does seem like he is a legit preacher, cant imagine his congregation, crazy as he is he may actually have people who listen and follow him.
Do you stand with the Cubans who are against communism?
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while i'm hardly an expert on the subject, has Communism ever been tried where the plutocracy govt's didn't do all they could to sabotage it, being Communism is the mortal enemy of plutocracy, even if it isn't of democracy?
that said, while again i admit ignorance on the subject, just how well off are the Cuban people as compared to the general citizenry of other central and south American "capitalist democracies", despite the US doing all they could to sabotage communist Cuba ever succeeding since the 50s or 60s. (hasn't the US had an embargo against Cuba importing anything other than food and humanitarian supplies).
to what extent Cuba could have succeeded under communism absent the US, (thus the US and it's allies), having a perpetual boot on Cuba's neck since the day they went communist, we'll never know, because we were never going to let them find out.
btw, isn't Cuba's nearest neighbor Haiti a capitalist republic?
how do the living standards of Joe Citizen in Cuba compare with Joe Citizen's in Haiti, despite the US and others' 60 plus yrs 10,000 lb boot on Cuba's neck..
hard to judge Cuba's govt, when we've forced them to operate forever under a huge disadvantage than others we want to compare them to.
does the US not lead the world in the number of incarcerated per capita for political reasons?
and is anyone incarcerated for possession of drugs, not effectively a political prisoner?
Most of The Squad is affiliated with this group that publicly stands with the oppressive Cuban regime and against the Cubans risking everything to protest freedom.
I looked last night and couldn't find any comment on the protests in Cuba from Cortez, Omar, Tlaib, Bowman etc.
Did I miss them? These members are usually quick to release comments to criticize Israel, but not much when it comes to Cuba
Describe for all of us your expertise on China, please.
Who is this VanPastorMan? Why do we think he knows the inner workings of the communist party in China?
"takover of their homeland" tells you all you need to know about VPM's expertise in SE Asia. Dunning Kruger.
I've heard testimonies from those living in China who got out. They were not told the party line. They lived the horrors of it. Now do you stand with the Cubans or are they just nuts because everything is great over there? They are communists too by the way.
Are you claiming the Fox Conn story is untrue? Those little iphones are being made by Chinese slaves. Lebron James has slaves making his shoes so he can get even more rich. You ok with all this?
Sure, sure, sure. People in China aren't "locked in". They travel quite freely.
Link up all your nonsense and I'm happy to comment on it. Also, check the labels of all your clothes (I know you're "vest friendly"). Now tell me where they're all made.
Tell me.
That’s funny, my next door neighbors are Chinese and go to Northwestern med school. They seem okay.
ive been to China twice and Hong Kong 3 times, Macau once. How many times have you been?
Lmao you’ve been to China twice as a tourist and now know what goes on all over China.
Nothing like witnessing oppression first hand from the buffet at the Ritz. By golly this isn’t what I expected of China at all - these people are thriving!
There will be blood
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yeah VPM is locked in because he has heard testimonials
None and your alleged travel to certain regions of the country is irrelevant to a discussion about very selective authorized travel.
your generalization was a stretch.
Well, except for the kids that play table tennis.
China doesn't have selective, authorized travel. Not sure where you get that idea. Getting a passport may be a problem for people in rural areas or for the uighers.... not really sure. But in general, China doesn't restrict international travel of their citizens. I'd say his generalization is much closer to reality than yours.
Go to any poplar world travel destination (including in the US, but really in Europe) and be prepared to be swamped with Chinese tourists.
Now to what levels other countries provide entry visas to Chinese might well be restrictive.... but that's a different issue.
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go to any high roller room at a casino , don't care if its in tupelo Mississippi , Asians are gamblers
China: Freedom in the World 2020 Country Report | Freedom House
See the Freedom in the World 2020 score and learn about democracy and freedom in China.
Many other Chinese citizens also face obstacles to freedom of movement within the country. Police checkpoints throughout Xinjiang limit residents’ ability to travel or even leave their hometowns. Elsewhere in China, as initial stages of a Social Credit System were introduced during 2019, millions of citizens reportedly encountered restrictions on air and train travel due to their low scores. While China’s constitution gives individuals the right to petition the government concerning a grievance or injustice, in practice petitioners are routinely intercepted in their efforts to reach Beijing, forcefully returned to their hometowns, or extralegally detained in “black jails,” psychiatric institutions, and other sites.
Millions of people are affected by government restrictions on their access to foreign travel and passports, many of them Uighurs and Tibetans. Overseas Chinese nationals who engage in politically sensitive activities are at risk of being prevented from returning to China, or choose not to return for fear of being arrested.
And you really don't want to know what Amnesty International has to say.
Indeed Hoop's claim was a stretch.
China: Freedom in the World 2020 Country Report | Freedom House
See the Freedom in the World 2020 score and learn about democracy and freedom in China.freedomhouse.org
Many other Chinese citizens also face obstacles to freedom of movement within the country. Police checkpoints throughout Xinjiang limit residents’ ability to travel or even leave their hometowns. Elsewhere in China, as initial stages of a Social Credit System were introduced during 2019, millions of citizens reportedly encountered restrictions on air and train travel due to their low scores. While China’s constitution gives individuals the right to petition the government concerning a grievance or injustice, in practice petitioners are routinely intercepted in their efforts to reach Beijing, forcefully returned to their hometowns, or extralegally detained in “black jails,” psychiatric institutions, and other sites.
