter Biden on trial

[IU_Hickory]

Could be wrong, but think the pardon clause is limited to federal offenses.

It has been mentioned multiple times that presidents can only pardon federal and not state. That is why if Trump wins, he can only clear out his federal cases.

Trump dangled out pardons to anyone that stayed loyal and didn't cooperate with any investigations against Trump. Michael Cohen wasn't sufficiently loyal so he went to prison.

 

[Mark Milton]

Could be wrong, but think the pardon clause is limited to federal offenses.

You are correct--federal crimes in district court, DC courts and maybe military court martials

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

27 million...Spiro Agnew just did summersaults in his grave. The elites will probably build Joe a statue as a parting gift with an inscription "Thanks For Playing".

I look forward to more of these. Keywords...Took Power

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Uh . . . what do you think is significant about that?

 

[hoot1]

You are correct--federal crimes in district court, DC courts and maybe military court martials

Given Roger Clinton was in a federal prison it would appear his offense was a federal crime and eligible for a presidential pardon.

Personally, I am not big fan of the pardon clause which can be traced to Brittish common law as I understand it.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Given Roger Clinton was in a federal prison it would appear his offense was a federal crime and eligible for a presidential pardon.

Personally, I am not big fan of the pardon clause which can be traced to Brittish common law as I understand it.

It’s a sham used for favors and yucks. Trump pardoned 143 people yet the tiger king rots. Give me a Fing break. Tiger king’s crew had limos and all of it ready

 

[dbmhoosier]

It’s a sham used for favors and yucks. Trump pardoned 143 people yet the tiger king rots. Give me a Fing break. Tiger king’s crew had limos and all of it ready

And gay escorts ready to provide. Maybe next year.

 

[mcmurtry66]

And gay escorts ready to provide. Maybe next year.

Nah he should have taken care of the tiger king. The tiger king is all of us. Tranny. War vet. Animal lover. Fighter. Divorcee. Name a person and he’s in the tiger king. Now he has to rot. Trump’s incapable of winning. Stupid looks comments etc. Harris will win handily. She looks positive and energetic and he behaves like a preschooler in the body of a cadaver.

 

[Mark Milton]

Given Roger Clinton was in a federal prison it would appear his offense was a federal crime and eligible for a presidential pardon.

Personally, I am not big fan of the pardon clause which can be traced to Brittish common law as I understand it.

I hate the pardon clause because it is abused by everyone. George Washington only gave out 16. James Monroe gave out 419, and of that, over half were convicted pirates! Grover Cleveland gave out at least 1100, including Billy Wilson, a member of Billy the Kid's gang. Jimmy Carter pardoned G. Gordon Liddy and the dude that tried to assassinate Truman. Reagan pardoned Mark Felt, who was later identified as Deep Throat. George HW Bush pardoned everyone involved in the Iran Contra affair. Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal and Marc Rich--Clinton pals. George W. Bush gave out only 200 but bad one was commutation of sentence for Scooter Libby. Obama at 1927. Trump was at 237.

While some of the pardons have merit, a good chunk appear to be attempts to curry favor and sweep things under the rug

 

[hoot1]

I hate the pardon clause because it is abused by everyone. George Washington only gave out 16. James Monroe gave out 419, and of that, over half were convicted pirates! Grover Cleveland gave out at least 1100, including Billy Wilson, a member of Billy the Kid's gang. Jimmy Carter pardoned G. Gordon Liddy and the dude that tried to assassinate Truman. Reagan pardoned Mark Felt, who was later identified as Deep Throat. George HW Bush pardoned everyone involved in the Iran Contra affair. Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal and Marc Rich--Clinton pals. George W. Bush gave out only 200 but bad one was commutation of sentence for Scooter Libby. Obama at 1927. Trump was at 237.

While some of the pardons have merit, a good chunk appear to be attempts to curry favor and sweep things under the rug

Agree.

Our good friend with a sense of humor, the incomparable MM66, reminds us of Joe Exotic. Among other things The Tiger King killed five innocent tigers.

The pardon (of Joe, not MM66) was hardly for a national interest ( although Donald Jr. did take an interest in his case) and instead upset animal lovers around the country.

Oh well, please pardon my questioning the wisdom of Our Founders along with Donald Jr. and his esteemed father.

