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Why Did The Dems Do So Bad In The Senate and House?

That's impossible, hoot. 51% isn't relatively few.

Oh, I see the problem. You cited a source that's part of the New World Order. Once you apply the Giuliani repair patch to those numbers you'll see that there's been massive fraud in that polling. Dems are like 40% liberal, 32.35% socialist, 25.20% communist, 2.15% lizard people, and 0.3% satanist.

I've been really surprised by the gains the lizard people have made vis-a-vis the satanists. The satantists really used to drive the party ideology.

I started my post with a question mark about Spartan stating there are "relatively few" centrist Democrats.

Hoos, as you say the 51% of the Dems who are conservative or moderate is actually a majority and hardly relatively few as per Spartan.
 
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Relatively few centrist Dems?

According to the Pew polling, the Dems break down as follows,

Liberals outnumber moderates (38%) and conservatives (14%) as a share of Democratic voters. Yet combined, conservatives and moderates continue to make up about half of Democratic voters (51%).
It's possible that the problem is precisely that traditional Democrats have not done enough to put as much light as possible between them and the party's progressives.
 
who could ever have possibly known that bathroom choice wasn't a big vote getter in 2016, or defund the police in 2020.

of course the Wall St owned DNC knew they were inserting a highly corrupt prez candidate with zero appeal. (with his overt corruption being the big appeal to Wall St in the 1st place).

does anyone here actually believe those who inserted Biden into the nomination while chasing everyone else out, ever wanted a liberal senate or govt..

absent covid, it would have been the GOP sweep those who control the DNC wanted all along.
 
Nice try.

Try again . . . .
Serious people acknowledge the real problems that infect today's criminal justice system. Sloganeering to "Defund the Police" scares away more than a few voters. Use of the word "socialism" cannot but hurt Democrats outside of college towns and upscale urban locales such as Brooklyn.
 
Serious people acknowledge the real problems that infect today's criminal justice system. Sloganeering to "Defund the Police" scares away more than a few voters. Use of the word "socialism" cannot but hurt Democrats outside of college towns and upscale urban locales such as Brooklyn.
The only folks talking about "socialism" where I live are Republicans.
 
The only folks talking about "socialism" where I live are Republicans.
New York Times quoting Democratic Rep. Vicente Gonzalez, "The 'average white person' may associate socialism with Nordic countries, but to Asian and Hispanic migrants it recalls despotic 'left-wing regimes.' " Exactly. And House Democrats uncritical embrace of the Green New Deal likely stirred justified worries among voters about the future costs of their energy bills.
 
It's possible that the problem is precisely that traditional Democrats have not done enough to put as much light as possible between them and the party's progressives.

Sparty, good point.

Also we shouldn't forget the successful Republican narrative which paints all Dems as far left socialists, one world government advocates, and all the outside the normal America values labeling you see in their negative attack ads.

Why would the Pubs give up this narrative given that it works?
 
Sparty, good point.

Also we shouldn't forget the successful Republican narrative which paints all Dems as far left socialists, one world government advocates, and all the outside the normal America values labeling you see in their negative attack ads.

Why would the Pubs give up this narrative given that it works?
Voters also understand that because Pelosi believed a blue wave was inevitable, she refused to compromise and accept a deal offered by the White House for a 2nd stimulus agreement. She couldn't accept less than her $2.2 trillion deal, which included proposals with many of the traditional Democratic handouts to special interests.
 
New York Times quoting Democratic Rep. Vicente Gonzalez, "The 'average white person' may associate socialism with Nordic countries, but to Asian and Hispanic migrants it recalls despotic 'left-wing regimes.' " Exactly. And House Democrats uncritical embrace of the Green New Deal likely stirred justified worries among voters about the future costs of their energy bills.
So you want to import Asian and Hispanic versions of "socialism" for demonization of "socialism" here?

And here I thought you wanted to be a serious player in discussions . . . I guess not.
 
