Trump Party

[IUNorth]

A thought just hit me...maybe its been discussed here already?

What are the logistical, political, hurdles for this potential course of events?...

-Trump announces for 2024...already happened
-DeSantis announces for 2024...some point here fairly soon
-Republican infighting/Civil War, ending with it very apparent DeSantis will carry the nomination
-Trump will never admit a loss, so instead, he backs out and forms his own Party and runs unaffiliated

I would think this would ensure the Democratic candidate would win in 2024...but what about the long term effect to our entire system? Could he form an actual party? How long could it survive? Would it die without Trump?

I think we're in for some very, very interesting times in the next couple years. And at the risk of sounding very dramatic, I think our entire current political system, as we've known it since our country's founding, is in very serious peril.

Extra credit question...if this is in any way a real possibility, what are the odds all the Republican decision makers get together, and decide again that clinging to Trump is the party's only chance for survival right now?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

A thought just hit me...maybe its been discussed here already?

What are the logistical, political, hurdles for this potential course of events?...

-Trump announces for 2024...already happened
-DeSantis announces for 2024...some point here fairly soon
-Republican infighting/Civil War, ending with it very apparent DeSantis will carry the nomination
-Trump will never admit a loss, so instead, he backs out and forms his own Party and runs unaffiliated

I would think this would ensure the Democratic candidate would win in 2024...but what about the long term effect to our entire system? Could he form an actual party? How long could it survive? Would it die without Trump?

I think we're in for some very, very interesting times in the next couple years. And at the risk of sounding very dramatic, I think our entire current political system, as we've known it since our country's founding, is in very serious peril.

Extra credit question...if this is in any way a real possibility, what are the odds all the Republican decision makers get together, and decide again that clinging to Trump is the party's only chance for survival right now?

Your parody crashed at the point you posted '..apparent DeSantis will carry the nomination'....

DeSantis splitting from Trump and entering '24 election would likely destroy DeS political future.

Aggravating the overhyped schism would alienate a huge part of a political base DeSantis desperately needs downstream.

He can afford to stay above the fray, protecting his heir apparent status, building his financial base and continuing his administrative success and leadership.

Pence has likely been paid to be the wedge candidate in '24.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Your parody crashed at the point you posted '..apparent DeSantis will carry the nomination'....

DeSantis splitting from Trump and entering '24 election would likely destroy DeS political future.

Aggravating the overhyped schism would alienate a huge part of a political base DeSantis desperately needs downstream.

He can afford to stay above the fray, protecting his heir apparent status, building his financial base and continuing his administrative success and leadership.

Pence has likely been paid to be the wedge candidate in '24.

I think you are underestimating the amount of Trump fatigue people have. Even people who supported him at one point in time.

 

[Sope Creek]

A thought just hit me...maybe its been discussed here already?

What are the logistical, political, hurdles for this potential course of events?...

-Trump announces for 2024...already happened
-DeSantis announces for 2024...some point here fairly soon
-Republican infighting/Civil War, ending with it very apparent DeSantis will carry the nomination
-Trump will never admit a loss, so instead, he backs out and forms his own Party and runs unaffiliated

I would think this would ensure the Democratic candidate would win in 2024...but what about the long term effect to our entire system? Could he form an actual party? How long could it survive? Would it die without Trump?

I think we're in for some very, very interesting times in the next couple years. And at the risk of sounding very dramatic, I think our entire current political system, as we've known it since our country's founding, is in very serious peril.

Extra credit question...if this is in any way a real possibility, what are the odds all the Republican decision makers get together, and decide again that clinging to Trump is the party's only chance for survival right now?

Trump is done. Americans are tired of his schtick, and he's too old to run in 2024; so is Biden.

My guess? There'll be less of a civil war in the Republican party than you've surmised. The GOP will morph into something else, or die an ignominous death and be replaced by a party that has morphed from the GOP into something else.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Trump is done. Americans are tired of his schtick, and he's too old to run in 2024; so is Biden.

My guess? There'll be less of a civil war in the Republican party than you've surmised. The GOP will morph into something else, or die an ignominous death and be replaced by a party that has morphed from the GOP into something else.

