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And the EU continues to be more aggressive and combative around all things regulation (medical device and pharmaceutical development - shout out to @inranger27 RIP, M&A, fundraising, compliance, employment law, etc.).



These are humbling times for Europe. The continent barely escaped recession late last year as the U.S. boomed. It is losing out to the U.S. on artificial intelligence, and to China on electric vehicles.

There is one field where the European Union still leads the world: regulation. Having set the standard on regulating mergers, carbon emissions, data privacy, and e-commerce competition, the EU now seeks to do the same on AI. In December it unveiled a sweeping draft law that bans certain types of AI, tightly regulates others, and imposes huge fines for violators. Its executive arm, the European Commission, might investigate Microsoft’s tie-up with OpenAI as potentially anticompetitive.

Never before has “America innovates, China replicates, Europe regulates” so aptly captured each region’s comparative advantage.


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For example, to preserve competition, European regulators have resisted mergers that leave just a handful of mobile phone carriers per market. As a result Europe now has 43 groups running 102 mobile operators serving a population of 474 million, while the U.S. has three major networks serving a population of 335 million, according to telecommunications consultant John Strand. China and India are even more concentrated.

European mobile customers as a result pay only about a third of what Americans do. But that’s why European carriers invest only half as much per customer and their networks are commensurately worse, Strand said: “Getting a 5G signal in Germany is like finding a Biden supporter at a Trump rally.” Putting European networks on a par with the U.S. would cost about $300 billion, he estimated.

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Of course, Europe’s economy underperforms for lots of reasons, from demographics to energy costs, not just regulation. And U.S. regulators aren’t exactly hands-off. Still, they tend to act on evidence of harm, whereas Europe’s will act on the mere possibility. This precautionary principle can throttle innovation in its cradle.

Starting in 2018, Europe’s General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR, imposed strict requirements on websites’ collection and use of personal data with fines of up to 4% of global sales. A study by University of Maryland economist Ginger Jin and two co-authors found this depressed European venture-capital investment relative to the U.S. over the next two years. Investors might have shunned business models that weren’t in compliance with, or less valuable because of, GDPR, they said.


History might be about to repeat with AI. Since 2021, AI-related venture-capital deals have raised $44 billion in Europe, roughly equal to China but just a quarter of the U.S., according to PitchBook, and the gap is growing. Last year Europe’s AI industry warned lawmakers their AI law could “lead to highly innovative companies moving their activities abroad [and] investors withdrawing their capital.”
 
And the EU continues to be more aggressive and combative around all things regulation (medical device and pharmaceutical development - shout out to @inranger27 RIP, M&A, fundraising, compliance, employment law, etc.).



These are humbling times for Europe. The continent barely escaped recession late last year as the U.S. boomed. It is losing out to the U.S. on artificial intelligence, and to China on electric vehicles.

There is one field where the European Union still leads the world: regulation. Having set the standard on regulating mergers, carbon emissions, data privacy, and e-commerce competition, the EU now seeks to do the same on AI. In December it unveiled a sweeping draft law that bans certain types of AI, tightly regulates others, and imposes huge fines for violators. Its executive arm, the European Commission, might investigate Microsoft’s tie-up with OpenAI as potentially anticompetitive.

Never before has “America innovates, China replicates, Europe regulates” so aptly captured each region’s comparative advantage.


....


For example, to preserve competition, European regulators have resisted mergers that leave just a handful of mobile phone carriers per market. As a result Europe now has 43 groups running 102 mobile operators serving a population of 474 million, while the U.S. has three major networks serving a population of 335 million, according to telecommunications consultant John Strand. China and India are even more concentrated.

European mobile customers as a result pay only about a third of what Americans do. But that’s why European carriers invest only half as much per customer and their networks are commensurately worse, Strand said: “Getting a 5G signal in Germany is like finding a Biden supporter at a Trump rally.” Putting European networks on a par with the U.S. would cost about $300 billion, he estimated.


...

Of course, Europe’s economy underperforms for lots of reasons, from demographics to energy costs, not just regulation. And U.S. regulators aren’t exactly hands-off. Still, they tend to act on evidence of harm, whereas Europe’s will act on the mere possibility. This precautionary principle can throttle innovation in its cradle.

