Why Did The Dems Do So Bad In The Senate and House?

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Trump was the easiest target in history.

Why no negative coat-tails?

Republicans have 50 in the Senate already - likely 51, maybe 52 - which would be a zero gain or a -1 for Dems.

And in the House, the Dems are already down 8, with 5 still out and Republicans leading in 3 of those.

How could winning the White House from a 1-term Trump not produce better results in the Legisative branches?

This is NOT what was predicted.

So what gives?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Trump was the easiest target in history.

Why no negative coat-tails?

Republicans have 50 in the Senate already - likely 51, maybe 52 - which would be a zero gain or a -1 for Dems.

And in the House, the Dems are already down 8, with 5 still out and Republicans leading in 3 of those.

How could winning the White House from a 1-term Trump not produce better results in the Legisative branches?

This is NOT what was predicted.

So what gives?

Massive voter fraud.
Soon to be coming to a Federal courtroom near you.

 

[Cortez88]

Trump was the easiest target in history.

Why no negative coat-tails?

Republicans have 50 in the Senate already - likely 51, maybe 52 - which would be a zero gain or a -1 for Dems.

And in the House, the Dems are already down 8, with 5 still out and Republicans leading in 3 of those.

How could winning the White House from a 1-term Trump not produce better results in the Legisative branches?

This is NOT what was predicted.

So what gives?

Probably a few different things, but candidates still matter. The Ds, especially in the Senate races, ran some pretty vanilla candidates. Gideon, Greenfield and Heger just didn’t move the needle. I’m not as versed on the House races to really comment.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Massive voter fraud.
Soon to be coming to a Federal courtroom near you.

Somebody better buy Rudy a frcp then

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Don't

Trump was the easiest target in history.

Why no negative coat-tails?

Republicans have 50 in the Senate already - likely 51, maybe 52 - which would be a zero gain or a -1 for Dems.

And in the House, the Dems are already down 8, with 5 still out and Republicans leading in 3 of those.

How could winning the White House from a 1-term Trump not produce better results in the Legisative branches?

This is NOT what was predicted.

So what gives?

Don't those down ballot races generally trend away from the incumbent President? Are we supposed to believe that voters selected these house Republicans yet scratched their party leader for a nearly hapless placeholder and his replacement?
Sounds believable to no one.

 

[Sope Creek]

Don't
Don't those down ballot races generally trend away from the incumbent President? Are we supposed to believe that voters selected these house Republicans yet scratched their party leader for a nearly hapless placeholder and his replacement?
Sounds believable to no one.

During an off-year election, yes, down-ballot races typically trend away from the incumbent president. During presidential election years in which a sitting president is running, down-ballot races tend to get a boost from the incumbent . . . and I suspect that many of those races did get a boost from having a Republican president running for re-election . . .

. . . but Trump was just a bridge too far for many Republican voters, and so they split their tickets to vote GOP down-ballot, but either didn't vote at all or voted Biden for president. That you can't believe that is on you, Len, not on anybody else . . . .

 

[outside shooter]

The generally apolitically-minded American voters among us are not anti-GOP, but they are anti-asshole. So they voted against the asshole at the top, then split their votes for other choices.

 

[twenty02]

Don't
Don't those down ballot races generally trend away from the incumbent President? Are we supposed to believe that voters selected these house Republicans yet scratched their party leader for a nearly hapless placeholder and his replacement?
Sounds believable to no one.

Why? I voted for Biden + some Republicans down ballot. I know at least 6 people personally that (at least told me) they either voted Biden/ Libertarian/ or none of the above.. at the top of the ticket and voted straight R the rest of the ticket.

Trump lost Carmel and Fishers. Maybe Hamilton county is rigging elections for Democrats now too?




You should get out of your Jim Hoft bubble and talk to real people.

 

[Standard Issue]

Why? I voted for Biden + some Republicans down ballot. I know at least 6 people personally that (at least told me) they either voted Biden/ Libertarian/ or none of the above.. at the top of the ticket and voted straight R the rest of the ticket.

You should get out of your Jim Hoft bubble and talk to real people.

Get out of his bubble? I'm impressed he got out of his straitjacket.

 

[Harry Hondo]

What you people are forgetting here is the amount of independents that voted. Many likely voted for Biden then they voted for a mix of candidates down ballot. Why is that so hard to imagine?

There are fewer registered Republicans than independents for the first time ever

There are now more registered independents than Republicans, marking a first for the U.S.

thehill.com

 

[hoot1]

Actually the Republicans did well in many ways.

I credit their success to maintaining strong support in rural areas, astute gerrymandering, excellent generic ads for state and federal offices, good grass roots efforts and get out the vote campaigns, and just well organized good old fashioned politics in many areas across the country.

Unfortunately for Trump who, in spite of garnering more votes than in 2016, fell victim to a huge turnout to remove him. A good many Independents must have split their votes and voted for Biden along with down ballot Republicans. Dems who stayed home in 2016 thinking Hillary didn't need their vote got off their duffs.