I also can't see Trump launching a successful political party. I can see him launching a political party, but it'd go the way his football league, casinos, steaks, wines, university, social media platform and pretty much everything he touches - straight to shit.

 

[Sope Creek]

I also can't see Trump launching a successful political party. I can see him launching a political party, but it'd go the way his football league, casinos, steaks, wines, university, social media platform and pretty much everything he touches - straight to shit.

King Midas syndrome . . . .

 

[mrhighlife]

It still see Trump flags every where and have not seen a single DeSantis thing anywhere.

I think you all under estimate his loyal following and the primary process as it stands. Maybe the GOP will go back to a brokered convention. Only way I see Ronny surviving. He wont through a primary.

Why Trump Is Favored To Win The 2024 Republican Presidential Primary

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[Joe_Hoopsier]

There can be, and I assume there will be, a future where people still support Trump due to his policies and wanting to stick it to the massive machine that they feel was organized (cough FBI cough DOJ) against him. All while realizing that they need to vote some one with similar policies and approach, but the machine doesn't attack as hard.

 

[Ohio Guy]

There can be, and I assume there will be, a future where people still support Trump due to his policies and wanting to stick it to the massive machine that they feel was organized (cough FBI cough DOJ) against him. All while realizing that they need to vote some one with similar policies and approach, but the machine doesn't attack as hard.

I think the 'massive machine organized against him' part screams of conspiracy theories and victim-think. At what point do rational thinking adults come to the conclusion that Trump should put on his big boy pants and stop saying he's the most persecuted person in the history of politics?

That said, yeah, I think there will always be crazy QAnon folks who support Trump and call him 'my president' and go to his stupid rallies. Those people will keep donating to whatever BS he asks them to and keep the Trump coffers full the rest of his life.

 

[IUNorth]

Your parody crashed at the point you posted '..apparent DeSantis will carry the nomination'....

DeSantis splitting from Trump and entering '24 election would likely destroy DeS political future.

Aggravating the overhyped schism would alienate a huge part of a political base DeSantis desperately needs downstream.

He can afford to stay above the fray, protecting his heir apparent status, building his financial base and continuing his administrative success and leadership.

Pence has likely been paid to be the wedge candidate in '24.

I should have learned my lesson on this topic already...but it sure seems like the tide has finally shifted for "most republicans" away from Trump. He has his base, and maybe you're right, maybe that's big enough and powerful enough to carry to the nomination. I just don't see it though.

The last time he WWF'd his way to the nomination, he didn't have an opponent as loved, and as similar to himself, as he does now with DeSantis. So a good number of his tried and true methods won't be applicable this time. He also had a "clean" political record. And while I think for many, the positive things Trump did bring, and do, as POTUS will be a factor...it sure feels like the bad things, and then the results in the last 2 elections of those things, will hold more weight.

So if I'm right, and DeSantis does overtake him...then what? Trump is incapable of accepting that, we've seen it. What happens to the party if DeSantis does take it over soon?

 

[Cortez88]

I also can't see Trump launching a successful political party. I can see him launching a political party, but it'd go the way his football league, casinos, steaks, wines, university, social media platform and pretty much everything he touches - straight to shit.

Oh but I bet he’d bust his ass to raise money from the cult followers. He isn’t one to miss that opportunity.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I think the 'massive machine organized against him' part screams of conspiracy theories and victim-think. At what point do rational thinking adults come to the conclusion that Trump should put on his big boy pants and stop saying he's the most persecuted person in the history of politics?

That said, yeah, I think there will always be crazy QAnon folks who support Trump and call him 'my president' and go to his stupid rallies. Those people will keep donating to whatever BS he asks them to and keep the Trump coffers full the rest of his life.

Have been on this forum at all in the past five years? Victimhood is the core aspect of conservative identity.

 

[Farva2.0]

Have been on this forum at all in the past five years? Victimhood is the core aspect of conservative identity.

If Conservatives are claiming victim status it’s because progressives have made victimhood a badge of honor.

See: Smollett, Jussie

Hell Bidens entire economic philosophy is “The rich are keeping you down”. “This is the United States of America, there is nothing we can’t accomplish if we tax the rich enough and create a government program to solve for it”.