How long does it take for Harris ballots to arrive from China?
Difficult to say.

If those ballots come into the U.S. through Mexico for secrecy reasons, they'll have to come through that three whole miles of big, beautiful wall that Trump personally built himself in only 3 1/2 years and made Mexico pay for.

That in itself will take a while, but additional time will be needed for Trump to lie about what really happened.
 
Defund the police was the worst political slogan in history, if they had went with demilitarize the police it would have been q whole lot different

Was "Defund the police" a Demo slogan or a Pub slogan to describe what Dems wanted knowing it would offend even Dems?

Agree the slogan "Demilitarize the police" would more resemble what both many Dems and Pubs really want.
 
Sparty, good point.

Also we shouldn't forget the successful Republican narrative which paints all Dems as far left socialists, one world government advocates, and all the outside the normal America values labeling you see in their negative attack ads.

Why would the Pubs give up this narrative given that it works?

And the Democrats had an unlikable message for a significant part of the country. They are now the bourgeois party...at least that is the opinion of many people. A party of people who feel superior to a large group. Superior to minorities (You are not black if you don't vote for me), superior to religious people, superior to non college educated, superior to rural hicks, etc. And that is not necessarily directed at you, but I would wager that a fair amount of those voting were voting to give that portion of the Democrat Party's allied factions, who have an outsized megaphone for the party, a middle finger. Frankly they were giving the U.S. ruling class a middle finger. Having some of these talking heads lambasting people for being hateful idiots is not a good way to win friends and allies. We'll see if the GOP figures that out, based on early returns, I don't think the Democrats did.

In my own personal circle, the people being the assholes on social media were overwhelmingly my left leaning friends. "If you vote this way, delete me" and thinks like that turn people off. The Democrats will continue to do well in the urban core, but their messaging sucks donkey balls.
 
And the Democrats had an unlikable message for a significant part of the country. They are now the bourgeois party...at least that is the opinion of many people. A party of people who feel superior to a large group. Superior to minorities (You are not black if you don't vote for me), superior to religious people, superior to non college educated, superior to rural hicks, etc. And that is not necessarily directed at you, but I would wager that a fair amount of those voting were voting to give that portion of the Democrat Party's allied factions, who have an outsized megaphone for the party, a middle finger. Frankly they were giving the U.S. ruling class a middle finger. Having some of these talking heads lambasting people for being hateful idiots is not a good way to win friends and allies. We'll see if the GOP figures that out, based on early returns, I don't think the Democrats did.

In my own personal circle, the people being the assholes on social media were overwhelmingly my left leaning friends. "If you vote this way, delete me" and thinks like that turn people off. The Democrats will continue to do well in the urban core, but their messaging sucks donkey balls.

Craze, gave your post a "like" because you are on to something.

Dem Party convinced folks it was the party of the working class at one time. Now a good many look at it as the party of the know-it-all elites.

Craze, you know I don't completely buy into the above. Starting with who the "elites" are.

The bottom for me in this thread is the Pub narrative is easy to understand and effective as this recent election shows.
 
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Craze, gave your post a "like" because you are on to something.

Dem Party convinced folks it was the party of the working class at one time. Now a good many look at it as the party of the know-it-all elites.

Craze, you know I don't completely buy into the above. Starting with who the "elites" are.

The bottom for me in this thread is the Pub narrative is easy to understand and effective as this recent election shows.

It isn't a pub narrative though. It was the direction Trump went and he got attention because both political parties have ignored a vast swath of the voting public. From the more GOP aligned masters of the universe ( Romney/Ryan wing of the GOP) who helped author the meltdown in 2008 to the Hollywood/Intelligentsia wing of the Democrats who talk about things like intersectionality and such, there are a bunch of people who just don't care about that crap. Blacks who feel pandered to and ignored to poor whites or religious whites who feel ignored...I just think the parties have no clue how to run the country.

