Kelly on Trump

[hoosboot]

Maybe. But I don’t really know what he would’ve done differently that wouldn’t have disrupted people’s lives as much as it did. Not, anyway, unless we were going to follow Sweden’s lead in not just shutting everything down.

And, besides, a whole lot of the policy responses were done by states, not the feds.

I just think it was the disruption itself in most cases - which caused political problems for government leaders everywhere.

If that were the case, wouldn't state governors have also lost their reelection bids overwhelmingly? Only one did though and that's because voters in those states didn't think their governor shit the bed on Covid the way voters felt Trump did. If it was just Covid, we would have seen those governors losing reelection overwhelmingly. But it wasn't. Voters throw out everyone because of Covid. They threw out Trump.

Hoos, my man, we seem to have some timeline confusion here.

You just linked a story from 2022 to explain an event from 2020.

Let's not talk about that. Let's go back to #2. 🍳🤦‍♂️🤣

Totally had my timeline confused and got excited when I remembered it was May...just didn't remember it was May 2022. My bad. I own it and move on (back to that really good point I have about #2 🤣)

It’s not just me who thinks it. That’s the reason I pulled the quotes from Axe and Murphy - two seasoned political pros who very much want her to win.

If they’re right that Trump’s numbers aren’t movable, then any effort made to try to move them is just as wasted as the energy expended in trying to push an immovable object. It’s not just that it’s futile, it’s that it expends limited resources that could and should be used to do what she needs to do.

And I don’t mean money. That’s not the limited resource. I’m thinking about things like time and attention.

Like I've said...I agree with part of it. But I think it's a mistake if you think it's about trying to move Trump's numbers. She isn't trying to move the immovable. I think the campaign is trying to motivate...both her base and her reliable demographics (particularly young voters) who don't tend to actually cast ballots reliably. I think it's a mistake to do only that, but there's value in that, too.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

If that were the case, wouldn't state governors have also lost their reelection bids overwhelmingly? Only one did though and that's because voters in those states didn't think their governor shit the bed on Covid the way voters felt Trump did. If it was just Covid, we would have seen those governors losing reelection overwhelmingly. But it wasn't. Voters throw out everyone because of Covid. They threw out Trump.

Let's not talk about that. Let's go back to #2. 🍳🤦‍♂️🤣

Totally had my timeline confused and got excited when I remembered it was May...just didn't remember it was May 2022. My bad. I own it and move on (back to that really good point I have about #2 🤣)

Like I've said...I agree with part of it. But I think it's a mistake if you think it's about trying to move Trump's numbers. She isn't trying to move the immovable. I think the campaign is trying to motivate...both her base and her reliable demographics (particularly young voters) who don't tend to actually cast ballots reliably. I think it's a mistake to do only that, but there's value in that, too.

I’m assuming that virtually everybody who is motivated by Trump - for or against - is already a surefire voter. And I think that’s a safe assumption.

The people she needs to get aren’t. If they were, they would already be in the above group.

And I think you’re saying she should do both. But that’s the point of those comments above from Tapper and Bash. She’s given a great opportunity and platform to make the case and win their support - and she uses it to mostly just keep hammering on Trump…as though if she keeps doing that, eventually she’ll convince them to vote for her just to keep him out of office.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

I think we would get along if all we did was eat pie.

Eating pie is like getting oral sex. Some are better than others but it’s all good, regardless.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Keep reaching the dumb ass. His own republican officials said it was the safest election ever. But hey show us the proof that 60 plus judges called bs. You guys just can’t accept losing. I love it. Same old tired cheating obsession.

Who made the call to stop vote counting in the middle of the night?

It's a simple question genius...

 

[Spartans9312]

CBS Evening news opened with that nonsense story last night. When Trump calls them the enemy of the people, he is correct.

Typical…Information laundering

 

[Spartans9312]

What a fraud. So her closing argument is Trump is Hitler.

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That’s the norm…Democrats have a history of calling Republican presidential nominees “Hitler”.

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It’s pretty obvious who Madonna will vote for in this coming election. At her Sticky & Sweet tour opening show in Wales, during the “Get Stupid” portion of Hard Candy‘s “Give It 2 Me,” Madonna used the video screens to lump together footage of Republican presidential candidate John McCain with...

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[Spartans9312]

Kamala is extremely dangerous and a threat to our democracy.

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Likening the Pub nominee to Hitler is not unique to Trump.

We know Democrats were calling Bush “Hitler”….

 

[IUCrazy2]

Likening the Pub nominee to Hitler is not unique to Trump.

We know Democrats were calling Bush “Hitler”….

Yeah that lands flat for me. Every candidate that has run on the GOP side has been Hitler. When it looked like DeSantis might have been an option early on, they were already laying the groundwork to make that claim about him too.