Starting in 2018, Europe’s General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR, imposed strict requirements on websites’ collection and use of personal data with fines of up to 4% of global sales. A study by University of Maryland economist Ginger Jin and two co-authors found this depressed European venture-capital investment relative to the U.S. over the next two years. Investors might have shunned business models that weren’t in compliance with, or less valuable because of, GDPR, they said.


History might be about to repeat with AI. Since 2021, AI-related venture-capital deals have raised $44 billion in Europe, roughly equal to China but just a quarter of the U.S., according to PitchBook, and the gap is growing. Last year Europe’s AI industry warned lawmakers their AI law could “lead to highly innovative companies moving their activities abroad [and] investors withdrawing their capital.”
Wait. Does that article say as the US boomed? Because that’s sure not what the naysayers here have us believing. Their regulations do certainly seem to be leading to problems and restrictions.
 
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And the EU continues to be more aggressive and combative around all things regulation (medical device and pharmaceutical development - shout out to @inranger27 RIP, M&A, fundraising, compliance, employment law, etc.).



These are humbling times for Europe. The continent barely escaped recession late last year as the U.S. boomed. It is losing out to the U.S. on artificial intelligence, and to China on electric vehicles.

There is one field where the European Union still leads the world: regulation. Having set the standard on regulating mergers, carbon emissions, data privacy, and e-commerce competition, the EU now seeks to do the same on AI. In December it unveiled a sweeping draft law that bans certain types of AI, tightly regulates others, and imposes huge fines for violators. Its executive arm, the European Commission, might investigate Microsoft’s tie-up with OpenAI as potentially anticompetitive.

Never before has “America innovates, China replicates, Europe regulates” so aptly captured each region’s comparative advantage.


....


For example, to preserve competition, European regulators have resisted mergers that leave just a handful of mobile phone carriers per market. As a result Europe now has 43 groups running 102 mobile operators serving a population of 474 million, while the U.S. has three major networks serving a population of 335 million, according to telecommunications consultant John Strand. China and India are even more concentrated.

European mobile customers as a result pay only about a third of what Americans do. But that’s why European carriers invest only half as much per customer and their networks are commensurately worse, Strand said: “Getting a 5G signal in Germany is like finding a Biden supporter at a Trump rally.” Putting European networks on a par with the U.S. would cost about $300 billion, he estimated.


...

Of course, Europe’s economy underperforms for lots of reasons, from demographics to energy costs, not just regulation. And U.S. regulators aren’t exactly hands-off. Still, they tend to act on evidence of harm, whereas Europe’s will act on the mere possibility. This precautionary principle can throttle innovation in its cradle.

Starting in 2018, Europe’s General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR, imposed strict requirements on websites’ collection and use of personal data with fines of up to 4% of global sales. A study by University of Maryland economist Ginger Jin and two co-authors found this depressed European venture-capital investment relative to the U.S. over the next two years. Investors might have shunned business models that weren’t in compliance with, or less valuable because of, GDPR, they said.


History might be about to repeat with AI. Since 2021, AI-related venture-capital deals have raised $44 billion in Europe, roughly equal to China but just a quarter of the U.S., according to PitchBook, and the gap is growing. Last year Europe’s AI industry warned lawmakers their AI law could “lead to highly innovative companies moving their activities abroad [and] investors withdrawing their capital.”
Governments suck and ruin societies.
 
Wait. Does that article say as the US boomed? Because that’s sure not what the naysayers here have us believing. Their regulations do certainly seem to be leading to problems and restrictions.

Didn't we get a 3+ handle on Q4 last week? It's definitely better than every economist is forecasting.
 
Careful, McM will put you on Ignore for that kind of talk.
The economy is good but that doesn’t mean prices aren’t unnecessarily high. And remember Biden today is doing nothing. The less Biden does the better shape our country will be in going forward

In spite of Biden not because of Biden.

The man is the absolute worst and must go. His instincts are too bad. In everything
 
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And the EU continues to be more aggressive and combative around all things regulation (medical device and pharmaceutical development - shout out to @inranger27 RIP, M&A, fundraising, compliance, employment law, etc.).



These are humbling times for Europe. The continent barely escaped recession late last year as the U.S. boomed. It is losing out to the U.S. on artificial intelligence, and to China on electric vehicles.