People want a job and a way to support their family and they don't want to be condescended to.
 
Craze, gave your post a "like" because you are on to something.

Dem Party convinced folks it was the party of the working class at one time. Now a good many look at it as the party of the know-it-all elites.

Craze, you know I don't completely buy into the above. Starting with who the "elites" are.

The bottom for me in this thread is the Pub narrative is easy to understand and effective as this recent election shows.
Love your style of writing.
 
I think there's a lot of interesting commentary on this thread. I don't think much of it really hits very close to what actually occurred.

There was no policy debate, whatsoever, in this election cycle. It was a total emotional response election, on both sides.

Trying to label success/ failure of ideas, platforms and messages is foolhardy, IMO. Trump sucked every bit of oxygen up.... and succeeded in ramping up emotions to historic levels, both pro and anti Trump.

Attempting to foreshadow what comes next based upon 2020 is a losing game.
 
There was no policy debate, whatsoever, in this election cycle. It was a total emotional response election, on both sides.

Trying to label success/ failure of ideas, platforms and messages is foolhardy, IMO. Trump sucked every bit of oxygen up.... and succeeded in ramping up emotions to historic levels, both pro and anti Trump.

Attempting to foreshadow what comes next based upon 2020 is a losing game.

Nailed it.
 
I’ve always wondered why no one says this. These city folk are just as American as the folks who live in the sticks. Hell more Americans live on the Acela line than live in many red states combined.

 
Was "Defund the police" a Demo slogan or a Pub slogan to describe what Dems wanted knowing it would offend even Dems?

Agree the slogan "Demilitarize the police" would more resemble what both many Dems and Pubs really want.
It was a protest/BLM slogan in response to the George Floyd/Breonna Taylor shootings that Pubs picked up to define Democrats for the election cycle . . . .
 
I think there's a lot of interesting commentary on this thread. I don't think much of it really hits very close to what actually occurred.

There was no policy debate, whatsoever, in this election cycle. It was a total emotional response election, on both sides.

Trying to label success/ failure of ideas, platforms and messages is foolhardy, IMO. Trump sucked every bit of oxygen up.... and succeeded in ramping up emotions to historic levels, both pro and anti Trump.

Attempting to foreshadow what comes next based upon 2020 is a losing game.

That is somewhat true, but I think "Trump" is a vessel for those emotions. He did better with certain constituencies than a normal generic Republican. He did pretty well with Hispanics...not only in Florida, but there were some flips on the Texas border that were large. I think on a political spectrum that you are what I would consider a Romney/Ryan Republican. Reading the tea leaves, that wing of the party is probably going to have to sit down and wait for their policy preferences to become en vogue again.

The ground has shifted, people can talk Trump all they want, but about the same amount of the of the country agreed with whatever he was doing that you want to downplay as "not issues" as those who saw his behavior as a bridge too far. "America First" no matter what you think that means, does resonate with people. He did oversee an economy with the largest wage growth in decades. He oversaw record minority employment. He was first Republican in a long while that reached out to the black community in ways that the GOP normally does not. Justice reform and funding for HBCUs being two of those items.

The millenials are pulling the country left. That is reality. The GOP will have to adjust to the center economically or they are going to struggle in elections.
 
That is somewhat true, but I think "Trump" is a vessel for those emotions. He did better with certain constituencies than a normal generic Republican. He did pretty well with Hispanics...not only in Florida, but there were some flips on the Texas border that were large. I think on a political spectrum that you are what I would consider a Romney/Ryan Republican. Reading the tea leaves, that wing of the party is probably going to have to sit down and wait for their policy preferences to become en vogue again.

The ground has shifted, people can talk Trump all they want, but about the same amount of the of the country agreed with whatever he was doing that you want to downplay as "not issues" as those who saw his behavior as a bridge too far. "America First" no matter what you think that means, does resonate with people. He did oversee an economy with the largest wage growth in decades. He oversaw record minority employment. He was first Republican in a long while that reached out to the black community in ways that the GOP normally does not. Justice reform and funding for HBCUs being two of those items.