 

[Spartans9312]

Yeah that lands flat for me. Every candidate that has run on the GOP side has been Hitler. When it looked like DeSantis might have been an option early on, they were already laying the groundwork to make that claim about him too.

Daddy Bush was “Hitler”, Reagan “Hitler”, and of course Goldwater was “Hitler”. They do this 4 years from now whoever the GOP nominee will be. They will be “Hitler” too and they will wax poetic that they are not a moderate like Trump was.


“The reaction shot — when the cameras returned to Cronkite — showed the ‘most trusted man in America’ gravely shaking his head. When Goldwater accepted the Republican nomination, Democratic California Gov. Pat Brown said, ‘The stench of fascism is in the air.’”

“About Ronald Reagan, Steven F. Hayward, author of ‘The Age Of Reagan’ wrote: ‘Liberals hated Reagan in the 1980s. Pure and simple. They used language that would make the most fervid anti-Obama rhetoric of the Tea Party seem like, well, a tea party. Democratic Rep. William Clay of Missouri charged that Reagan was ‘trying to replace the Bill of Rights with fascist precepts lifted verbatim from Mein Kampf’”

 

[Marvin the Martian]

So this is all on the generals, Kelly, Mattis, McMaster, and McRaven, were all just rent-seeking SOBs. I assume Dan Coats and Mike Pence too.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Likening the Pub nominee to Hitler is not unique to Trump.

We know Democrats were calling Bush “Hitler”….

“If everybody’s Hitler, then nobody is.”

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

So this is all on the generals, Kelly, Mattis, McMaster, and McRaven, were all just rent-seeking SOBs. I assume Dan Coats and Mike Pence too.

While I think they’re certainly right in their judgment of Trump as a leader, I can’t say that I buy the claim that he said he wanted generals like Hitler’s.

It just doesn’t sound like something he’d say. I don’t think Trump has the kind of filter most of us have that leads to him talking differently in private than he does in public.

When Durbin said Trump asked why we had to take in migrants from “shithole countries”, I believed it entirely. Because I can easily imagine him saying that publicly.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

So this is all on the generals, Kelly, Mattis, McMaster, and McRaven, were all just rent-seeking SOBs. I assume Dan Coats and Mike Pence too.

You have it right.
Amazing.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

While I think they’re certainly right in their judgment of Trump as a leader, I can’t say that I buy the claim that he said he wanted generals like Hitler’s.

It just doesn’t sound like something he’d say. I don’t think Trump has the kind of filter most of us have that leads to him talking differently in private than he does in public.

When Durbin said Trump asked why we had to take in migrants from “shithole countries”, I believed it entirely. Because I can easily imagine him saying that publicly.

I am not sure I trust that specific comment, nor am I sure what it means. I would assume it means total loyalty to the leader over the state. Of course that only covers some of the German generals, there were many who in one way or another were not on Team Hitler (especially early and late).

I do think Trump wants to be surrounded by sycophants. Yesterday I asked Brad if he thought Trump would hire Dimon, and this is what I was getting at. I don't think Dimon would be a "yes sir, may I have another" type. I think that means Trump wouldn't want him.

After the convention, Harris was dismissing Trump as the crazy uncle. Her problem has been dropping that and reverting to Nazi menace. People like our most MAGA enthusiasts love being associated with the power of Nazi menace. Crazy uncle, not so much. It may be too late to revert back.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Typical Trump word garble. He talks about using the national guard or military to put down large scale violent protests (not something I agree with but not outside the Overton window of opinion), then people question him on what he means by the “enemy within” and he goes off running down his usual list of political enemies (Pelosi, Schiff, etc).

This gets bastardized into Trump will activate the military to mow down Democrats in the streets.

Democrats don’t even believe what they’re saying. It’s theatre.

It's all theater.
Hired actors(starving), paid to get in front of a camera in every cringe Harris-waltz TV ad...

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I am not sure I trust that specific comment, nor am I sure what it means. I would assume it means total loyalty to the leader over the state. Of course that only covers some of the German generals, there were many who in one way or another were not on Team Hitler (especially early and late).

I do think Trump wants to be surrounded by sycophants. Yesterday I asked Brad if he thought Trump would hire Dimon, and this is what I was getting at. I don't think Dimon would be a "yes sir, may I have another" type. I think that means Trump wouldn't want him.

After the convention, Harris was dismissing Trump as the crazy uncle. Her problem has been dropping that and reverting to Nazi menace. People like our most MAGA enthusiasts love being associated with the power of Nazi menace. Crazy uncle, not so much. It may be too late to revert back.

Hitler wanted generals who would lead and fight, not political figures looking to enhance their prospects of wealth and power.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Hitler wanted generals who would lead and fight, not political figures looking to enhance their prospects of wealth and power.

