Where do you stand on capital punishment?

[JamieDimonsBalls]

There's a recent story about China's execution of a father and mistress who threw two toddlers off a 15 story balcony, purposely. I personally think China got this one right, assuming the facts as reported are accurate. This is about as heinous and selfish as it gets. That being said, I've always supported the death penalty, among harsher punishment generally.

China executes couple who threw two children to deaths from 15th-floor apartment

Zhang Bo and Ye Chengchen had been found responsible for falls in Chongqing in case that caused national outrage

www.telegraph.co.uk

Do you agree with China's decision given the facts in the article? If not, do you support capital punishment under any other circumstances?

 

[UncleMark]

I'm against it in every circumstance. But if you're going to do it, then do public hangings on the town square.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I'm against it in every circumstance. But if you're going to do it, then do public hangings on the town square.

I appreciate that consistency. And your desire to have a little drama. I'll bring the beer if you bring the popcorn...

 

[UncleMark]

I appreciate that consistency. And your desire to have a little drama. I'll bring the beer if you bring the popcorn...

I'm serious. If the public is going to kill people, do it out in the open for all to see. Deterrence, baby.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I'm serious. If the public is going to kill people, do it out in the open for all to see. Deterrence, baby.

 

[Univee2]

There's a recent story about China's execution of a father and mistress who threw two toddlers off a 15 story balcony, purposely. I personally think China got this one right, assuming the facts as reported are accurate. This is about as heinous and selfish as it gets. That being said, I've always supported the death penalty, among harsher punishment generally.

China executes couple who threw two children to deaths from 15th-floor apartment

Zhang Bo and Ye Chengchen had been found responsible for falls in Chongqing in case that caused national outrage

www.telegraph.co.uk

Do you agree with China's decision given the facts in the article? If not, do you support capital punishment under any other circumstances?

I’m in favor of the death penalty for the worst, most-abhorrent murders. This qualifies.

That said, the possibility of an innocent person being executed bothers me and I thus would prefer life imprisonment without an opportunity for parole. The case would have to be absolutely clear cut before the imposition of the ultimate.

I wouldn’t mind a convicted murderer having the option of participating in human medical experimentation, where the risk of harm/death is present. Get something out of a wasted human life, something that could advance healthcare, science and medicine. Some ethical issues to be dealt with, but why not get something valuable, if possible?

 

[Baller23Boogie]

As long as their is clear cut, 100% proof that the perp did the crime, lets fry the bastard, but only to the worst of the worst.

With that being said, if there's any doubt whatsoever, no. There has been way to many people that have been put to death and then we come to find out that they were innocent in the first place.

That doesn't sit right with me. You can't reverse death, so we better be sure to get this sentence correct.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Abortions first...

 

[mcmurtry66]

Abortions first...

You’re alive

 

[Indyhorn]

I’m against it as we know there are examples of innocent folks executed by the state.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

I don’t trust any government , panel, judge, or human being if any kind to determine who should be out to death. I’m 100% against capital punishment. And unlike the vast majority of my liberal friends and foes, I’m 99.9% against elective abortion but recognize there are extenuating circumstances to consider in That issue

 

[twenty02]

There's a recent story about China's execution of a father and mistress who threw two toddlers off a 15 story balcony, purposely. I personally think China got this one right, assuming the facts as reported are accurate. This is about as heinous and selfish as it gets. That being said, I've always supported the death penalty, among harsher punishment generally.

China executes couple who threw two children to deaths from 15th-floor apartment

Zhang Bo and Ye Chengchen had been found responsible for falls in Chongqing in case that caused national outrage

www.telegraph.co.uk

Do you agree with China's decision given the facts in the article? If not, do you support capital punishment under any other circumstances?

I don't an issue with it, from a moral standpoint.

However I've become more opposed to it from a practical reason. In this country, the legal costs involved with carrying out a capital case are MUCH higher than the cost of a life in prison sentence.

Wasteful & Inefficient

Many believe that the death penalty is a cost-effective approach to justice. In reality, the death penalty’s complexity, length, and finality drive costs through the roof, making it much more expensive.

ejusa.org

 

[UncleMark]

I don't an issue with it, from a moral standpoint.

However I've become more opposed to it from a practical reason. In this country, the legal costs involved with carrying out a capital case are MUCH higher than the cost of a life in prison sentence.

Agree on the practical point.