Conservative victimhood. My ass Goat. Get your house in order.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

If Conservatives are claiming victim status it’s because progressives have made victimhood a badge of honor.

See: Smollett, Jussie

Hell Bidens entire economic philosophy is “The rich are keeping you down”. “This is the United States of America, there is nothing we can’t accomplish if we tax the rich enough and create a government program to solve for it”.

Conservative victimhood. My ass Goat. Get your house in order.

There is a difference between playing the victim card and making it part of your political identity. Liberals don't complain that they are being constantly attacked and held down simply because they are liberals.

 

[iuwclurker]

Trump is done. Americans are tired of his schtick, and he's too old to run in 2024; so is Biden.

My guess? There'll be less of a civil war in the Republican party than you've surmised. The GOP will morph into something else, or die an ignominous death and be replaced by a party that has morphed from the GOP into something else.

Trump is a lonely, lonely soul. Among the various reasons people are listing for Trump declaring anew, there is one obvious and notable omission: Trump craves the ego boost and adulation from his thousands of adoring fans.

He will continue to campaign as long as thousands of people show up to his rallies. And he will continue to be a power broker at least that long as well. The Republicans definitely made a deal with the devil this time. It will be most entertaining to see how they deal with it.

 

[Bowlmania]

You guys are getting way ahead of yourselves here. Two years is a long way off for an obese 76 year-old man. Starting a new party? He might not be able to start his golf cart by then, assuming he hasn't already succumbed to a lifetime of Big Macs and fries.

 

[iuwclurker]

You guys are getting way ahead of yourselves here. Two years is a long way off for an obese 76 year-old man. Starting a new party? He might not be able to start his golf cart by then, assuming he hasn't already succumbed to a lifetime of Big Macs and fries.

I’m still insanely curious about what happens when he’s trying to cut into his Kentucky fried chicken with a knife and fork, the chicken rolls toward him, causing the fork to slide off the chicken and into his belly, popping his belly like an overblown balloon.

 

[SqueakyClean]

If Trump lost the primary and threatened to start his own party, Mitch McConnel would go nuclear on him. McConnel would personally call up every single conservative judge that is helping slow walk every one of Trump's current legal battles and tell them to fast-track it instead.

You do not mess with McConnel's party.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Oh but I bet he’d bust his ass to raise money from the cult followers. He isn’t one to miss that opportunity.

Definitely, without question he'll raise money for himself for something like this. They might end up adding a wing to Mar-a-lago soon.

It's like his PAC raising money for Herschel Walker, but only 10 cents of every dollar actually went to Herschel. It was almost like the grift/skimming off the top for him was an automatic, knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Definitely, without question he'll raise money for himself for something like this. They might end up adding a wing to Mar-a-lago soon.

It's like his PAC raising money for Herschel Walker, but only 10 cents of every dollar actually went to Herschel. It was almost like the grift/skimming off the top for him was an automatic, knee-jerk reaction.

I can not believe that something like this.............. Is suddenly a problem for the D's. Shocking!

 

[Ohio Guy]

If Trump lost the primary and threatened to start his own party, Mitch McConnel would go nuclear on him. McConnel would personally call up every single conservative judge that is helping slow walk every one of Trump's current legal battles and tell them to fast-track it instead.

You do not mess with McConnel's party.

McConnell might already be planning on doing that.

Trump got him his Supreme Court justices in his first term when there wasn't any other viable candidate to beat Hillary. DeSantis would be a much more palatable candidate that the GOP establishment would get behind.

Trump was a useful idiot who has used up his usefulness.

 

[twenty02]

It still see Trump flags every where and have not seen a single DeSantis thing anywhere.

I think you all under estimate his loyal following and the primary process as it stands. Maybe the GOP will go back to a brokered convention. Only way I see Ronny surviving. He wont through a primary.

Why Trump Is Favored To Win The 2024 Republican Presidential Primary

We don’t even know every result of 2022 yet, but the 2024 election has already begun. On Tuesday, former President Donald Trump announced that he would seek a s…

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[Ohio Guy]

I can not believe that something like this.............. Is suddenly a problem for the D's. Shocking!

What are you talking about? It's not a problem for Democrats at all - they're not the ones getting bilked by the Trump operation.