There is one field where the European Union still leads the world: regulation. Having set the standard on regulating mergers, carbon emissions, data privacy, and e-commerce competition, the EU now seeks to do the same on AI. In December it unveiled a sweeping draft law that bans certain types of AI, tightly regulates others, and imposes huge fines for violators. Its executive arm, the European Commission, might investigate Microsoft’s tie-up with OpenAI as potentially anticompetitive.

Never before has “America innovates, China replicates, Europe regulates” so aptly captured each region’s comparative advantage.


....


For example, to preserve competition, European regulators have resisted mergers that leave just a handful of mobile phone carriers per market. As a result Europe now has 43 groups running 102 mobile operators serving a population of 474 million, while the U.S. has three major networks serving a population of 335 million, according to telecommunications consultant John Strand. China and India are even more concentrated.

European mobile customers as a result pay only about a third of what Americans do. But that’s why European carriers invest only half as much per customer and their networks are commensurately worse, Strand said: “Getting a 5G signal in Germany is like finding a Biden supporter at a Trump rally.” Putting European networks on a par with the U.S. would cost about $300 billion, he estimated.


...

Of course, Europe’s economy underperforms for lots of reasons, from demographics to energy costs, not just regulation. And U.S. regulators aren’t exactly hands-off. Still, they tend to act on evidence of harm, whereas Europe’s will act on the mere possibility. This precautionary principle can throttle innovation in its cradle.

Starting in 2018, Europe’s General Data Protection Regulation, or GDPR, imposed strict requirements on websites’ collection and use of personal data with fines of up to 4% of global sales. A study by University of Maryland economist Ginger Jin and two co-authors found this depressed European venture-capital investment relative to the U.S. over the next two years. Investors might have shunned business models that weren’t in compliance with, or less valuable because of, GDPR, they said.


History might be about to repeat with AI. Since 2021, AI-related venture-capital deals have raised $44 billion in Europe, roughly equal to China but just a quarter of the U.S., according to PitchBook, and the gap is growing. Last year Europe’s AI industry warned lawmakers their AI law could “lead to highly innovative companies moving their activities abroad [and] investors withdrawing their capital.”
It's NIMBY and divergent values. What one sees as "decline and problems" another might see as "healthy community culture."

Imagine there is a company that wants to build a large factory that will be ugly and pump out a bunch of pollution. It's looking at different communities in which it could place this factory. One community (let's randomly call it "China") might say, "We want those jobs, negative side effects be damned." Another community (say, "Europe") might say, "Jobs are great, but the factory will destroy this nice park we really like where we all hang out with our families. So thanks, but no thanks."

Obviously simplistic to a comical level, but the deeper point is that just because one community's values lead it to rate economic growth above all else doesn't mean all communities will feel the same way.
 
The economy is good but that doesn’t mean prices aren’t unnecessarily high. And remember Biden today is doing nothing. The less Biden does the better shape our country will be in going forward

In spite of Biden not because of Biden.

The man is the absolute worst and must go. His instincts are too bad. In everything
Wrong, Biden is the best president, ever. He may be the best world leader, ever. Hell he may be the best human being, ever. When he dies we should deify him and make statues, everywhere. Joe will soon be the most popular name regardless of pronoun. He's just that great and should probably be honored by calling him Joe the Great. He's earned it ..
 
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The economy is good but that doesn’t mean prices aren’t unnecessarily high. And remember Biden today is doing nothing. The less Biden does the better shape our country will be in going forward

In spite of Biden not because of Biden.

The man is the absolute worst and must go. His instincts are too bad. In everything
I wouldn’t call the economy good. We added around 800 billion in debt to grow the economy around 300 billion last quarter.
 
I wouldn’t call the economy good. We added around 800 billion in debt to grow the economy around 300 billion last quarter.
Yeah what is the gov percent of our gdp now? 40 percent? And jobs etc isn’t as rosy when you see how industry specific certain growth is.

Saw ups is cutting jobs. I guess giggitygoo must have audited a bunch of depts and streamlined. He’s like a young musk.
 
It's NIMBY and divergent values. What one sees as "decline and problems" another might see as "healthy community culture."

Imagine there is a company that wants to build a large factory that will be ugly and pump out a bunch of pollution. It's looking at different communities in which it could place this factory. One community (let's randomly call it "China") might say, "We want those jobs, negative side effects be damned." Another community (say, "Europe") might say, "Jobs are great, but the factory will destroy this nice park we really like where we all hang out with our families. So thanks, but no thanks."