 

[Mark Milton]

Agree.

Our good friend with a sense of humor, the incomparable MM66, reminds us of Joe Exotic. Among other things The Tiger King killed five innocent tigers.

The pardon (of Joe, not MM66) was hardly for a national interest ( although Donald Jr. did take an interest in his case) and instead upset animal lovers around the country.

Oh well, please pardon my questioning the wisdom of Our Founders along with Donald Jr. and his esteemed father.

@mcmurtry66 and Tiger King are kindred spirits--below the waist I would imagine. Also, both sustain themselves on the blood of white tigers.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Agree.

Our good friend with a sense of humor, the incomparable MM66, reminds us of Joe Exotic. Among other things The Tiger King killed five innocent tigers.

The pardon (of Joe, not MM66) was hardly for a national interest ( although Donald Jr. did take an interest in his case) and instead upset animal lovers around the country.

Oh well, please pardon my questioning the wisdom of Our Founders along with Donald Jr. and his esteemed father.

AND CAROL BASKIN FED HER HUSBAND TO A TIGER!!!!!

 

[dbmhoosier]

AND CAROL BASKIN FED HER HUSBAND TO A TIGER!!!!!

I'd rather be him than her current husband.

 

[hookyIU1990]

The more of this Tiger King stuff I see, the happier I am that I didn't waste my time watching it.

 

[Mark Milton]

The more of this Tiger King stuff I see, the happier I am that I didn't waste my time watching it.

100%. Exhibit number 202323232 why I hate reality TV.

That being said, my wife had me take a gander at America's got talent and this dude was a baller. That's the American dream right there:

 

[mcmurtry66]

The more of this Tiger King stuff I see, the happier I am that I didn't waste my time watching it.

Sometimes when I think back on it I can’t hardly even believe how good it was. I watched the spin-offs as well. They too were excellent

 

[hookyIU1990]

I watched the spin-offs as well.

Spinoffs?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Spinoffs?

Sure. The doc antle story. There’s an entire world of crazy characters in the tiger king story. Incidentally in my younger days I randomly have been to two of the three zoos featured. Awful places

 

[Mark Milton]

Sure. The doc antle story. There’s an entire world of crazy characters in the tiger king story. Incidentally in my younger days I randomly have been to two of the three zoos featured. Awful places

 

[hookyIU1990]

Sure. The doc antle story. There’s an entire world of crazy characters in the tiger king story. Incidentally in my younger days I randomly have been to two of the three zoos featured. Awful places

Are you telling me that Doc Antle is actually Doug Henning?

 

[Mark Milton]

Are you telling me that Doc Antle is actually Doug Henning?

Also Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath

 

[hookyIU1990]

Also Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath

C'mon man. Don't dis the best guitarist with 9.6 fingers in the world

 

[mcmurtry66]

C'mon man. Don't dis the best guitarist with 9.6 fingers in the world

hilarious. we had this miserable teacher in high school who was missing half a finger and a quarter of a finger. she was awful. she was screaming at the class because we wouldn't stop talking and she started yelling if you don't shut up you'll stay after (and she pointed to her fingers) and goes from three o clock to four o clock and when she got to that half finger i yelled til four thirty and quarter til five

and the class bust out laughing. oh man she was pissed

 

[Mark Milton]

C'mon man. Don't dis the best guitarist with 9.6 fingers in the world

I'm a huge Iommi fan.

 

[hookyIU1990]

I'm a huge Iommi fan.

I'm that way about Bill Ward too. Sabbath with Ozzy is one of my favorites with Dio out front a close second.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

100%. Exhibit number 202323232 why I hate reality TV.

That being said, my wife had me take a gander at America's got talent and this dude was a baller. That's the American dream right there:

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The Tiger King would like a word!

 

[Mark Milton]

I'm that way about Bill Ward too. Sabbath with Ozzy is one of my favorites with Dio out front a close second.

A million up votes for this. The first album with Dio (Heaven and Hell) was near perfection. Hell, I even like technical ecstasy!!

 

[DANC]

Told ya.

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Take the impeachment vote now!

 

[DANC]

No doubt you have read the 290 page report....... When your hero is Tony Bobalinski, you should be worried...

