And your posting history is what it is. I stand by what I said. Would drink beers with you. But politics. Hyper partisan
The Interview
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I just want everyone to relax on the cooler and understand that my values have not changed.
I’ve always thought that Covid was real, a government mandated monthly shot for the rest of YOUR lives is needed for the greater good, government should tell you and control the value of your real state, that same government should force you to sell your product for a certain price (especially if it’s below your cost of production, you must have empathy for others, DAMNIT!)
If you are privileged to have a two bedroom house, you should be mandated to bring in 12 , illegal families and pay their way ( includes everything, cloths, food, bedding, cars (electric of course), but you are forbidden to provide contraception and they can’t work, since you already do.
I know my words here in the past have been taken out of context. But my values haven’t changed.
I’ve always thought that Covid was real, a government mandated monthly shot for the rest of YOUR lives is needed for the greater good, government should tell you and control the value of your real state, that same government should force you to sell your product for a certain price (especially if it’s below your cost of production, you must have empathy for others, DAMNIT!)
If you are privileged to have a two bedroom house, you should be mandated to bring in 12 , illegal families and pay their way ( includes everything, cloths, food, bedding, cars (electric of course), but you are forbidden to provide contraception and they can’t work, since you already do.
I know my words here in the past have been taken out of context. But my values haven’t changed.
Camala is going to get by with it.
Kamala looks like a kid at the adult table.
You could just hear here saying to herself "Don't cackle. Don't cackle". I bet she was off the weed for at least a week to get herself prepped for that hard hitting interview.
You can't handle it when anyone points out the conspiracy theorists on your side. And there are many.
Of course it's the first time you're hearing about it. Duh! We know where you get your information.
Talk to Ohio Guy. He's the one who thinks on MAGA are conspiracy theorists.
It doesn't matter what position he takes - there's always going to be a kerfuffle. That's how the media works.
It's hard to make a gaffe when you don't take a position.
She said she wasn't going to ban fracking, but said her 'values' haven't changed. WTF does that mean?
No strategy is going to make Kamala electable. After the debate, it will be obvious.
I liked “League of Their Own” well enough, but outside of that I’m not sure I pay much attention to what Rosie O’Donnell says or does. I don’t necessarily dislike her, it’s just that she’s not really high on my list of people that have an impact on my life or worldview.
It’s weird and a little sad that you determine “sides” by who likes Trump and who doesn’t.
And the fact that your favorite media outlets are reporting on Rosie O’Donnell is some of the most hopeful news for the November election yet. If they’re not able to report anything substantive for Trump or against Harris, that bodes well for Harris.
Given his coalition, his initial statement on that amendment was stupid. He initially said he was going to vote for an amendment, in Florida, with zero abortion restrictions. It is currently six weeks. Now he may feel that six weeks is too little (he said as much) but to turn around and throw his name behind an amendment that would have next to no restrictions was just stupid. Even if that is his position, it is not the position of a core group of his constituency. They (rightfully) felt it was a stab in the back. It has been walked back at this point, we'll see how much damage was done.
There is a group of people that are all in on Trump, almost no matter what he does. I don't know how large that group is. I get the feeling that he thinks it is really big. I tend to think that most people are like me. This is currently an inconvenient marriage and he is the choice by being better than the alternative. As he continues to shift to the left, the gulf between those choices becomes smaller, and all the bull shit you have to put up with to continue to support them becomes harder to swallow. Lila Rose fired a shot across his bow on the abortion thing. The social conservatives are the only leg on the stool he has left mostly unmolested. I don't think he can chop down all 4 and expect to win in November.
In reference to the legs, I think there are 3 to 4 areas that have mostly defined the GOP coalition in my lifetime: Economic Conservatives, NeoCons/Foreign Policy Conservatives, Social Conservatives, and Libertarians. I think people tend to have opinions on all of those things but for many, one of them is their deal killer identity. Trump has done or said things to hurt himself with all 4 constituencies. I think worst damage to the Foreign Policy/Neocon group. His abortion stance this past week would have wrecked him with the social conservatives. He still would probably get quite a few of them to vote for him, but I think enough of them would throw their hands up in exasperation with him and just stay home that it would cost him any chance he had with the election. I don't think the percentage of people that are slavishly devoted to him is anywhere near what Democrats believe it is.
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Well my family is recalibrating this weekend. Daughter in the ozarks with the outlaws. Ozark Sunday mess. Spend time with that son. That’s the real deal. No bullshit mass. People will be healed!!
And I’m taking my minion to bass pro shop this morning. Maybe get a duck call. Perhaps his first toy gun. And why not add a little camo. All his little classmates in j crew and city sc jerseys and vineyard vines with sailboats and beach chairs, let ‘em look across the room now and again and see him in camo with a big orange freedom badge on his shirt. Put ‘em all on notice. They’ve long since learned he doesn’t suffer fools. Let ‘em know he’s entering another stage of business
He is more in on Trump than I am. Listen, there are posters on here where we are probably 90% in lock step with each other who have spilled more digital ink on bashing each other (and other Republicans) than they have on their true political adversaries. There are posters on here that I like and respect on both sides of that argument that leave me wondering, "Why on earth do you think that?" and "Why on earth are you saying this to each other." Truly don't get it. And I will say that I have let that frustration out from time to time.