Obviously simplistic to a comical level, but the deeper point is that just because one community's values lead it to rate economic growth above all else doesn't mean all communities will feel the same way.

I would agree with that on a circumstantial level, but across many different decisions that are detrimental to economic growth, it becomes problematic. If you consider the context (population decline, debt issues, labor and employment laws, etc.), the fact that Europe is growing so slowly relative to the U.S., should be very concerning for Europeans.

While U.S. debt to GDP is higher, growth helps provide flexibility and reduce problems. Europe's already had one crisis with the PIGS which was temporarily stemmed, but it is going to come back around, sooner than later.
 
Wrong, Biden is the best president, ever. He may be the best world leader, ever. Hell he may be the best human being, ever. When he dies we should deify him and make statues, everywhere. Joe will soon be the most popular name regardless of pronoun. He's just that great and should probably be honored by calling him Joe the Great. He's earned it ..
Cornpop’s family might come tear his statue down.
 
I would agree with that on a circumstantial level, but across many different decisions that are detrimental to economic growth, it becomes problematic. If you consider the context (population decline, debt issues, labor and employment laws, etc.), the fact that Europe is growing so slowly relative to the U.S., should be very concerning for Europeans.

While U.S. debt to GDP is higher, growth helps provide flexibility and reduce problems. Europe's already had one crisis with the PIGS which was temporarily stemmed, but it is going to come back around, sooner than later.
Why? Why should they care if they are growing slower? If you can't give an answer that doesn't boil down to "because they have less economic growth" then you've proved my point.
 
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Yeah what is the gov percent of our gdp now? 40 percent? And jobs etc isn’t as rosy when you see how industry specific certain growth is.

Saw ups is cutting jobs. I guess giggitygoo must have audited a bunch of depts and streamlined. He’s like a young musk.

Federal govt? It's about 23%
 
I have seen a definite slow down, especially the last few weeks. 2023 was a good year, but right now there is a doldrum in our industry.
 
Yeah what is the gov percent of our gdp now? 40 percent? And jobs etc isn’t as rosy when you see how industry specific certain growth is.

Saw ups is cutting jobs. I guess giggitygoo must have audited a bunch of depts and streamlined. He’s like a young musk.
They were a bunch of do nothings. “Warehouse layout consultants”, software sales employees. They’re still less disposable than the teamster drivers that took a 9 billion dollar chunk out of our margin this year.

A reckoning is due for Big Brown. Unions kill businesses. Every single time. So for moron’s that lament the death of good middle class union jobs, I would tell you to look at the state of the American auto industry.

We used to make the best cars in the world. Now we can’t even afford to. Because union contracts charge exorbitant prices for mediocre work.
 
It's NIMBY and divergent values. What one sees as "decline and problems" another might see as "healthy community culture."

Imagine there is a company that wants to build a large factory that will be ugly and pump out a bunch of pollution. It's looking at different communities in which it could place this factory. One community (let's randomly call it "China") might say, "We want those jobs, negative side effects be damned." Another community (say, "Europe") might say, "Jobs are great, but the factory will destroy this nice park we really like where we all hang out with our families. So thanks, but no thanks."

Obviously simplistic to a comical level, but the deeper point is that just because one community's values lead it to rate economic growth above all else doesn't mean all communities will feel the same way.
I think in your simplistic model you hit on the two extremes. China is more of the devil may care attitude on impacts outside of economic (or in reality power projection) while Europe is paternalistic to a fault. I think part of what keeps the US successful is that we generally have been able to strike a decent balance between all competing interests.
 
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Why? Why should they care if they are growing slower? If you can't give an answer that doesn't boil down to "because they have less economic growth" then you've proved my point.


When you add it in with other issues it leads to a decrease in the standard of living. Which, maybe they are okay with that. Slowed macro economic growth over a prolonged period of time will impact their buying power and decrease discretionary income in comparison to their peer economic competitors.

Extrapolate that out even more and you have some rather large entitlement systems in Europe that they have to fund. All the "universal" things they offer cost money.
 
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It’s time to look elsewhere for strong allies. Most of the EU is a collectivist shit show the types of which American Democrats would like to see implemented here.

Poland, India, Hungary, Russia, Argentina. Japan and Korea if they can get their birth rates up. These should be our new allies The western world is in a state of decadence and decay. We need to leave Europe and their crap behind.
 
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