The millenials are pulling the country left. That is reality. The GOP will have to adjust to the center economically or they are going to struggle in elections.

1. There is no reason to believe rural Hispanics, especially men, without a college degree would have different preferences from their white counterparts. I’m not surprised that Trump got their votes. The Ds shouldn’t be surprised either. This is not going to be a monolithic group when it comes to voting.

2. I think you need to reckon with the fact that a lot of 70M wanted what Trump was selling. He didn’t create the Trump fan. They were out there and he was their guy. Let’s be honest, he sold and continues to sell a lot of ugliness.

3. Agree here. The younger generations are more diverse and open minded that the predominantly white boomers. They think the culture wars are stupid because in their minds those battles were decided long ago.
 
That is somewhat true, but I think "Trump" is a vessel for those emotions. He did better with certain constituencies than a normal generic Republican. He did pretty well with Hispanics...not only in Florida, but there were some flips on the Texas border that were large. I think on a political spectrum that you are what I would consider a Romney/Ryan Republican. Reading the tea leaves, that wing of the party is probably going to have to sit down and wait for their policy preferences to become en vogue again.

The ground has shifted, people can talk Trump all they want, but about the same amount of the of the country agreed with whatever he was doing that you want to downplay as "not issues" as those who saw his behavior as a bridge too far. "America First" no matter what you think that means, does resonate with people. He did oversee an economy with the largest wage growth in decades. He oversaw record minority employment. He was first Republican in a long while that reached out to the black community in ways that the GOP normally does not. Justice reform and funding for HBCUs being two of those items.

The millenials are pulling the country left. That is reality. The GOP will have to adjust to the center economically or they are going to struggle in elections.

I agree the ground has shifted....it started shifting prior to Trump...,.but he just accelerated it. Both parties are going to have to adjust to their voter base. They've now kind of stumbled into voter constituencies that create uncomfortable bedfellows. The question on the GOP side is who not named Trump is actually going to capture the Trump vote....that'll be a lot tougher than anyone thinks (much like it was with Dems/Obama). Someone can come out and repeat the same Trumpian talking points, but I rather doubt it will capture the imagination of his base.

Shorter point....was it really Trump's "policies" (as empty as they were) or was it just personality. My guess is that it's the latter.
 
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1. There is no reason to believe rural Hispanics, especially men, without a college degree would have different preferences from their white counterparts. I’m not surprised that Trump got their votes. The Ds shouldn’t be surprised either. This is not going to be a monolithic group when it comes to voting.

2. I think you need to reckon with the fact that a lot of 70M wanted what Trump was selling. He didn’t create the Trump fan. They were out there and he was their guy. Let’s be honest, he sold and continues to sell a lot of ugliness.

3. Agree here. The younger generations are more diverse and open minded that the predominantly white boomers. They think the culture wars are stupid because in their minds those battles were decided long ago.

On point 1, they have never voted similar before. There was a 50 point shift in areas from Clinton in 2016 to Trump. Respectfully, this is just head in the sand.

On point 2, yes, that is my argument. You call it ugly or whatever but to me it is an underrepresented or ignored sector of the population that lashed out. It is funny that kind of thing gets labeled as "ugly" when others lashing out is "justified rage". All due respect, from where I sit, the Biden campaign and many of the Biden voters were pretty damn ugly too. I know quite a few people who completely quit social media because of it. There are "shy" Trump voters in the suburbs who are "shy" specifically because their left leaning neighbors, who they generally get along with, turned into teeth gnashing assholes when Trump was brought up.

3. I don't think that is necessarily the case either when it comes to culture. The left people have a big megaphone in places like Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, etc. Remove the culture wars because I think the thing that does unify them is things like oppressive student debt which leads to them not progressing economically on a similar trajectory to their parents.
 