So I am kind of saying that, to use two posters as examples of the two sides, I like Aloha. I don't necessarily agree with his reasoning right now but I tend to believe that if we went down a list of issues we are going to agree with each other more often than not. Same with dbm. I think he is sometimes a little over the top with the Trump support but we mostly have a simpatico world view. I may push or question people I see in that vein from time to time but I try not to come across like I am "friendly firing" on people.
This is the last Trump cycle IMO. The Democrats have lurched left. I don't see them truly moderating back to Bill Clinton land anytime soon. Their young voters aren't moderate. All of these conservative folks who are fighting over Trump are going to need to figure things out so we don't end up like European conservatives.
Agree in part disagree in part. Agree on domestic and social shit adamantly agree on coming together if we are desirous of winning again disagree on 90 percent. Trump crowd and old school pubs are miles apart on foreign affairs from what I’ve gleaned. That’s a big deal
Concur.
His new IVF stance is also a problem for him. Not just with the social conservatives, but also fiscal conservatives. He says the federal government will pay for IVF procedures. What’s the cost of that? I understand it’s very expensive. Also, why would the federal government take that on?
I’m all for IVF, but that doesn’t mean it’s the taxpayers responsibility to pay for it.
You’re responding to someone who excitedly promotes “2,000 Mules.” He’s clueless.
I think the appearance of the gulf is exasperated by the rhetoric. The foreign policy establishment does not like Trump and he responds prickly to them. I think even a moderately EQ person could bridge that gap fairly easily.
"We cannot retreat from the world. The world needs us. What we do need to be more cognizant of doing is choosing which conflicts and trouble spots are worth our investment and then what type of investment is needed. In areas where our partners around the world are capable, part of our foreign policy should pivot to encouraging them to be more defensively self reliant."
That is just an off the top of the head starter. I think one thing is out of our politicians hands though. These social media platforms put you in touch with some of our allies and when you sit on the conservative side of the aisle, quite a few of them regularly express opinions that make them really, really hard to like. And polling backs up the idea that these folks aren't outliers...I don't know how you rectify that issue. Just saying that having NATO members on things like Twitter talking about how backward and stupid Republicans are doesn't help that equation....
I use to work with a couple around here about 15 years ago.... they invited me to their clubhouse a couple times. Only went once, which was enough for me. Would hang out at a bar with a couple of members that's now a Mexican restaurant I believe. Bar would close at 3 but wouldn't leave until sometimes 7 or 8, kind of like Varsity Blues style.
Club House got raided some 10 years or so ago and got shut down. Wasn't surprised in the least from what I saw and who I saw in there.
Nah. Harris is currently throwing a fit over the muted mics (after agreeing to them previously) precisely because it will impede her ability to do the “I’m speaking” bit. She truly is pathetic.
The Biden team agreed to that. The Trump team doesn’t want them live and the Harris team wants them live for the same reason - Trump won’t be able to control himself and will butt in like an asshole and say something inappropriate. The man has no self-discipline.
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Got it. So she will only agree to the Biden date and no others (despite not being Biden), but the format is where she draws the line.
Meanwhile, prior to the Trump/ Biden debate people like yourself were saying the mics HAD to be muted because Trump can’t follow the rules.
She and her team have been behaving like spoiled brats while trying to get these debates scheduled. Its unbecoming. And you apologize for them.
It’s not about me, this is between the campaigns. I really don’t care much one way or the other except it was refreshing not having Trump constantly butting in. To me, the disagreements aren’t very interesting. I care very little about it. They can fight amongst themselves.
Also, pointing out that the original agreement was between the Trump and Biden campaigns isn’t apologizing for anyone. Putting accurate information out is necessary for informed discussion.
She's playing him -- and people like you -- like a fiddle. She's in win win territory on this one.
Or……. She realizes the mad black woman routine is the only card she has and cut mics make that much tougher.
I agree, they haven't. They have always been half a bubble off.
I agree with your last sentence. And I wasn't commenting on the value or non-value of his position - just that whatever he does or says, someone will be offended or outraged or triggered by it. Guaranteed.
"Oh, I'm gonna vote for Kamala because she's playing Trump on the debate".
Do you know how stupid that sounds? What does she 'win' by trying to change the agreed-upon rules?
This actually made me laugh out loud.
You came to this conclusion because I don’t subscribe to and hang on every word Rosie O’Donnell says about current events.
Back in mid-August, @TommyCracker , you thought it was too early to complain about Harris dodging the media or neutral or opposition questioning, expressing confidence she would do those just as soon as she got her footing.
We are now less than 30 days from the election. Are you satisfied with what she has done to lay out to the American people what her policies will be and how she will approach our biggest problems?
It goes without saying, I hope, that by criticizing Harris you do not automatically support Trump.
Have you been paying attention? She’s done The View, Howard Stern, Colbert and Call Her Daddy in the last two days. It’s a BLITZ!
Nobody has asked her when she knew Biden was in decline, and why did she choose to not to be forthcoming about it?
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