Wait - you're slamming a former Navy officer?

What's your issue with him?

 

[TommyCracker]

A million up votes for this. The first album with Dio (Heaven and Hell) was near perfection. Hell, I even like technical ecstasy!!

Ha ha reminds me of when I was a young teen learning how to rock on my first electric guitar, I could play the riff to the Mob Rules pretty well (open A chord with minor third and lower 7th hammer ons until the open d chord followed by the classic G move then back to the A to repeat. Seriously if you have a young kid starting to learn how to rock on guitar, The Mob Rules is a decent song to learn and play as it involves so many techniques from Iommi, but not super difficult ones like playing high power chords over an open A tone during the 'Its over it's done' section of the chorus. Ioomi I think is just playing high power chords but I always had the open A tone note ringing and thought it sounded bad ass while relating our ears to the major key the song relies on).



Anyway fell in love with Dios super powerful voice that again, as a kid I started watching Friday Night Videos and there was a video that the singer sounded like (my first reaction to the song on a popular video show) the Mob Rules guy but without the power. He was extremely clean and gorgeous vocal tone....only to rip into his insane power vocals later that I remember saying....of my God that is the Black Sabbath Mob Rules singer!!!!

The video was for his solo tune Last in Line and yes, it was played on national TV Friday Night Videos.

Anyway your Dio mention made me laugh remembering my first reactions to Dio and being blown away by his identifiable and now iconic rock voice.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Dio, Halford, & Dickinson all had/have insanely powerful voices.

I wore out Dio's Holy Diver on cassette.

 

[TommyCracker]

Dio, Halford, & Dickinson all had/have insanely powerful voices.

I wore out Dio's Holy Diver on cassette.

Ah man yes, just a great album. Don't Talk to Strangers is such an amazing tune that basically highlights his entire Heavy Metal God like essence all around, from vocals to lyrical themes.

Huge Maiden fan especially as a kid but only up to Powerslave, which actually was my first album I heard from them and was blown away by it. They put out a live album around that time that disappointed me, mainly from their tempos wich surprised me because I loved them. I adored and wore out the cassette to every album from Iron Maiden, to Killers, to Beast to Piece of Mind and then the amazing Powerslave but lost track of them after that.

I wasn't exposed to Priest much growing up but yes, obviously legendary with an iconic recognized sound with Halford's voice that is recognizable today. Glen Tipton is extremely underrated as a rock guitarist. My home town of Bedford didn't have strong access to much heavy guitar rock. They basically had an AM top 40 station and one music store in the one mall. I grew up like a lot of us small town 80's kids a massive Kiss fan, mainly because I had access to their albums from other friends.

I didn't discover much Sabbath and Maiden till I got into high school along with the music TV stations becoming popular. My first introduction to Sabbath was Mob Rules being played during the cartoon movie Heavy Metal on HBO.

 

[Mark Milton]

Dio, Halford, & Dickinson all had/have insanely powerful voices.

I wore out Dio's Holy Diver on cassette.

1000%. Holy Diver, the Last in Line and Triumph's Allied Powers were wrecked after a couple of summers of mowing the lawn with my 600 pound Walkman attached to my hip. Also, I don't recall which Dio album it's on, but the song "Don't Talk to Strangers" is one of my all-time favorite songs by anyone. Maybe it is on Holy Diver. The great thing about Dio is that don't just have Dio and Black Sabbath, but you also have two albums with Rainbow that are great.

We were also huge Iron Maiden fans back in the day. There was a huge group of us on the football and baseball teams that played Power Slave and Piece of Mind in the weight room nonstop.

 

[All4You]

Are you telling me that Doc Antle is actually Doug Henning?

Naw man, it's Lawrence man...

 

[hookyIU1990]

1000%. Holy Diver, the Last in Line and Triumph's Allied Powers were wrecked after a couple of summers of mowing the lawn with my 600 pound Walkman attached to my hip. Also, I don't recall which Dio album it's on, but the song "Don't Talk to Strangers" is one of my all-time favorite songs by anyone. Maybe it is on Holy Diver. The great thing about Dio is that don't just have Dio and Black Sabbath, but you also have two albums with Rainbow that are great.

We were also huge Iron Maiden fans back in the day. There was a huge group of us on the football and baseball teams that played Power Slave and Piece of Mind in the weight room nonstop.