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Difficult to say.

If those ballots come into the U.S. through Mexico for secrecy reasons, they'll have to come through that three whole miles of big, beautiful wall that Trump personally built himself in only 3 1/2 years and made Mexico pay for.

That in itself will take a while, but additional time will be needed for Trump to lie about what really happened.
Very dumb.
 
That is somewhat true, but I think "Trump" is a vessel for those emotions. He did better with certain constituencies than a normal generic Republican. He did pretty well with Hispanics...not only in Florida, but there were some flips on the Texas border that were large. I think on a political spectrum that you are what I would consider a Romney/Ryan Republican. Reading the tea leaves, that wing of the party is probably going to have to sit down and wait for their policy preferences to become en vogue again.

The ground has shifted, people can talk Trump all they want, but about the same amount of the of the country agreed with whatever he was doing that you want to downplay as "not issues" as those who saw his behavior as a bridge too far. "America First" no matter what you think that means, does resonate with people. He did oversee an economy with the largest wage growth in decades. He oversaw record minority employment. He was first Republican in a long while that reached out to the black community in ways that the GOP normally does not. Justice reform and funding for HBCUs being two of those items.

The millenials are pulling the country left. That is reality. The GOP will have to adjust to the center economically or they are going to struggle in elections.

Populist movements ebb and flow in America. Jackson was a populist. Joe McCarthy made quite a name for himself under populism. The Democratic Party broke in 68 and 72 with Wallace populism. So far populism hasn't proven to have real staying power, it more has the ability to unite under some personality they find magnetic.

The Democrats have an interesting problem. For a generation, they were beaten over the head by Republicans as protectionist and anti-trade. So the Democratic party shifted somewhat and became free-trade. So the GOP says, "AHA, you can't trust free trade" and beats them over the head with that.

We will see if the populists can stay united this time.
 
Massive voter fraud.
Soon to be coming to a Federal courtroom near you.

Republicans committed voter fraud for senate and house?

If dems committed fraud, then would have won the senate too. Why split the ticket if you are trying to cheat?
 
I agree the ground has shifted....it started shifting prior to Trump...,.but he just accelerated it. Both parties are going to have to adjust to shift to adjust to their voter base. They've now kind of stumbled into voter constituencies that create uncomfortable bedfellows. The question on the GOP side is who not named Trump is actually going to capture the Trump vote....that'll be a lot tougher than anyone thinks (much like it was with Dems/Obama). Someone can come out and repeat the same Trumpian talking points, but I rather doubt it will capture the imagination of his base.

Shorter point....was it really Trump's "policies" (as empty as they were) or was it just personality. My guess is that it's the latter.

I think it was both. There are a bunch of people who sat out elections because they were not really fans of what the Democrats peddle but the GOP was not offering enough to get involved either. People who tend to be culturally conservative leaning but also not necessarily economically where Romney/Ryan are at. So I have an article that touches on some things that I think came into play with this group. I am not going to post link to it because I think people tend to just scoff based on who is writing the article, so the rest of the thoughts from here down are stolen from that article. If people would like a link to the whole thing, I can give that at a later point.




Today, the Right’s passion causes some confusion from the Left’s managerial class, as well as other figures in the “establishment.” The Right says the Left hates them, and the managerial Left and its moderate fellow travelers are perplexed.

They say, we don’t hate you, we only want what’s best for you. Are things so bad for you? And who are things really bad for?

The basic message is that they’re motivated by altruistic concern for the greater part of the community, especially those historically victimized by racism and other prejudice. Their noble motives are augmented by technocratic credentials and expertise. The only real victims of their system are bad people who deserve their lot.

For the rest of us, including those not quite on board, we’re treated with the same charity one reserves for a toddler who won’t eat his vegetables. Your desires and wants aren’t compelling concerns, even though our regime is supposed to be based on the “consent of the governed.” They’re obstacles to be overcome. In the elite’s self-conception, they’re altruists and capable experts fighting against obscurantism, evangelizing the rest of us with “evidence-based” solutions.