See below regarding any moral qualms:

“It Was the Most Violent Thing I’ve Ever Seen”: Inside the Chamber for Alabama’s Experimental New Execution Technique

Kenny Smith’s death was “22 minutes of hell.”

slate.com

My understanding of the way it worked is that a mask was put over Kenny Smith’s face, and a lot of experts compared it to putting a plastic bag over someone’s head, just cutting off your access to oxygen.​

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Yeah, it was just absolutely horrific. I knew that it was going to be much more visceral than lethal injection. A lethal injection looks relatively peaceful because of the paralytic. There’s all sorts of interpretations about what actually happens after the paralytic.​

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With this, it looks like someone, like you said, has a bag over their head, and they’re suffocating to death. But an even better comparison is it looks like someone puts their hands around your neck and chokes you out with their bare hands, because that’s what the resistance looks like. I’ve said that it looked like a fish out of water, just on a dock, suffocating to death. But now I’m beginning to think it’s even more violent than that. It feels like it’s someone putting their hands around someone’s neck and choking them out. That’s how he moved, as if someone was physically killing him with their bare hands.​

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State officials had said ahead of time the nitrogen gas would make Kenny Smith unconscious within seconds.​

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Yes, they lied. There’s no other way to describe it. They lied. It was 22 minutes of hell. And it was the most violent thing I’ve ever seen. I was a trauma chaplain at a hospital for a year or so back in Fort Worth—motorcycle crashes, gunshot victims. And this was definitely the most violent thing I’ve ever seen.​

 

[DANC]

I'm serious. If the public is going to kill people, do it out in the open for all to see. Deterrence, baby.

For killing 2 children? I'll bring the rope.

 

[DANC]

Abortions first...

Welcome back

 

[DANC]

I don’t trust any government , panel, judge, or human being if any kind to determine who should be out to death. I’m 100% against capital punishment. And unlike the vast majority of my liberal friends and foes, I’m 99.9% against elective abortion but recognize there are extenuating circumstances to consider in That issue

At least you're consistent.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

At least you're consistent.

I try to be. I’m actually very conservative in my belief system but I’m against capital punishment and I think Trump is potentially the antiChrist (only half joking) so I don’t know where I belong anymore

 

[DANC]

Agree on the practical point.

See below regarding any moral qualms:

“It Was the Most Violent Thing I’ve Ever Seen”: Inside the Chamber for Alabama’s Experimental New Execution Technique

Kenny Smith’s death was “22 minutes of hell.”

slate.com

My understanding of the way it worked is that a mask was put over Kenny Smith’s face, and a lot of experts compared it to putting a plastic bag over someone’s head, just cutting off your access to oxygen.​

​

Yeah, it was just absolutely horrific. I knew that it was going to be much more visceral than lethal injection. A lethal injection looks relatively peaceful because of the paralytic. There’s all sorts of interpretations about what actually happens after the paralytic.​

​

With this, it looks like someone, like you said, has a bag over their head, and they’re suffocating to death. But an even better comparison is it looks like someone puts their hands around your neck and chokes you out with their bare hands, because that’s what the resistance looks like. I’ve said that it looked like a fish out of water, just on a dock, suffocating to death. But now I’m beginning to think it’s even more violent than that. It feels like it’s someone putting their hands around someone’s neck and choking them out. That’s how he moved, as if someone was physically killing him with their bare hands.​

​

State officials had said ahead of time the nitrogen gas would make Kenny Smith unconscious within seconds.​

​

Yes, they lied. There’s no other way to describe it. They lied. It was 22 minutes of hell. And it was the most violent thing I’ve ever seen. I was a trauma chaplain at a hospital for a year or so back in Fort Worth—motorcycle crashes, gunshot victims. And this was definitely the most violent thing I’ve ever seen.​

I don't understand why it's so hard to execute someone. We put people to sleep for operations all the time. Wouldn't it be humane to put them under and then deliver a lethal dose?

 

[DANC]

I try to be. I’m actually very conservative in my belief system but I’m against capital punishment and I think Trump is potentially the antiChrist (only half joking) so I don’t know where I belong anymore

That's OK. I think Biden IS the anti-Christ (not joking). But I can appreciate your stance on capital punishment. I can see both sides, but if there is absolute proof of a heinous crime, such as killing children, I don't have a problem with it.

 

[IUINSB]

I don't understand why it's so hard to execute someone. We put people to sleep for operations all the time. Wouldn't it be humane to put them under and then deliver a lethal dose?

If we are going to have executions, you have described the most humane way.

 

[UncleMark]

I don't understand why it's so hard to execute someone. We put people to sleep for operations all the time. Wouldn't it be humane to put them under and then deliver a lethal dose?

No kidding. I had a colonoscopy a short time ago. They pushed the syringe and I was out like a light immediately. They could have pushed another dose of fentanyl or something and been done with it.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Two wrongs NEVER make a right.

And murder is wrong.

I’m against it in EVERY circumstance.

 

[UncleMark]

Two wrongs NEVER make a right.

And murder is wrong.

I’m against it in EVERY circumstance.

Bravo. It's rare for a fervent anti-abortionist to be consistent when it comes to this. Much respect.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Agree on the practical point.

