And for the record, conceding that Archie is already a failure after 2 years with no chance of improving isn't criticism. It's nothing more than an opinion. I have no problem with those who are critical of Archie's coaching tactics but to see he can't or won't ever get better past the age of 40 is lunacy. That isn't being critical, that is being obtuse. There is a difference. You and FPeaugh are in a league of your own.
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And for the record, conceding that Archie is already a failure after 2 years with no chance of improving isn't criticism. It's nothing more than an opinion. I have no problem with those who are critical of Archie's coaching tactics but to see he can't or won't ever get better past the age of 40 is lunacy. That isn't being critical, that is being obtuse. There is a difference. You and FPeaugh are in a league of your own.
Where did I say they should do that? Your argument falls apart every time you make stuff up. I realize you have no other recourse, however. But that’s have no doubt you made the same argument about retaining Crean.
And yet again, you attribute things to me that I’ve never said. It’s a common tactic of the ignorant, which you obviously are. Mediocrity is your comfort food. Go get another plate.
I never made any argument about Crean because I didn't post here when Crean was the coach. And he should have been gone after the 13-14 season with Vonleh.
Since you’re so willing to make up things and attribute them to me, there’s no reason to believe any of what you say about Crean. Like I said, mediocrity is your comfort food, and the buffet never closes. Enjoy!
ya, giving a coach who did what Archie did at Dayton more than 2 years before losing your shit is really lapping up mediocrity. beyond dumb.
Yet you’re the one who makes things up, as you undoubtedly know. Your posts make it obvious you know little of the history of IU basketball, and it’s equally obvious you’ve never seen the program as an elite one. Your credibility is zero, troll, but you’re certainly in the majority here.
Who claimed he shouldn’t have more than two years? You get dumber with every post. Ever wonder why you and the pumpers always have to make stuff up to advance your arguments? Doesn’t it ever occur to you that you’re immediately invalidated when you do that? It’s no different than when you posted about the NCAA and KU. You had no idea what you were talking about so you simply made something up, then tried to backfill rather than admit you were FOS. Doesn’t it get old doing that?
You could have just said Romeo is gone from our team instead of "whatever intangible"
. I was at the Maryland game, right behind the IU bench, could hear Archie word for word in the early time outs. The problem in that game was a lot do to the crowd, and Maryland playing to the crowd while we folded.
Usually do to people working late and traffic, the crowd is almost always very late on week day games at Maryland. Friday at 7, that game was very late filling up. The crowd was non existent in the majority of the 1st half and you could hear my dumbass (got in a few shouting matches with some Maryland fans) from across the court. Then it became very lively very quick. Beer flows at Maryland as well.
We looked like our effort level just disappeared that game, with our Indiana savior leading the way with his patented O face. Mind boggling some one can show no emotion like him. That shit is contagious especially with 18-22 year olds that are finding themselves as men. Thankfully, that cancer is now gone. Thank god.
You could have just said Romeo is gone from our team instead of "whatever intangible"
I was at the Maryland game, right behind the IU bench, could hear Archie word for word in the early time outs. The problem in that game was a lot do to the crowd, and Maryland playing to the crowd while we folded.
Usually do to people working late and traffic, the crowd is almost always very late on week day games at Maryland. Friday at 7, that game was very late filling up. The crowd was non existent in the majority of the 1st half and you could hear my dumbass (got in a few shouting matches with some Maryland fans) from across the court. Then it became very lively very quick. Beer flows at Maryland as well.
We looked like our effort level just disappeared that game, with our Indiana savior leading the way with his patented O face. Mind boggling some one can show no emotion like him. That shit is contagious especially with 18-22 year olds that are finding themselves as men. Thankfully, that cancer is now gone. Thank god.
We talking about the Maryland game where Romeo was 8-14 from the field, 3-6 from the 3 and 9-9 from the Free Throw line and scored 28 points? Surely you weren't at that game or else you wouldn't have posted something so dumb.
That game flipped when Justin Smith picked up his 4th foul early in the second half who was actually doing a decent job of keeping Maryland's bigs off the boards. Maryland had an astonishing rebound advantage in the second half primarily due to Smith being on the bench and Morgan being absolutely gassed. It was the game Davis re-injured himself and was effectively shut down for a few weeks after and Fitzner played almost 20 minutes. A recipe for disaster against one of the best rebounding teams in the county. Your disdain for Romeo has prevented you from being objective.
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‘The NCAA will be punishing KU soon - before they make any allegations’. You actually said this, yet you wonder why you’re ridiculed here. Please go away.
You could have just said Romeo is gone from our team instead of "whatever intangible"
I was at the Maryland game, right behind the IU bench, could hear Archie word for word in the early time outs. The problem in that game was a lot do to the crowd, and Maryland playing to the crowd while we folded.
Usually do to people working late and traffic, the crowd is almost always very late on week day games at Maryland. Friday at 7, that game was very late filling up. The crowd was non existent in the majority of the 1st half and you could hear my dumbass (got in a few shouting matches with some Maryland fans) from across the court. Then it became very lively very quick. Beer flows at Maryland as well.
We looked like our effort level just disappeared that game, with our Indiana savior leading the way with his patented O face. Mind boggling some one can show no emotion like him. That shit is contagious especially with 18-22 year olds that are finding themselves as men. Thankfully, that cancer is now gone. Thank god.