Thus, the conflation of disagreement with ignorance, the mania for censoring alternative views, and the talk of “unity” and “decorum.” Going along with the program is the fastest way to achieve the establishment’s promises of peace, harmony, and efficiency.

The government looks very different to those living and working outside of it. Those inside are often completely shielded from the consequences of their rules. They do not have to worry about layoffs, pay cuts, the cost of insurance, and other burdens on Americans who work in the embattled private sector. They think of government as the land of their friendly, well-paid, and mostly unstressed neighbors. What’s not to like?
But the rest of us, particularly in the middle rungs of society, get little in return. When the federal government shuts down, we wouldn’t know unless we read it in the papers. And we interface with it chiefly by paying taxes and dodging meddlesome inspectors and other forms of harassment.

There is a type of hate, perhaps more accurately called contempt, that manifests as extreme indifference. The individual “human engineering” of THX 1138 (Crazy edit: this is referring to a George Lucas movie mentioned earlier in the article that I cut out) is rivaled by the “social engineering” that runs roughshod over the expressed desires of those of us who haven’t asked for these radical and intrusive changes.

The examples are legion and go back many decades. One is the “bombing” of safe suburbs with some undesirable new institution, like a housing project or refugee resettlement facility. Of course, these won’t go up in Chevy Chase, Maryland or in the Hamptons; that would be silly . . . to say nothing of expensive. But they have to go somewhere, and what better place than some middle American backwater, like Minneapolis or Boise. If this means the schools become dangerous, property values go down, or your children aren’t safe on the streets, that’s just the price of progress. You’ll have to manage. (Crazy edit: I know the attack to this paragraph is going to be racism, but I believe it is classism. The idea that the ideas people are never forced to face the consequences of their ideas. They have walls, both figurative and literal, that protects them from things like this. Planned Parenthood is not in Carmel. Refugees do not get settled in Beverly Hills. Things like that.)

Obamacare had this feature, as well. It essentially was a Rube Goldberg contraption that ended up being a cross-subsidy for poor democratic constituencies from the pockets of the struggling middle classes. At the same time, the government workers’ and unions’ “Cadillac” insurance plans were left mostly untouched.

Gun control also has this feature. It is fundamentally a war against self-defense and self-sufficiency. It deprives ordinary people of the means of self-protection, but the government has no corresponding duty of protection. If things happen—like riots—that’s just life. The cruelty of this policy—pushed often by those with private security and gated communities—is only made worse through hostile plans to “defund the police.”

But nothing has illustrated the divide with greater clarity than the coronavirus hysteria. (Crazy edit, I cut some stuff about the effectiveness of the lockdowns to remove disagreements over that from the equation.)

It’s not GS-12s, congressmen, and public school teachers who had layoffs and pay-cuts from these “shutdowns.” They had, at worst, the modest burdens of working from home. They still got paid. They still maintained their identities and their titles.

It is the struggling waitresses and hairdressers and hotel desk clerks who have suffered. It’s the small business owners whose restaurants, stores, and gyms have gone belly-up. While the insiders piled up cash and whined about us all being in this together, the rest of us got $1,200—if we even got that.

One of the most striking aspects of late Soviet times was that the common people were not chiefly complaining about abstract freedom or a desire for more democracy. They complained about the obvious privileges of the party elite, the special stores and nicer apartments and the corruption with which they enhanced their lot, while that same elite preached the brotherhood of man. The common people also were repeatedly insulted by big and obvious lies, such as the scale of the war in Afghanistan or the Chernobyl disaster.

Much of the populist energy in our own country has the same feel. While the Bernie Sanders wing blames big business, the Trump wing is hostile to elites in both business and government. (Crazy edit to remove bomb throwing statement) But the impulse comes from the same place: a sense that we’re not all in this together, that we don’t have the same struggles, that we don’t have a voice or a means of changing anything within the system, that the policies that benefit those in power come at the expense of the rest of us, and that the people in charge fundamentally do not care about us.