See below regarding any moral qualms:

“It Was the Most Violent Thing I’ve Ever Seen”: Inside the Chamber for Alabama’s Experimental New Execution Technique

Kenny Smith’s death was “22 minutes of hell.”

slate.com

My understanding of the way it worked is that a mask was put over Kenny Smith’s face, and a lot of experts compared it to putting a plastic bag over someone’s head, just cutting off your access to oxygen.​

​

Yeah, it was just absolutely horrific. I knew that it was going to be much more visceral than lethal injection. A lethal injection looks relatively peaceful because of the paralytic. There’s all sorts of interpretations about what actually happens after the paralytic.​

​

With this, it looks like someone, like you said, has a bag over their head, and they’re suffocating to death. But an even better comparison is it looks like someone puts their hands around your neck and chokes you out with their bare hands, because that’s what the resistance looks like. I’ve said that it looked like a fish out of water, just on a dock, suffocating to death. But now I’m beginning to think it’s even more violent than that. It feels like it’s someone putting their hands around someone’s neck and choking them out. That’s how he moved, as if someone was physically killing him with their bare hands.​

​

State officials had said ahead of time the nitrogen gas would make Kenny Smith unconscious within seconds.​

​

Yes, they lied. There’s no other way to describe it. They lied. It was 22 minutes of hell. And it was the most violent thing I’ve ever seen. I was a trauma chaplain at a hospital for a year or so back in Fort Worth—motorcycle crashes, gunshot victims. And this was definitely the most violent thing I’ve ever seen.​

So what is your moral qualm with killing a murderer? That he had to suffer? What about his victim(s)?

 

[Indyhorn]

Bravo. It's rare for a fervent anti-abortionist to be consistent when it comes to this. Much respect.

Devout Catholics are in opposition to both abortion and the death penalty- I find that consistent valuation of life. Unlike how the political parties come down on the two separate means of ending a human life.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I don't understand why it's so hard to execute someone. We put people to sleep for operations all the time. Wouldn't it be humane to put them under and then deliver a lethal dose?

Pain and suffering should be used an example for those that commit heinous acts. What's your issue with forcing a murderer or rapist to suffer, particularly since their victims likely did the same?

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Bravo. It's rare for a fervent anti-abortionist to be consistent when it comes to this. Much respect.

At least give me credit for being pro-death in the same vein

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Abortions first...

I'm team death

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

There's a recent story about China's execution of a father and mistress who threw two toddlers off a 15 story balcony, purposely. I personally think China got this one right, assuming the facts as reported are accurate. This is about as heinous and selfish as it gets. That being said, I've always supported the death penalty, among harsher punishment generally.

China executes couple who threw two children to deaths from 15th-floor apartment

Zhang Bo and Ye Chengchen had been found responsible for falls in Chongqing in case that caused national outrage

www.telegraph.co.uk

Do you agree with China's decision given the facts in the article? If not, do you support capital punishment under any other circumstances?

She's hot. Those kids never had a chance.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

She's hot. Those kids never had a chance.

I agree, she is attractive and pussy is undefeated.

But the kids man!

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I don't an issue with it, from a moral standpoint.

However I've become more opposed to it from a practical reason. In this country, the legal costs involved with carrying out a capital case are MUCH higher than the cost of a life in prison sentence.

Wasteful & Inefficient

Many believe that the death penalty is a cost-effective approach to justice. In reality, the death penalty’s complexity, length, and finality drive costs through the roof, making it much more expensive.

ejusa.org

I take exactly the opposite position. I find it morally untenable, but I do think it's socially useful for government to have the power to use it.

 

[Indyhorn]

So what is your moral qualm with killing a murderer? That he had to suffer? What about his victim(s)?

You seem to feel the state is unerring- you might google “innocent and put to death” Mr team Death- me I know the state has gotten it wrong according to testimony of judges, jurors, etc but then I am not team death- I’m team better knowledge makes a huge difference.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

You’re alive

Is igw dead?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Is igw dead?

I don't know. I hope not. There's been countless posts that would have sent him over the edge and he's been MIA. hopefully retired to a beach without wifi

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

So what is your moral qualm with killing a murderer? That he had to suffer? What about his victim(s)?

Roman's 12:19-21.

Or you might prefer
Deuteronomy 32:35

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Roman's 12:19-21.

Or you might prefer
Deuteronomy 32:35

I don’t bible

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

You seem to feel the state is unerring- you might google “innocent and put to death” Mr team Death- me I know the state has gotten it wrong according to testimony of judges, jurors, etc but then I am not team death- I’m team better knowledge makes a huge difference.

How about one that admits their crime?

 

[kurt cloverdales]

I think McMurty can be an idiot, but I don't want anyone to harm him.

 

[DANC]

Pain and suffering should be used an example for those that commit heinous acts. What's your issue with forcing a murderer or rapist to suffer, particularly since their victims likely did the same?

Me personally? None whatsoever. But it's a method to counter the argument that it's inhumane, causing suffering, etc.

 

[BradStevens]

She's hot. Those kids never had a chance.

I was thinking the same thing. She was a smoke show. And deserved to die for intentionally murdering children.