 

[Ladoga]

During an off-year election, yes, down-ballot races typically trend away from the incumbent president. During presidential election years in which a sitting president is running, down-ballot races tend to get a boost from the incumbent . . . and I suspect that many of those races did get a boost from having a Republican president running for re-election . . .

. . . but Trump was just a bridge too far for many Republican voters, and so they split their tickets to vote GOP down-ballot, but either didn't vote at all or voted Biden for president. That you can't believe that is on you, Len, not on anybody else . . . .

The long heralded Cook Political Report listed 27 House races as "toss up". Republicans won every single one of the 27. Unanimity seems a bit beyond probability, eh?

 

[UncleMark]

The long heralded Cook Political Report listed 27 House races as "toss up". Republicans won every single one of the 27. Unanimity seems a bit beyond probability, eh?

Election Fraud!!!

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Election Fraud!!!

Stop the Steal!!!

 

[UncleMark]

Election Fraud!!!

Stop the Steal!!!

I don't think these replies are going to help our rankings.

 

[hoosboot]

I don't think these replies are going to help our rankings.

Am I too late?

If losing the election is inevitable, we just need to lay back and tuck in our shirts.

True patriots, meet me at The Ritz!

 

[zeke4ahs]

I think a lot of people think it’s best for the country to have a divided government. I might agree, were it not for Mitch. Speaking of those who say Biden won’t make it four years, I’m not sure what the odds of Mitch are. He’s looked really unhealthy.

 

[Noodle]

I think a lot of people think it’s best for the country to have a divided government. I might agree, were it not for Mitch. Speaking of those who say Biden won’t make it four years, I’m not sure what the odds of Mitch are. He’s looked really unhealthy.

He's looked really unhealthy for about 20 years now.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Trump was the easiest target in history.

Why no negative coat-tails?

Republicans have 50 in the Senate already - likely 51, maybe 52 - which would be a zero gain or a -1 for Dems.

And in the House, the Dems are already down 8, with 5 still out and Republicans leading in 3 of those.

How could winning the White House from a 1-term Trump not produce better results in the Legisative branches?

This is NOT what was predicted.

So what gives?

I don't think we need to read too much into this. Obviously, Trump underperformed other Republicans, and Biden overperformed other Democrats. That can only speak directly to the particular unpopularity of Trump. But the reason things happened the way they did in Congress seems pretty simple to me.

In the House, the Democrats lost ten traditionally Republican seats that they picked up in the 2018 Blue Wave, plus one seat (MN-7) that has long been one of the most conservative districts held by a Democrat in the country. So this election was really just a bit of a reversion to the mean. House candidates still picked more votes overall (although we don't know the margin yet, it should be in the range of 1-2 million, IIRC), and held more seats. It wasn't a feel-good blowout repudiation of the Republican party, but it was still a solid victory.

In the Senate, almost all of the races called so far seem to have fallen along the political leanings of each particular state, with the races in the purple states being especially close. The only real possibilities of a state breaking away from its traditional lean - Arizona, which already happened, and two possible seats in Georgia - all break in favor of the Democrats. So they did just as well as they should have in the Senate, and maybe even slightly better than expected, but it still might not have been enough to win the chamber. Such is life.

 

[IUJIM]

- There was a large anti-Trump group that split their ticket
- Biden won due primarily to those people voting against Trump, not for Biden
- A large percentage of those that voted against Trump still believe in the general concepts that Trump promoted i.e. Taxes, Immigration, Economic
- The country is still a center to slightly right-of-center country. The policies of the liberal wing of the Democratic party scare the bejesus out of them.
- A divided government has a history of working out well

I will add more later

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

- There was a large anti-Trump group that split their ticket
- Biden won due primarily to those people voting against Trump, not for Biden
- A large percentage of those that voted against Trump still believe in the general concepts that Trump promoted i.e. Taxes, Immigration, Economic
- The country is still a center to slightly right-of-center country. The policies of the liberal wing of the Democratic party scare the bejesus out of them.
- A divided government has a history of working out well

I will add more later

Take your time. It can't be easy asking 153 million people why they voted the way they did.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think a lot of people think it’s best for the country to have a divided government. I might agree, were it not for Mitch. Speaking of those who say Biden won’t make it four years, I’m not sure what the odds of Mitch are. He’s looked really unhealthy.

Did anyone say what his condition was a few months ago when he looked bruised all over?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Did anyone say what his condition was a few months ago when he looked bruised all over?

I think the technical medical term is "old."

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think the technical medical term is "old."

Yeah. Thin skin

 

[outside shooter]

much of the campaign was about stirring up hate

#1 most hate: POTUS
#2 most hate: "the squad"- the Democratic women of color

So if you vote to get rid of the POTUS and to minimize the control/power/influence of those brown women, then you get what we got.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Probably a few different things, but candidates still matter. The Ds, especially in the Senate races, ran some pretty vanilla candidates. Gideon, Greenfield and Heger just didn’t move the needle. I’m not as versed on the House races to really comment.