Millions of people are affected by government restrictions on their access to foreign travel and passports, many of them Uighurs and Tibetans. Overseas Chinese nationals who engage in politically sensitive activities are at risk of being prevented from returning to China, or choose not to return for fear of being arrested.
And you really don't want to know what Amnesty International has to say.
Indeed Hoop's claim was a stretch.
I'm fully aware of the authoritative nature of the PRC, particularly when it comes to country's minority sects, which deserve all the criticism they receive (and then some) ....as I mentioned in my post. And that goes for any others that are overtly politically active in opposition to the govt.
But as a general rule for the majority of the population, there are not restrictions upon their citizens traveling outside the country.... nor is there some absurd idea that people are somehow assigned jobs/ careers in China, as the village idiot pastor/ fast food employee pretends.
For all practical purposes, China does not operate a communist system whatsoever.. other than in name.... they haven't attempted central planning since the 1970s. It's more or less a market based economy with an authoritative, single party govt. China has the largest middle class population in the world.... what's more middle class capitalism than a shit load of Sam's Clubs? Lol
China's giant middle class is still growing and companies from Walmart to start-ups are trying to cash in
McKinsey analysis indicates that group could reach 550 million in three years — more than one-and-a-half times the entire U.S. population today.
Hell, Cuba doesn't even really operate as one today. Nor does Vietnam. Even though they are both technically communists.
Cuba opens up its economy to private businesses
The labour minister announces a major reform to the communist country's state-controlled economy.
www.bbc.com
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The number of people in jail for possession of drugs is minimal. The vast majority is for distribution.
Whatever your beliefs about the war on drugs. No. People knowingly breaking the law are not political prisoners.
My guess is your response will be, What is a just law? Maybe some tangent about how big pharma has politicians in their pocket and is fighting tooth and nail against the legalization of drugs. Please save it, not interested.
I went to China regularly to visit Huawei and ZTE labs. I miss those trips and had a blast in China.
Let Cuba work their issues out and try to work with them.
Is Vietnam communist? Seems once the US got out of there that country has recovered and done well. Appears to be one of the better places to retire now internationally. US caused a lot of damage and set Vietnam backby decades.
I wouldn't trust any of the govts above but I don't trust any of what is going on in the US govt with all it aggression and corruption and criminals like Gestapo Joe that con people into voting for for them with crony news stations, lies, and propaganda.
Let Cuba work their issues out and try to work with them.
Is Vietnam communist? Seems once the US got out of there that country has recovered and done well. Appears to be one of the better places to retire now internationally. US caused a lot of damage and set Vietnam backby decades.
I wouldn't trust any of the govts above but I don't trust any of what is going on in the US govt with all it aggression and corruption and criminals like Gestapo Joe that con people into voting for for them with crony news stations, lies, and propaganda.
No it is another political war that the general population doesn't care about. The US govt. ramps up fear mongering using their silly propaganda methods. Ever seen Reefer Madness. Biden and all the politicians in office that have support the war on drugs for decades have ruined millions of lives of people who have done nothing anymore wrong than selling moonshine or drinking a beer. Now the same politicians say nevermind, we were wrong and should decriminalize and start a new war on guns threatening americans with the you can't compete with our bombs and nukes.
IMO, Gestapo Joe should be tried as a war criminal for enabling the black market on drugs with this war, sending police into black neighborhoods on witch hunts to gun down non-violent people for smoking a joint. You would think the US govt. can find ways to help American people by letting them keep the money they spend on this effort or spend it on something that is actually doing something good for the people.
We've all listened to people rail against the war on drugs before, nothing you've said is original or interesting. The motivations for starting it can debated at length and we're certainly not going to take your opinion at face value any more than we would Ehrlichman.
Regularly traveling to foreign countries expands your world view, breaks down ingrained prejudices, and does lead to a better understanding of the human condition. It doesn't make you a Moody Bible Scholar, though I'm not sure of the value added there, considering the meager intellectual contributions of our Moody graduate.
No, the US does not lead the world in the # of incarcerated per capita for political reasons, although the DoJ under Biden will work on it.
No, people incarcerated for possession of drugs are not effectively political prisoners.
But thanks for the questions.
As a country we could consider sharing our vaccinations with the Cuban people who are suffering big time (level four) from the Covid pandemic. This would be one way to stand with the Cubans who face the double whammy of living under communism and the pandemic.
The irony being because they live in a communist country the suffering Cubans won't be getting help from our government in meeting the pandemic crisis.
The Cuban people are in the streets chanting Freedom. I don’t think they’re chanting freedom from rising COVID cases.
Trying paint this as simply a COVID demonstration is disingenuous and removes responsibility from the Cuban government.
Nobody has done that, to my knowledge. COVID is one issue among many.
"No food, no medicine, no freedom"
Photos From Inside Cuba Show the Intensity of Protests in Havana and Beyond
The protests spread across the country Sunday, inspiring demonstrations in Miami as well.
Food Shortages, COVID-19, and Instagram: The Driving Forces Behind the Cuba Protests
Thousands marched in Havana and other cities to protest the lack of food and COVID-19 vaccines, with many demanding an end to the 62-year-old dictatorship, chanting “Freedom!” and “Enough!”
Cuba protests: Thousands rally against government as economy struggles
Protesters are angry at an economic crisis, anti-Covid measures and curbs on civil liberties.
www.bbc.com