 

[mrhighlife]

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Most of those are national polls which are meaningless. The state by state primary polls is what you want to look at. It's good to see the ones you linked have an edge to Ronny. But others have an edge to Donny. Just one of them has a cult die hard following. The other doesnt. We shall see.

 

[IUNorth]

McConnell might already be planning on doing that.

Trump got him his Supreme Court justices in his first term when there wasn't any other viable candidate to beat Hillary. DeSantis would be a much more palatable candidate that the GOP establishment would get behind.

Trump was a useful idiot who has used up his usefulness.

This is kind of the crux of my question.

It feels like the "establishment" might be done with Trump, at this point.

But that's very different than Trump, and his faithful followers being done with Trump as a candidate.

What happens if DeSantis takes over, for real takes over.

I don't think traditional lines of thought that involve anything other than Trump burning everything down are open minded enough...given what we've seen from Trump and all our politics, since Trump became a thing.

 

[snarlcakes]

It still see Trump flags every where and have not seen a single DeSantis thing anywhere.

I think you all under estimate his loyal following and the primary process as it stands. Maybe the GOP will go back to a brokered convention. Only way I see Ronny surviving. He wont through a primary.

Why Trump Is Favored To Win The 2024 Republican Presidential Primary

We don’t even know every result of 2022 yet, but the 2024 election has already begun. On Tuesday, former President Donald Trump announced that he would seek a s…

fivethirtyeight.com

If Ronny wins, do you think he can beat Joey? How about Donny? Lol….omg….#sofunny

 

[BCCHoosier]

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The craziest name on that list of candidates is Trump jr. Who the heck are the people that want that?

 

[Farva2.0]

The craziest name on that list of candidates is Trump jr. Who the heck are the people that want that?

I need to get inside the brain of the person who would prefer Don Jr. to not only just Trump, but the entire Republican field. That is an interesting person.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I should have learned my lesson on this topic already...but it sure seems like the tide has finally shifted for "most republicans" away from Trump. He has his base, and maybe you're right, maybe that's big enough and powerful enough to carry to the nomination. I just don't see it though.

The last time he WWF'd his way to the nomination, he didn't have an opponent as loved, and as similar to himself, as he does now with DeSantis. So a good number of his tried and true methods won't be applicable this time. He also had a "clean" political record. And while I think for many, the positive things Trump did bring, and do, as POTUS will be a factor...it sure feels like the bad things, and then the results in the last 2 elections of

I should have learned my lesson on this topic already...but it sure seems like the tide has finally shifted for "most republicans" away from Trump. He has his base, and maybe you're right, maybe that's big enough and powerful enough to carry to the nomination. I just don't see it though.

The last time he WWF'd his way to the nomination, he didn't have an opponent as loved, and as similar to himself, as he does now with DeSantis. So a good number of his tried and true methods won't be applicable this time. He also had a "clean" political record. And while I think for many, the positive things Trump did bring, and do, as POTUS will be a factor...it sure feels like the bad things, and then the results in the last 2 elections of those things, will hold more weight.

So if I'm right, and DeSantis does overtake him...then what? Trump is incapable of accepting that, we've seen it. What happens to the party if DeSantis does take it over soon?

DeSantis CANNOT WIN without Trump's base.
'24, 28, ad infinitum.

DeSantis has a State to run and could consolidate his strength in the Southeast.

Trump's base will reward DeSantis many times over.

 

[SqueakyClean]

I need to get inside the brain of the person who would prefer Don Jr. to not only just Trump, but the entire Republican field. That is an interesting person.

No reasonable person wants that. It is a "I want to see the Libs head explode" kind-of-suggestion.

 

[twenty02]

DeSantis CANNOT WIN without Trump's base.
'24, 28, ad infinitum.

DeSantis has a State to run and could consolidate his strength in the Southeast.

Trump's base will reward DeSantis many times over.

Well, Trump can't win.... period. So what, then?

DeSantis is 100% running, so might as well come to grips with it. Don is dead.

 

[BigDoggyDogDude]

DeSantis CANNOT WIN without Trump's base.
'24, 28, ad infinitum.

DeSantis has a State to run and could consolidate his strength in the Southeast.