The center-Left managerial elite don’t imagine themselves to be the party of hate. They believe themselves to be the party of progress, human rights, equality, and science. Even “love.” But their frequently expressed indifference to the fate of their fellow citizens echoes the hate-as-indifference so chillingly portrayed in science fiction dystopia.




Back to my thoughts, I think the psychology is right here for many of the voters that Trump attracted. I also think the writer saying center left is a bit off too. People like McConnell are not center left, but they suffer the same blind spots. After Ttump was elected, the first thing that got taken care of was corporate tax cuts. It got wrapped in with a tax cut for others, but the corporate piece is what really drove things. I think that a cut was needed, BUT, it also was a payoff to groups who have had nothing but payoffs in my 40ish year lifetime.

Sorry, out of time, but hopefully some stuff here to chew on. I tried to pull out the really over the top partisan statements to get to a more distilled version of the argument.
 
I think it was both. There are a bunch of people who sat out elections because they were not really fans of what the Democrats peddle but the GOP was not offering enough to get involved either. People who tend to be culturally conservative leaning but also not necessarily economically where Romney/Ryan are at. So I have an article that touches on some things that I think came into play with this group. I am not going to post link to it because I think people tend to just scoff based on who is writing the article, so the rest of the thoughts from here down are stolen from that article. If people would like a link to the whole thing, I can give that at a later point.




Today, the Right’s passion causes some confusion from the Left’s managerial class, as well as other figures in the “establishment.” The Right says the Left hates them, and the managerial Left and its moderate fellow travelers are perplexed.

They say, we don’t hate you, we only want what’s best for you. Are things so bad for you? And who are things really bad for?

The basic message is that they’re motivated by altruistic concern for the greater part of the community, especially those historically victimized by racism and other prejudice. Their noble motives are augmented by technocratic credentials and expertise. The only real victims of their system are bad people who deserve their lot.

For the rest of us, including those not quite on board, we’re treated with the same charity one reserves for a toddler who won’t eat his vegetables. Your desires and wants aren’t compelling concerns, even though our regime is supposed to be based on the “consent of the governed.” They’re obstacles to be overcome. In the elite’s self-conception, they’re altruists and capable experts fighting against obscurantism, evangelizing the rest of us with “evidence-based” solutions.

Thus, the conflation of disagreement with ignorance, the mania for censoring alternative views, and the talk of “unity” and “decorum.” Going along with the program is the fastest way to achieve the establishment’s promises of peace, harmony, and efficiency.

The government looks very different to those living and working outside of it. Those inside are often completely shielded from the consequences of their rules. They do not have to worry about layoffs, pay cuts, the cost of insurance, and other burdens on Americans who work in the embattled private sector. They think of government as the land of their friendly, well-paid, and mostly unstressed neighbors. What’s not to like?
But the rest of us, particularly in the middle rungs of society, get little in return. When the federal government shuts down, we wouldn’t know unless we read it in the papers. And we interface with it chiefly by paying taxes and dodging meddlesome inspectors and other forms of harassment.

There is a type of hate, perhaps more accurately called contempt, that manifests as extreme indifference. The individual “human engineering” of THX 1138 (Crazy edit: this is referring to a George Lucas movie mentioned earlier in the article that I cut out) is rivaled by the “social engineering” that runs roughshod over the expressed desires of those of us who haven’t asked for these radical and intrusive changes.

