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US Dept of Energy on COVID: Lab Leak Most Likely Cause

"Until I hear this lab leak theory was legit from every proven partisan government agency or media source (I align with), I consider it undecided".
 
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You know why it's called Spanish Flu? I'm sure you do, of course, but I ask anyway, just because I think the answer is interesting.

We named viruses after where they originated for a long while, no?

We stopped that for what reason?

The botton line is that the "right" has been more or less correct about everything from the start. That pisses off a lot of those on left. Those that think government can solve problems, which outside of limited circumstances of things govt is good at (defense, social security) is a joke.
 
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Kiss my ass. It is because the WW1 ships transports sent troops home from Spanish ports. What does that have to do with the narrative. That is just your leftist ass trying to justify your past positions.
No, it's because Spain wasn't in the war, and wasn't censoring news about the illness.

I'm not bringing this up to justify anything, and whatever you think my past positions are, you are probably wrong.
 
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Wtf are you talking about?
The first case of Spanish Flu was in Kansas. It spread throughout several of the nations fighting the war. France was hit especially hard. But everyone kept it quiet because they were at war and didn't want the other side to know the flu was kicking their ass. Spain wasn't in the war, and was open about the epidemic, making it appear to most of the world that Spain was the epicenter.
 
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The first case of Spanish Flu was in Kansas. It spread throughout several of the nations fighting the war. France was hit especially hard. But everyone kept it quiet because they were at war and didn't want the other side to know the flu was kicking their ass. Spain wasn't in the war, and was open about the epidemic, making it appear to most of the world that Spain was the epicenter.
Correct.
 
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The first case of Spanish Flu was in Kansas. It spread throughout several of the nations fighting the war. France was hit especially hard. But everyone kept it quiet because they were at war and didn't want the other side to know the flu was kicking their ass. Spain wasn't in the war, and was open about the epidemic, making it appear to most of the world that Spain was the epicenter.

Ok. I'm fully aware of that story. It was bullshit.

What about modern times? West Nile, Zika, etc...
 
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What about them?

Don't fk around with me. They were named from their origin.

We know this was the Wuhan virus. It just is. Call things as they are.

And now seems more and more likely it was a lab leak situation. From a country that that is our largest geopolitical enemy. And the left in this country wants to kiss their ass and say, no big deal. God fkn forbid we name it after where it came from, and the trillions of dollars of economic damage it did.

better just not talk about it. Let's just move on

I can't figure if we're just afraid of offending someone or actually afraid of the Chinese.
 
No, it's because Spain wasn't in the war, and wasn't censoring news about the illness.

I'm not bringing this up to justify anything, and whatever you think my past positions are, you are probably wrong.
What does it mean that Spain wasn't in the war? Who censored the fact of the worldwide epidemic of 1918, 1919 and 1920? Wilson never mentioning the epidemic in any official statements isn't some conspiracy. As to I am wrong about you positions concerning Covid. I say our peers on this board and the entire written words stand in judgment. That is why I dislike deleting threads.
 
Don't fk around with me. They were named from their origin.

We know this was the Wuhan virus. It just is. Call things as they are.

And now seems more and more likely it was a lab leak situation. From a country that that is our largest geopolitical enemy. And the left in this country wants to kiss their ass and say, no big deal. God fkn forbid we name it after where it came from, and the trillions of dollars of economic damage it did.

better just not talk about it. Let's just move on

I can't figure if we're just afraid of offending someone or actually afraid of the Chinese.
I feel like you and Rock think I was playing some sort of game with my question. I wasn't. I just think it's interesting how the war situation affected how we thought of the Spanish flu.

I really don't care if you call SARS-Cov2 (or WTF it's technical name is) "Wuhan virus." I call it "Covid" or "Coronavirus" or "The Rona" because that's what everyone else calls it, and I believe in the importance of being clear, so I choose to use vocabulary that I can trust others will understand.
 
What does it mean that Spain wasn't in the war? Who censored the fact of the worldwide epidemic of 1918, 1919 and 1920? Wilson never mentioning the epidemic in any official statements isn't some conspiracy. As to I am wrong about you positions concerning Covid. I say our peers on this board and the entire written words stand in judgment. That is why I dislike deleting threads.
All the nations had the flu but refused to allow press coverage of it for fear the enemy would use it to their advantage. Spain had it, Spain was not in WW1 so they put it in their papers which were picked up around the world. The Spanish king died from it. So everyone called it the Spanish Flu. But it really happened everywhere and began in KS.
 
What does it mean that Spain wasn't in the war? Who censored the fact of the worldwide epidemic of 1918, 1919 and 1920? Wilson never mentioning the epidemic in any official statements isn't some conspiracy. As to I am wrong about you positions concerning Covid. I say our peers on this board and the entire written words stand in judgment. That is why I dislike deleting threads.
And I like being judged by my actual words, and not by what others might assume would be my words, just because they identify me as a member of a particular political group.
 