I think this is true on a number of levels. Where I live there are two republican state senators who were elected on the Trump coattails of 2016. At least one of them is an abject failure and a borderline embarrassment to state government, but the democrats that ran against them ran horrible campaigns, had crappy social media interaction and zero name recognition.

Couple that with democrats not really having rallies or giving stump speeches and it starts to paint a picture.

I feel like that could have been a microcosm of the macrocosm thing...

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Yeah. Thin skin

Did he catch it from stoll?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Did he catch it from stoll?

Hahahahahaha

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

The long heralded Cook Political Report listed 27 House races as "toss up". Republicans won every single one of the 27. Unanimity seems a bit beyond probability, eh?

Cook did his job.

 

[hoosboot]

Cook did his job.

Hey! I found some old home movies of Len and GreenIronBossierPromenade from a few "winter holidays" ago. 🤣

 

[Marvin the Martian]

In the theory of the simplest explanation is usually right, I submit the Democratic problem was that the Republicans received more votes. If the Democrats could have received more votes, they would have won. It isn't rocket science.

Part of the problem was the Democratic decision to ground the ground game. There was no massive door knocking/handshaking/baby-kissing operation by the Ds. So when people voted, they were more likely to vote against the President they didn't like and then for the person who came to their door (or had supporters come to the door).

I don't think that was everything. The GOP did a good job of scaring people compared to the Dems. But TV commercials are a terrible replacement for old school politics.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

During an off-year election, yes, down-ballot races typically trend away from the incumbent president. During presidential election years in which a sitting president is running, down-ballot races tend to get a boost from the incumbent . . . and I suspect that many of those races did get a boost from having a Republican president running for re-election . . .

. . . but Trump was just a bridge too far for many Republican voters, and so they split their tickets to vote GOP down-ballot, but either didn't vote at all or voted Biden for president. That you can't believe that is on you, Len, not on anybody else . . . .

That's a cool story, bruv...
It can be on me and maybe 80 million other voters who don't condone voter fraud. That works.

 

[Sope Creek]

That's a cool story, bruv...
It can be on me and maybe 80 million other voters who don't condone voter fraud. That works.

80? You don't count good.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

80? You don't count good.

Countin's not done.

But you knew that.

 

[Spartans9312]

Probably a few different things, but candidates still matter. The Ds, especially in the Senate races, ran some pretty vanilla candidates. Gideon, Greenfield and Heger just didn’t move the needle. I’m not as versed on the House races to really comment.

Those in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party are accusing their more moderate colleagues of being inept at running campaigns, while the relatively few centrist Dems are complaining about their progressive colleagues open embrace of socialism.

 

[Sope Creek]

Countin's not done.

But you knew that.

First one to 80 million wins, OK?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

First one to 80 million wins, OK?

How long does it take for Harris ballots to arrive from China?

 

[hoot1]

Those in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party are accusing their more moderate colleagues of being inept at running campaigns, while the relatively few centrist Dems are complaining about their progressive colleagues open embrace of socialism.

Relatively few centrist Dems?

According to the Pew polling, the Dems break down as follows,

Liberals outnumber moderates (38%) and conservatives (14%) as a share of Democratic voters. Yet combined, conservatives and moderates continue to make up about half of Democratic voters (51%).​

 

[hoosboot]

Relatively few centrist Dems?

According to the Pew polling, the Dems break down as follows,

Liberals outnumber moderates (38%) and conservatives (14%) as a share of Democratic voters. Yet combined, conservatives and moderates continue to make up about half of Democratic voters (51%).​

That's impossible, hoot. 51% isn't relatively few.

Oh, I see the problem. You cited a source that's part of the New World Order. Once you apply the Giuliani repair patch to those numbers you'll see that there's been massive fraud in that polling. Dems are like 40% liberal, 32.35% socialist, 25.20% communist, 2.15% lizard people, and 0.3% satanist.

I've been really surprised by the gains the lizard people have made vis-a-vis the satanists. The satantists really used to drive the party ideology.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

I don't think we need to read too much into this. Obviously, Trump underperformed other Republicans, and Biden overperformed other Democrats. That can only speak directly to the particular unpopularity of Trump. But the reason things happened the way they did in Congress seems pretty simple to me.

In the House, the Democrats lost ten traditionally Republican seats that they picked up in the 2018 Blue Wave, plus one seat (MN-7) that has long been one of the most conservative districts held by a Democrat in the country. So this election was really just a bit of a reversion to the mean. House candidates still picked more votes overall (although we don't know the margin yet, it should be in the range of 1-2 million, IIRC), and held more seats. It wasn't a feel-good blowout repudiation of the Republican party, but it was still a solid victory.

In the Senate, almost all of the races called so far seem to have fallen along the political leanings of each particular state, with the races in the purple states being especially close. The only real possibilities of a state breaking away from its traditional lean - Arizona, which already happened, and two possible seats in Georgia - all break in favor of the Democrats. So they did just as well as they should have in the Senate, and maybe even slightly better than expected, but it still might not have been enough to win the chamber. Such is life.

A few more "solid victories" like that and the Demoncrats will really be f***ed......