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You will never get @outside shooter to admit Fauci lied to the country. IMO he is more responsible for covid deaths than anyone else in this country. More and more scientists are standing up and calling out Fauci.
I don't think many people believe the release was intentional.
You are moving the goalposts. You were once a strident advocate that anyone who thought the source was possibly/likely a lab leak was a wacky conspirator. You remember, back in the days before we learned about of the internal doubt and debate among the Fauci's of the world?
You can admit you were wrong. Go ahead, it will make you feel better.
He didn't say science intentionally created the disease....you are so full of s***.
BTW, do you want to take this occasion to praise Trump for saving millions of lives by so aggressively pushing the creation of the vaccines? As I recall, your hero Fauci said it would take YEARS for an effective vaccine,
You mean the vaccine that is responsible for many more deaths than Covid?
Do you believe that because of his support of gain of function research, or because of how he handled the pandemic?
He's a liar and an egomaniac, and was wrong about the danger to children and adults, But....I don't see how he killed millions other than, possibly, his contribution to gain of function research. If that's where you're coming from , I get you, but I don't see how anything can be proven along those lines without the support of the Chinese.
I don't think we know the extent of the damages the vaccines caused. I don't know if or when we will know. But I've never disputed that they saved a lot of lives at the time. I never doubted the benefit/cost ratio for the elderly or vulnerable.
My specific point, re: shitter, is that he was a tremendous advocate of the vaccines. And there's 0 doubt in my mind that Trump's involvement helped them to get cranked out 1-3 years faster than some random political hack like a Biden or Harris. So I don't see why shitter's lips are not firmly pressed against Trump's ass.
You are flat-out lying. I will admit that I am wrong, when I am wrong.
From day 1, though, I have never said that a lab leak was impossible. I have said that the idea (which was in fact often expressed here) that it was a purposefully engineered bioweapon was exceedingly unlikely, and I explained why, very specifically.
I did link at least one scientific study (sort of "my thing") that gave evidence against a lab leak. The study tracked the location of people who were initially known to have been infected with the virus. The patients affected were clustered around the market, about 25 miles away from the virology center.
25 miles is a significant distance.
Let's say a virology lab was located in downtown Indy and that a virus outbreak occurred in Franklin, Indiana, 22 miles away, with 50 people infected there and none infected in downtown Indy. Would you think it more likely that the responsible virus was transmitted to a human in Franklin, or in Indy?
Of course I admit that it's possible that the Chinese faked all of the data on who was infected. Or that the infected virologist was in a plastic bubble and didn't breathe on anyone he worked with, before spreading his evil engineered germ in the wet market, to "get those evil Americans" in... well... in WUHAN?
I don’t think he killed millions. But he helped financed gain of function in the lab where the virus most likely came from which resulted in many deaths. He lied and as the go to scientist in the US he did a horrible job.
Fauci is on a book tour, and I heard him say in one of the interviews that the virus they were experimenting on in Wuhan with the gain of function stuff was so dissimilar to the SARS-Covid virus that it would have been essentially impossible for that virus to be "engineered" into Covid. FWIW. That was new (to me) info.
Ok, I got you.
Here's the way I look at it. He was remarkedly efficient in not only saving his own ass, but in demonizing his opposition. He was a master of the public relations game with the enthusiastic assistance of the MSM. When you look at it that way, he is a spectacular success.
Think about it....if he had actually been completely honest from the start there is a damn chance that he would have been seen as THE face of the pandemic. His life would have been over. He would have been fortunate to avoid criminal prosecution. To anyone that doubts that.....look at the Trump charges....bookkeeping and storage....Are you telling me they couldn't have come up with a few criminal charges against someone the public thought was responsible for millions of deaths? Hell, he STILL hasn't been charged with perjuryfor his lies to Congress, a nothing charge compared to the gravity of the situation.
So to anybody who routinely opines that 'honesty is the best policy' or that 'it's not the crime, but rather the coverup'.....consider the Fauci example.