Weight room tunes. I ran cross country as frosh and soph to "get in shape for hoops" and we'd get weight room time. Survivor, Loverboy or some shit like that. Weee!

In the summer, I'd lift with the football team after open gym, and then when I finally came to my senses and stopped running cross country, I'd get time to lift during study hall. Holy Diver, Blackout, For Those About to Rock, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, Balls to the Wall, Screaming for Vengeance, Keepers of the Faith, the occasional mix tape with some punk, lots of great stuff turned up as loud as it would go.

I'd get to the gym early to get shots up before games and play the same stuff on the way there and over the PA until someone made me turn it off.

 

[Mark Milton]

In the summer, I'd lift with the football team after open gym, and then when I finally came to my senses and stopped running cross country, I'd get time to lift during study hall. Holy Diver, Blackout, For Those About to Rock, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, Balls to the Wall, Screaming for Vengeance, Keepers of the Faith, the occasional mix tape with some punk, lots of great stuff turned up as loud as it would go.

That playlist you just named was pretty much my mix tape on the walkman when I mowed the lawn. Blackout--the most criminally underrated heavy metal song ever--even @BradStevens agrees. A couple of other groups to add were Def Leppard and Guns and Roses (Appetite for Destruction of course). We were huge Def Leppard fans, and On Through the Night, High 'n' Dry and Pyromania were all pretty much standard fare.

 

[Mark Milton]

That playlist you just named was pretty much my mix tape on the walkman when I mowed the lawn. Blackout--the most criminally underrated heavy metal song ever--even @BradStevens agrees. A couple of other groups to add were Def Leppard and Guns and Roses (Appetite for Destruction of course). We were huge Def Leppard fans, and On Through the Night, High 'n' Dry and Pyromania were all pretty much standard fare.

Also, I would be remiss in not pointing out that @DANC and I share a deep appreciation for Blue Oyster Cult, so plenty of BOC on the mix tape

 

[BradStevens]

That playlist you just named was pretty much my mix tape on the walkman when I mowed the lawn. Blackout--the most criminally underrated heavy metal song ever--even @BradStevens agrees. A couple of other groups to add were Def Leppard and Guns and Roses (Appetite for Destruction of course). We were huge Def Leppard fans, and On Through the Night, High 'n' Dry and Pyromania were all pretty much standard fare.

I had many friends in the 80s in high school who loved heavy metal. I preferred Sam Cooke. Then and now.

I had this poster on my wall in high school and freshman year of college, less for the music and more for the image:

WHITNEY HOUSTON Original Poster Vintage 1987 by Winterland RARE 24" x 36" NEW! | eBay

Date of Manufacturer: 1987(Winterland Productions, San Francisco, CA). The p oster has only been opened to take photographs.

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Should I start a Fans of Whitney thread?

 

[mcmurtry66]

I had many friends in the 80s in high school who loved heavy metal. I preferred Sam Cooke. Then and now.

I had this poster on my wall in high school and freshman year of college, less for the music and more for the image:

WHITNEY HOUSTON Original Poster Vintage 1987 by Winterland RARE 24" x 36" NEW! | eBay

Date of Manufacturer: 1987(Winterland Productions, San Francisco, CA). The p oster has only been opened to take photographs.

www.ebay.com

Should I start a Fans of Whitney thread?

Greatest national anthem ever

 

[Mark Milton]

I had many friends in the 80s in high school who loved heavy metal. I preferred Sam Cooke. Then and now.

I had this poster on my wall in high school and freshman year of college, less for the music and more for the image:

WHITNEY HOUSTON Original Poster Vintage 1987 by Winterland RARE 24" x 36" NEW! | eBay

Date of Manufacturer: 1987(Winterland Productions, San Francisco, CA). The p oster has only been opened to take photographs.

www.ebay.com

Should I start a Fans of Whitney thread?

Not to worry. Madonna went to my high school and I went to school with her brother-- until he was asked not to stay. We all had Madonna posters.

 

[stollcpa]

100%. Exhibit number 202323232 why I hate reality TV.

That being said, my wife had me take a gander at America's got talent and this dude was a baller. That's the American dream right there:

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Terre Haute IN guy.