I want them telling what they believe is right. They disagree. Nothing wrong with that. If more had disagreed about entering Vietnam we would have been better off.
Different parts of government disagreeing with each other should be seen as a sign of a healthy democracy. You don't see a lot of intragovernmental disagreement in China or Russia.
 
I feel like you and Rock think I was playing some sort of game with my question. I wasn't. I just think it's interesting how the war situation affected how we thought of the Spanish flu.

I really don't care if you call SARS-Cov2 (or WTF it's technical name is) "Wuhan virus." I call it "Covid" or "Coronavirus" or "Rona" because that's what everyone else calls it, and I believe in the importance of being clear, so I choose to use vocabulary that I can trust others will understand.

What it's called at this point is irrelevant. It was a test warning for everyone .

Bottom line, buckle up, as the rest of our lives is gonna look a lot shittier than the years we grew up in. Everything I've seen points to a new arms race, and not always with conventional weapons
 
the rest of our lives is gonna look a lot shittier than the years we grew up in
I mean, that was probably going to happen, anyway. One day, you don't have to sit down just to put on the socks. The next day you do. One day, you drink for fun. The next day, you drink to maintain sanity. None of this shit is because of the times we live in.
 
All the nations had the flu but refused to allow press coverage of it for fear the enemy would use it to their advantage. Spain had it, Spain was not in WW1 so they put it in their papers which were picked up around the world. The Spanish king died from it. So everyone called it the Spanish Flu. But it really happened everywhere and began in KS.
I never knew my uncle Knox. He died when he was 6 in 1919.
 
Probably because Trump has a long history of xenophobic comments/actions/slurs.

Exactly the type of guy stoll thinks needs to be defended it seems
Hickory found a big word that starts with the letter X ,apparently he really likes it and has to use it in every message.
 
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What it's called at this point is irrelevant. It was a test warning for everyone .

Bottom line, buckle up, as the rest of our lives is gonna look a lot shittier than the years we grew up in. Everything I've seen points to a new arms race, and not always with conventional weapons
Aside from getting up more in the night to piss and aches and pains more evident I am often glad I have already lived as much of life as I did pre 2020, mid 50's so not that old.
 
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Don't fk around with me. They were named from their origin.

We know this was the Wuhan virus. It just is. Call things as they are.

And now seems more and more likely it was a lab leak situation. From a country that that is our largest geopolitical enemy. And the left in this country wants to kiss their ass and say, no big deal. God fkn forbid we name it after where it came from, and the trillions of dollars of economic damage it did.

better just not talk about it. Let's just move on

I can't figure if we're just afraid of offending someone or actually afraid of the Chinese.
It’s more about people on the left like goat engaging in semantics and arguments because the claims (many correct) were and are coming from the right. No one should be offended that it’s called the China virus or the Wuhan virus…
 
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It’s all tiring. It’s not that hard to remember the outcry from your side when Trump “restricted” travel.
Yeah, seemed to be a pretty big deal then, didn't it.

This board suffers from a lot of amnesia. It's almost like they were expressing faux outrage at the time because they really didn't give a shit about anything other than trashing Trump.
 
We named viruses after where they originated for a long while, no?

We stopped that for what reason?

The botton line is that the "right" has been more or less correct about everything from the start. That pisses off a lot of those on left. Those that think government can solve problems, which outside of limited circumstances of things govt is good at (defense, social security) is a joke.
Well damn! Look who got religion!
 
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No, it's because Spain wasn't in the war, and wasn't censoring news about the illness.

I'm not bringing this up to justify anything, and whatever you think my past positions are, you are probably wrong.
That's interesting. Link?
 
Different parts of government disagreeing with each other should be seen as a sign of a healthy democracy. You don't see a lot of intragovernmental disagreement in China or Russia.
You can't be serious. Can you imagine that many different opinions coming out of the Trump administration?

At least be honest about it.
 
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WTF does the CIA know about it? Other than lying and covering their ass since they know it came from there.

I wouldn't trust the CIA to tell the truth on anything.
I just wonder how much time and money has been spent investigating this. Seriously how does any sane person capable of a 6th grade education not able to see this was what happened from the start? I don't know exactly how close this lab was to the open air market but c'mon man it was pretty close and yet people found it easier to believe it came from a bat? Was it intentional? That is a harder one to ever prove but a 6th grade science field trip could've proved it came from the lab.
 
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I'm thinking of the scientists and people in science admin/politics who did so.



I'm not as sure as you that there weren't people on this site aping these claims. I don't feel like searching through those old posts, though.
 
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