The examples are legion and go back many decades. One is the “bombing” of safe suburbs with some undesirable new institution, like a housing project or refugee resettlement facility. Of course, these won’t go up in Chevy Chase, Maryland or in the Hamptons; that would be silly . . . to say nothing of expensive. But they have to go somewhere, and what better place than some middle American backwater, like Minneapolis or Boise. If this means the schools become dangerous, property values go down, or your children aren’t safe on the streets, that’s just the price of progress. You’ll have to manage. (Crazy edit: I know the attack to this paragraph is going to be racism, but I believe it is classism. The idea that the ideas people are never forced to face the consequences of their ideas. They have walls, both figurative and literal, that protects them from things like this. Planned Parenthood is not in Carmel. Refugees do not get settled in Beverly Hills. Things like that.)

Obamacare had this feature, as well. It essentially was a Rube Goldberg contraption that ended up being a cross-subsidy for poor democratic constituencies from the pockets of the struggling middle classes. At the same time, the government workers’ and unions’ “Cadillac” insurance plans were left mostly untouched.

Gun control also has this feature. It is fundamentally a war against self-defense and self-sufficiency. It deprives ordinary people of the means of self-protection, but the government has no corresponding duty of protection. If things happen—like riots—that’s just life. The cruelty of this policy—pushed often by those with private security and gated communities—is only made worse through hostile plans to “defund the police.”

But nothing has illustrated the divide with greater clarity than the coronavirus hysteria. (Crazy edit, I cut some stuff about the effectiveness of the lockdowns to remove disagreements over that from the equation.)

It’s not GS-12s, congressmen, and public school teachers who had layoffs and pay-cuts from these “shutdowns.” They had, at worst, the modest burdens of working from home. They still got paid. They still maintained their identities and their titles.

It is the struggling waitresses and hairdressers and hotel desk clerks who have suffered. It’s the small business owners whose restaurants, stores, and gyms have gone belly-up. While the insiders piled up cash and whined about us all being in this together, the rest of us got $1,200—if we even got that.

One of the most striking aspects of late Soviet times was that the common people were not chiefly complaining about abstract freedom or a desire for more democracy. They complained about the obvious privileges of the party elite, the special stores and nicer apartments and the corruption with which they enhanced their lot, while that same elite preached the brotherhood of man. The common people also were repeatedly insulted by big and obvious lies, such as the scale of the war in Afghanistan or the Chernobyl disaster.

Much of the populist energy in our own country has the same feel. While the Bernie Sanders wing blames big business, the Trump wing is hostile to elites in both business and government. (Crazy edit to remove bomb throwing statement) But the impulse comes from the same place: a sense that we’re not all in this together, that we don’t have the same struggles, that we don’t have a voice or a means of changing anything within the system, that the policies that benefit those in power come at the expense of the rest of us, and that the people in charge fundamentally do not care about us.

The center-Left managerial elite don’t imagine themselves to be the party of hate. They believe themselves to be the party of progress, human rights, equality, and science. Even “love.” But their frequently expressed indifference to the fate of their fellow citizens echoes the hate-as-indifference so chillingly portrayed in science fiction dystopia.




Back to my thoughts, I think the psychology is right here for many of the voters that Trump attracted. I also think the writer saying center left is a bit off too. People like McConnell are not center left, but they suffer the same blind spots. After Ttump was elected, the first thing that got taken care of was corporate tax cuts. It got wrapped in with a tax cut for others, but the corporate piece is what really drove things. I think that a cut was needed, BUT, it also was a payoff to groups who have had nothing but payoffs in my 40ish year lifetime.

Sorry, out of time, but hopefully some stuff here to chew on. I tried to pull out the really over the top partisan statements to get to a more distilled version of the argument.

You mention waitresses, and you mention ACA. Almost no one in the food industry has employer based health insurance. You do not think waitresses benefitted from being able to buy on the exchanges? You do not think waitresses benefitted from having pre-existing conditions eliminated? You do not think waitresses under 25 benefitted from being able to stay on their parent's plan?

We could have funded the entire restaurant industry for a year for well under $800 billion. We could have guaranteed every restaurant paid every rent, we could have paid every salary. It wasn't liberals that would have said "hell no". I just don't understand how that part of the message doesn't get out.
 
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