Trump's base will reward DeSantis many times over.

This seems to be a common belief. If DeSantis wins the primary Trump will just tell his base to stay home and then DeSantis can forget about the general. It does have some merit I suppose. Who was the last person to lose their parties presidential primary and then tell their supporters to stay home or vote for the other party in the general? I can't think of one.

Perhaps DeSantis could offset that loss with independents and never Trumper's (real never Trumpers not Lincoln Project grifters), but that does seem to be a small margin for error.

I don't think it behooves DeSantis to run as a return to normalcy or simply Republican establishment. Trump grew the size of the pie with the populist voters he brought into the fold and I think it would be fool hardy to leave all of them behind.

 

[BigDoggyDogDude]

There is a difference between playing the victim card and making it part of your political identity. Liberals don't complain that they are being constantly attacked and held down simply because they are liberals.

Splitting hairs. It may not be because of their political affiliation but they'll attribute it to their gender, skin color, pro nouns, etc. I don't see how it's any less egregious.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Splitting hairs. It may not be because of their political affiliation but they'll attribute it to their gender, skin color, pro nouns, etc. I don't see how it's any less egregious.

I didn't say it was. But my original post that you took issue with was specifically talking about victimhood as political identity, and that's a you guys problem.

 

[twenty02]

This seems to be a common belief. If DeSantis wins the primary Trump will just tell his base to stay home and then DeSantis can forget about the general. It does have some merit I suppose. Who was the last person to lose their parties presidential primary and then tell their supporters to stay home or vote for the other party in the general? I can't think of one.

Perhaps DeSantis could offset that loss with independents and never Trumper's (real never Trumpers not Lincoln Project grifters), but that does seem to be a small margin for error.

I don't think it behooves DeSantis to run as a return to normalcy or simply Republican establishment. Trump grew the size of the pie with the populist voters he brought into the fold and I think it would be fool hardy to leave all of them behind.

There is absolutely zero evidence of there being some hard-core loyal Trump base that will refuse to show up and vote for another Republican in a general election. Romney got a larger percentage (47.2%) of the vote in 2012 than Trump received in 2016 (46.1%).

We do have plenty of evidence that non-Trumpy GOP candidates outperform Trumpy ones in general elections since 2016... and that whatever narrow coalition Trump pulled together for the miracle win in 2016 in pockets of PA, MI, WI.... have left him and aren't coming back.

 

[DANC]

I think you are underestimating the amount of Trump fatigue people have. Even people who supported him at one point in time.

Possibly. But I think many people underestimate how many Trump supporters there still are.

As I posted earlier, if Desants runs against Trump, it's political suicide for both. Desantis can't win without Trump supporter votes and I doubt Trump could win if beating Desantis in the primary pisses off Desantis' supporters.

Best to let Trump be Trump and come what may in '24. Desantis can be the savior in '28, no matter who wins in '24.

 

[DANC]

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Yeah, the 2022 election showed those polls are really accurate!

 

[DANC]

What are you talking about? It's not a problem for Democrats at all - they're not the ones getting bilked by the Trump operation.

Poor Ohio Guy. FTX probably isn't mentioned on MSNBC.

 

[twenty02]

Yeah, the 2022 election showed those polls are really accurate!

How about the betting public?

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[Joe_Hoopsier]

Possibly. But I think many people underestimate how many Trump supporters there still are.

As I posted earlier, if Desants runs against Trump, it's political suicide for both. Desantis can't win without Trump supporter votes and I doubt Trump could win if beating Desantis in the primary pisses off Desantis' supporters.

Best to let Trump be Trump and come what may in '24. Desantis can be the savior in '28, no matter who wins in '24.

SO now Trump has had 2 yrs to build alliances and operatives to expose the swamp even more. DC has proven that $ and secure lifestyles cause people to suddenly remember things that they witnessed in the past. Does Trump have the goods, even if he gets beat, to shine the light to ALL of us, of our corrupt DC, and then 1) he goes down, 2) we all come together to control our "controllers" as it was intended to be.. He said initially that he would drain the swamp.

Nany Pelosi in an Urn is a pretty good start.


Yea I know that is deleat worthy, but a few will see it and I have it screen shotted.