I know you have fascist leanings and admire Hitler and Putin, but that’s an uninformed take. Trump wants Generals that would be loyal to him over the constitution. It’s obvious because that’s what he expects from all his subordinates. This is the oath all the German military had to make starting in 1935:

“I swear by God this holy oath, that I will render to Adolf Hitler, Führer of the German Reich and People, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, unconditional obedience, and that I am ready, as a brave soldier, to risk my life at any time for this oath”

Trump wants that kind of loyalty.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I know you have fascist leanings and admire Hitler and Putin, but that’s an uninformed take. Trump wants Generals that would be loyal to him over the constitution. It’s obvious because that’s what he expects from all his subordinates. This is the oath all the German military had to make starting in 1935:

“I swear by God this holy oath, that I will render to Adolf Hitler, Führer of the German Reich and People, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, unconditional obedience, and that I am ready, as a brave soldier, to risk my life at any time for this oath”

Trump wants that kind of loyalty.

I'm not going to agree he wants that loyalty entirely, but I will say no way it can be outright dismissed.

Hitler didn't want any independent thought. Two of his very best generals were Guderian and Manstein. He would sack both because they had a streak of independence.

Hitler created OKW to oversee OKH. He placed his most loyal generals, like Jodl and Keitel, in OKW. He had OKW and OKH to compete against each other for favor. OKH had more of the traditional generals, so usually OKW was the winner in power struggles as they were more the "how high" type. Hence why those generals.

It had nothing to do with fighting ability or either Manstein or Guderian would have ruled all. Hitler's favorite at the end of the war was Schorner. Schorner was a fanatical Nazi, not an overall bad general but to give an idea, he was one that helped weaken Berlin's defenses in 1945 as clearly the Soviets intended Prague as their main goal and not Berlin. It doesn't take a real genius to see that wasn't close to true. However, Schorner was completely loyal and was named by Hitler as his successor as Commander-in-Chief. Manstein may have been the greatest general of the 20th century, and certainly in the top couple, but Hitler didn't want him around even when the situation was desperate.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I know you have fascist leanings and admire Hitler and Putin, but that’s an uninformed take. Trump wants Generals that would be loyal to him over the constitution. It’s obvious because that’s what he expects from all his subordinates. This is the oath all the German military had to make starting in 1935:

“I swear by God this holy oath, that I will render to Adolf Hitler, Führer of the German Reich and People, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces, unconditional obedience, and that I am ready, as a brave soldier, to risk my life at any time for this oath”

Trump wants that kind of loyalty.

Ah, Brian Kilmeade doesn't think Trump realized German generals were Nazis.

 

[bailey777]

John F. Kelly:

• United States Marine Corps, retired Four-Star General
• Gold Star Father
• former Chief of Staff to President Trump

Much has been attributed to Kelly over the past few years about comments he reportedly heard Trump make. Kelly never denied the reports but never confirmed them - - until now. Trump's recent declarations that, in a second term, he will use the military against American citizens was the last straw for Kelly. "Even to say [that] for political purposes to get elected . . . is a very, very bad thing, let alone actually doing it," said Kelly.

Is American Exceptionalism dead? We'll soon find out.

Trump Fits The ‘Definition Of Fascist’ And Said ‘Hitler Did Some Good Things,’ John Kelly Says

Kelly said Trump was surprised that the uniformed and retired generals he brought on board to work in his administration were loyal to the Constitution instead of him.

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Yawn. Same old tired stuff. Dems are losing so it's smear

John Kelly? Bwahahahaha.

He's a giant fraud. Full blown TDS. His nonsense has been refuted repeatedly. Tell me this isn't all you've got.

time.

 

[snarlcakes]

Eating pie is like getting oral sex. Some are better than others but it’s all good, regardless.

Oral sex with too much teeth = Fruit Pies

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Rhubarb is excellent, both in custard form, and in more traditional form. It also makes a great pudding.

Rhubarb is a weed. Throw enough sugar on crabgrass and you could probably make a pie out of that too.

 

[snarlcakes]

So this is all on the generals, Kelly, Mattis, McMaster, and McRaven, were all just rent-seeking SOBs. I assume Dan Coats and Mike Pence too.

Kelly seems to be one for sure. Not sure on the other generals and don't give a shit to research it. The real problem is the military needs to cut by several 100 billion dollars and a lot of this pissing and moaning goes away.

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Kelly seems to be one for sure. Not sure on the other generals and don't give a shit to research it. The real problem is the military needs to cut by several 100 billion dollars and a lot of this pissing and moaning goes away.

Seems we have some generals more interested in playing political snakes and ladders and ingratiating themselves with the upper crust of the political class.

Look at the nauseatingly obsequious Mark Milley for example.