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Good move by President Trump . . .

He appointed Lieutenant General (retired) Kellogg as envoy to Russia and Ukraine and gave him a goal of a peace agreement within 100 days:


I'll certainly hope for his success. Zelenskyy has already indicated a willingness to cede territory (and, let's face it, it's not realistic to think there's a way out of this without that). But the hard part will be getting Putin to accept Ukraine getting some kind of permanent security assurances that are more than just Putin making a pinky promise.
 
His minions will believe it, though.
Per The Hill: “A new Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.”

 
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Nah, he is just convinced. And he is correct on this. You just wont admit this

It isn’t falsifiable. It’s counter-factual. So nobody can say he’s either correct or incorrect. Anybody who says they can (like him) is full of shit.

You may think it wouldn’t have happened. I honestly have no idea - but I tend to think it would’ve happened either way. Putin had his sights set on those parts of Ukraine and he was going to get them, one day or another.

But this isn’t my point. My point is that he feels it necessary to put crap like that in his speeches and statements. It’s obnoxious. And I say that as somebody who has voted for him…twice.
 
It isn’t falsifiable. It’s counter-factual. So nobody can say he’s either correct or incorrect. Anybody who says they can (like him) is full of shit.

You may think it wouldn’t have happened. I honestly have no idea - but I tend to think it would’ve happened either way. Putin had his sights set on those parts of Ukraine and he was going to get them, one day or another.

But this isn’t my point. My point is that he feels it necessary to put crap like that in his speeches and statements. It’s obnoxious. And I say that as somebody who has voted for him…twice.
Taking emotions out of it and looking at facts . Putin took Crimea when Biden was the V.P. Nothing when Trump was the President. And Ukraine when Biden became President. I think the obvious conclusion is the chances of the war happening with Trump as President were much much less than Biden. It’s silly to conclude anything else.
 
Per The Hill: “A new Harvard Center for American Political Studies (CAPS)-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.”

Thank you for providing evidence for how stupid people are.
 
Absolutely. Never would’ve. Trump had a strong working relationship with Putin and is a geopolitical realist.

He would have put the Kibosh on Ukraine entry into NATO and 100’s of thousands of lives would’ve been spared.
Millions dead, a country ruined, NATO shredded, Germany a political ruin...

Jingoists and neocons must be very proud...

The amount of innocent blood on your hands is sickening...
 
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Millions dead, a country ruined, NATO shredded, Germany a political ruin...

Jingoists and neocons must be very proud...

The amount of innocent blood on your hands is sickening...
I love it. You are like the guy that blames WW2 on Churchill, completely wrong but not afraid to be completely wrong in front of the entire world

Putin invaded Ukraine. Any person with a positive IQ knows that means it is Putin's fault. Just as it was our fault for invading Iraq, or Vietnam. Don't blame the victim.
 
I love it. You are like the guy that blames WW2 on Churchill, completely wrong but not afraid to be completely wrong in front of the entire world

Putin invaded Ukraine. Any person with a positive IQ knows that means it is Putin's fault. Just as it was our fault for invading Iraq, or Vietnam. Don't blame the victim.
Never said a word about ****ing Churchill, who was retired, painting on the coast of France when the war was coming to a boil...
You aren't worth the time to argue with.
 
Never said a word about ****ing Churchill, who was retired, painting on the coast of France when the war was coming to a boil...
You aren't worth the time to argue with.
I never said you said a word, sorry you don't know how to read. Call your library, they have classes. I was comparing you to Darryl Cooper who made that claim on Tucker Carlson's show last fall.

We were giving Ukraine virtually no support at invasion time. Russia's decapitation strike could easily have worked. If the US was guiding them to war, Ukraine would have been far better prepared.
 
Never said a word about ****ing Churchill, who was retired, painting on the coast of France when the war was coming to a boil...
You aren't worth the time to argue with.
Ukraine was nothing more than a giant money laundering scheme ! By politicians on both sides.
 
Ukraine was nothing more than a giant money laundering scheme ! By politicians on both sides.

Mentioning both sides is a start toward accepting there are both good and bad things we can all agree upon.

Lucy, you may be onto something.
 


Have a hard time seeing anyone being unsupportive of this move. The Dulles brothers are truly two of the most evil people in American history. We should not have anything named after them
Zero percent chance of this passing. It has as much chance as changing the name to GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly Airport.
 
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Have a hard time seeing anyone being unsupportive of this move. The Dulles brothers are truly two of the most evil people in American history. We should not have anything named after them
Hope so. Wouldn’t mind this either for saving us from Harris and squad politics

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Bounce Lincoln! The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln! Be gone, pretender!
Yes he was nominally a Republican. If that’s enough for you, so be it.

We will have to reach some kind of detente you and I. We can’t keep going at in every thread.

I support the constitution and an extremely limited federal government. You clearly don’t as evidenced by your support for Lincoln and every post you make on this board.

Stop attacking me for my conservative philosophy. And I won’t attack you for loving a massive federal government and being permissive of its overreach.
 
Yes he was nominally a Republican. If that’s enough for you, so be it.

We will have to reach some kind of detente you and I. We can’t keep going at in every thread.

I support the constitution and an extremely limited federal government. You clearly don’t as evidenced by your support for Lincoln and every post you make on this board.

Stop attacking me for my conservative philosophy. And I won’t attack you for loving a massive federal government and being permissive of its overreach.
Nominally? He was the first Republican President. He's the Godfather of the party.

I agree with supporting the constitution and a limited federal government because I'm a Republican. Your philosophy is some weird combination between Libertarianism and MAGA.

You can't attack me for a massive federal government because that's not what I want. I'll never respond to a post of yours again if it's not in response to me or you're commenting on something that you're clearly ignorant about. How about that deal?
 
Nominally? He was the first Republican President. He's the Godfather of the party.

I agree with supporting the constitution and a limited federal government because I'm a Republican. Your philosophy is some weird combination between Libertarianism and MAGA.

You can't attack me for a massive federal government because that's not what I want. I'll never respond to a post of yours again if it's not in response to me or you're commenting on something that you're clearly ignorant about. How about that deal?
Your constant retreat to your alleged experience is a massive crutch. You need to stop using it. You rarely argue anything in the merits.

I have no direct experience with IG’s like I have no direct experience coaching Division 1 Men’s Basketball. I will still comment on both and you can’t stop me.

The thing I have over you is that I am well read and well informed which is why you constantly need to retreat to the crutch I mentioned earlier.

We should cease interaction because you have little to offer.
 
Your constant retreat to your alleged experience is a massive crutch. You need to stop using it. You rarely argue anything in the merits.

I have no direct experience with IG’s like I have no direct experience coaching Division 1 Men’s Basketball. I will still comment on both and you can’t stop me.

The thing I have over you is that I am well read and well informed which is why you constantly need to retreat to the crutch I mentioned earlier.

We should cease interaction because you have little to offer.
You most definitely aren’t more well read than I am. Guaranteed. You don’t have that and you don’t have experience. You got nothing and should pack up your little toys and move along. Ask the question I suggested and when the answer is no just don’t opine
 
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