The Maryland game was one of Romeo's best games. He wasn't a cancer. Quit calling the kid a cancer. Unlike you he actually attended IU.
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So, when you say something that’s blatantly false, you excuse it by saying it’s a matter of “semantics”. How convenient, though it explains your posts.
I agree. It was a disappointing that the team was as fragile and soft as it was. We were 12-2 at one point but could have easily been something like 8-6, with losses to some crappy teams.
We were young, soft, undersized and pretty stagnant offensively which is a huge debate. How talented were we really?
Archie's Dayton teams were known as tough. Sean Miller's teams at Xavier and Arizona have always been known as tough.
When a soft team meets adversity, it tends to fold. Which we definitely did. Was that a confidence issue, an injury issue, a chemistry issue, an experience issue? I believe it's all of the above, which has been my stand of the post you replied to (while agreeing with you).
It was not a good season for Archie. Every coach has disappointing seasons, even Knight. I argue that it wasn't as disappointing as gets pushed here because his program is still evolving and was simply on the green side (and unfortunate side with injuries).
I've been watching Arizona games this summer and it seems to me like they run almost the exact same style offensively and defensively. Sean's teams are typically led by tough, experienced players like Tarczewski, Ashley, McConnell, Alonzo Trier, Johnson, Gabe York and then lately he's been getting a one and done like Johnson and Ayton (with Ayton being his first #1 pick on a team that disappointed to be honest).
When Arizona was good, it was mainly upperclassmen that played tremendous defense.
That's their brand and we're not quite there yet which is why I'm still optimistic.
While we've been bitching about the lack of one and dones, Archie has turned the roster over with as many four star multi year talent, from Indiana since we've had since the Zeller teams and soon to be since the 93 team and that's something that keeps me optimistic for now.
Actually they weren’t. Romeo and Morgan played nearly every game. During the meltdown we had almost everyone. You can’t explain it with injuries unfortunately.
A couple of quick thoughts.
I am a big believer in the importance of intangibles in sports. Especially when we are talking about college athletes and not 30 year old pros. Last year the BIG10 was pretty tough. Alas, we are going on 20 years with no National Titles for our conference, but last year it was pretty solid from top to bottom. So, each game was a fairly decent test. Plenty of those games were narrow margins, and a team needs to learn how to win. I am optimistic that:
1. This Yr we will be better at winning the close ones
2. The adversity that our players went through last year will benefit them
3. We are not going into the season cocky, but rather with a chip on our shoulder.
With the conference looking weaker, and the intangibles pointing in the right direction, I am not afraid to be bullish. Throw in the fact that I can't remember the last time IU vastly exceeded expectations. We are due. I expected Miller to routinely do more with less talent, and we have a solid blend of talent and experience.
Arizona. My best friend is a 'Zona fan and we go way back. Let's just say that he's not a Sean Miller fan, and hasn't been for few years. This isn't a result of the probe (he has felt this way long before that), it's just that he thinks he'll never do anything in the tournament. I suppose as IU fans we can't have much sympathy for fans that watch their program rack up 30 wins every year but get upset in the NCAA's. Still, I am just passing along what my friend, a die hard CBB and "Zona fan thinks.
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We landed 2 guys outside the top 100. Iowa wouldn’t even celebrate that. They’re probably great kids but we haven’t received a commitment from a major impact recruit since the beginning of last season. That’s horrible.
*almost, except
-Hunter didn't play a minute
-Thompson missed all but 9 games
-Davis was limited to 10 mpg the first 20 games and missed 5 games during the "meltdown"
-Green missed 4/6 first games (including Arkansas) and was suspended during a crucial 3 game stretch
-Phinisee went almost a month without any basketball activity and took him awhile to get back into playing shape
-Romeo Langford played with torn ligaments in his thumb the entire season
Right, but you said in absolutes IU has NO recruiting momentum and NOBODY wants to play for IU. You were wrong. Again. Period.
You want to make a bet that one of if not both of Galloway or Leal land on an all-conference team by the time they graduate?
Last year was a complete and epic meltdown the likes of which we’ve never seen in IU history. It is what it is. Quit trying to sugarcoat it. Hopefully it was an anomaly but last year was the most underachieving team I’ve seen in 60+ years.
If Virginia or Villanova would have followed the Illinois logic, combined they don't win the last 3 national titles.
I think you might mean Crean’s last team at IU. We weren’t even a preseason top 25 team last year. Lol.
Just stop.
It wasn't even the most underachieving team in the past three seasons.
Bring the drama down a couple of notches.
Right. Imagine beating Kansas and North Carolina in a 3 week span and not making the tournament after being ranked #3 in the country. And that's somehow Archie's fault to some people.
lol. fire a coach after two years. lolololol. with all we know about program building. lolololololololololol.
Only on your world is being right an indication of being dumb. Never wonder why you get regularly run over on here.
Imagine his stats if he gave 100% the whole game. We might have even won the game!
Pushing the narrative that IU lost the Maryland game because of Romeo is about as laughable as it gets.
He single handily kept IU in the game you dumb shit? He scored 16 points alone the last 7:30 of regulation. Pitting IU’s failures on Romeo last year just goes to show you didn’t watch a single game.
I'm not exactly a snarlcakes fan, but if anyone is the loser (I assume that's what you are saying in your little child language) in this exchange it's you, and RL is infinitely more mature than you will ever be.
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