I don’t know what you said personally. I wasn’t around here then. But the government and lib party line was that there was no f—-ing way COVID came from the lab in Wuhan, when anyone with a lick of common sense could solve that simple equation
That information was provided by NIH and Fauci in 2021.
Republicans Spin NIH Letter About Coronavirus Gain-of-Function Research - FactCheck.org
Republicans say a letter from a National Institutes of Health official is an admission that the agency funded so-called gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in China, with some falsely linking the work to the pandemic coronavirus. But the research, which the NIH maintains is not...
www.factcheck.org
"...The viruses used in the EcoHealth Alliance experiments share only around 80% of their genomes with SARS-CoV-2 — a huge difference when making these comparisons. Much more similar viruses that share 96% to 97% of their genomes with SARS-CoV-2 have been identified."
The grant application to EcoHealth and the experiments funded at Wuhan are no mystery. They are published, as are all funded grants, including my own.
The EcoHealth grant was reviewed in advance of funding by the NIH and validated to not violate accepted procedures, including enhancing mammalian transmission of a virus (a barred gain-of-function experiment, even long before COVID). Note: as I have mentioned, not all gain-of-function experiments are dangerous or banned. Some are absolutely necessary to discover drugs and to develop vaccines.
When the reckoning comes, and have no doubt, it is coming....
Mf'ers like 2104 will be held accountable.
And the powers that be will say “really? We had no clue”
I am talking to one specific poster right now.
After the 16th you have no moral standing to tell me anything.
So just to be clear, you're not instituting a new policy that posters can't accuse other posters of being in a cult. You are admittedly picking on one individual poster you personally don't like.
I'm not telling you what to do. Just trying to be helpful. You seemed to suggest it was no longer okay to accuse others of being in a cult, and I thought maybe you didn't realize how common it was.
I could make a list of posters in cults if that helps?
Noted. Not going to be able to get to it today but I put a reminder on my calendar
Why does it matter whether it was an intentional release or lab leak?
Once released, wouldn't we fight it the same way no matter how it was released?
It mattered within the context of the comment I was responding to. A lab leak is accidental. Putting it in HVAC systems to facilitate the spread is a purposeful act of war and would require different intervention.
June 16th. A day of sorrow and hate. The boards January 6th, but much much much worse.
Calling outside shooter a cultist is a compliment. He is just really really dumb.
That would be my ignore list. Which of course you should be on, but when I put you on it, half the threads disappear, since you have no life
I’m just engaging. In real life too. Hard for a guy with a lab coat and piss pits who gets put on the sidewalk to understand
Oh yeah, absolutely NOBODY on here ever said that China INTENTIONALLY unleashed this virus on the world. Nobody EVER linked nonsense like this:
Nobody named dmbhoosier would ever do such a thing! Oh wait...
indiana.forums.rivals.com
Nobody on here would have ever have been CRAZY enough to say that the bioweapon idea isn't crazy! Oh wait, not just crazy, but IUcrazy2...
indiana.forums.rivals.com
that same person wouldn't be CRAZY enough to link more nonsense, right? Like this..
https://archive.is/Z9qr2
Nobody named dmbhoosier would ever do such a thing! Oh wait...
US Dept of Energy on COVID: Lab Leak Most Likely Cause
Well, becasue... TRUMP! Covid was let loose on the World for one reason, to get rid of Trump! If you lost someone thank Nancy Pelosi!
indiana.forums.rivals.com
Nobody on here would have ever have been CRAZY enough to say that the bioweapon idea isn't crazy! Oh wait, not just crazy, but IUcrazy2...
Covid is over
So what's your point? Are you claiming malevolence? Incompetence? All of the above? My point is the world should be pissed in any regard. If it turns out to be lab leaked, the CCP should owe the world Trillions in damages. Or do you just want to blame the Chinks? You may want to take a...
indiana.forums.rivals.com
that same person wouldn't be CRAZY enough to link more nonsense, right? Like this..
https://archive.is/Z9qr2
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Especially since the Fauci haters are saying Fauci imposed/suggested too many precautions instead of saying he didn't impose/suggest enough precautions.
