Maybe you should ask the TWO CAPITOL POLICE WHO WERE STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HER how dangerous she was.
No one else seemed worried at all except for the trigger-happy cop.
Biden/Harris will be elected in Nov.
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No one else seemed worried at all except for the trigger-happy cop.
Maybe the cops should pop a few more felons who don't follow orders. That would lower the crime rate and save us a lot of time and money prosecuting them.
So goes your logic.
For openers
Part of a violent mob assaulting police officers destroying federal property and attempting to reach elected officials. Two quotes that come to mind “Hang Mike Pence” and one of the leaders of one of the nut job groups Pride Boys or similar upon sentencing said if we had rifles we could have taken care of things right there.
Your position is indefensible
I noticed that you didn't put this in quotes. Any specific reason for that?
Of those felons are part of a violent raging mob dead set on destroying federal property and reaching innocent people then absolutely fire away
Your position in this is indefensible.
At the end of the day...Babbit and Capitol Officer Sicknick are both dead because of one retched, orange turd.
You seriously believe I made it up?
Jere is one and I heard another that included we could have taken care of business right there
WASHINGTON — The founder of the far-right Oath Keepers was recorded days after the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol saying his "only regret" about that day is that the group "should have brought rifles," federal prosecutors revealed in federal court Monday.
Opening statements began Monday in the seditious conspiracy trial of Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes alongside Kelly Meggs, Kenneth Harrelson, Jessica Watkins and Thomas Caldwell. Other members of the alleged conspiracy will go on trial in November
Oh there are the ".." marks. Just as I thought. Agenda driven, smear EMOTIONS. I get it, we all do it ("all" is metaphorical).
As much as I am empathetic towards @TheOriginalHappyGoat blight, We spend pages upon pages of bitching between "Letter" of mans law, vrs "intent" of mans law, or Natural law granted by a higher "understanding/ authority" (how ever you want to say it).
Simple 3rd grade play ground shit. I've got an area that I protect, it's mine and invitation only. I'm going to build it great for us inside, to be happy. INVITE only, with one HUGE EXCEPTION. Here is my blueprint to build this so you can go build your own INVITE only area. I've shared the entire god damn thing with you, now go build it for yourself. For 200+ years, you fvckin slugs can't copy the perfect blueprint. WHY do I want you into my design? My design actually has built in defense mechanism to remove those who are a virus. Just like the Human Body. ....
Oh Fvck... I did earlier warn that today was my cheat drink day. Does some of this make some sense? maybe?
The officer in deed is dead because of Trump. The rioter is dead because of her own hate filled stupid decisions.
And yet, you don't provide your definition. I wonder why. No wait - I don't wonder why.
There were 2 Capitol Cops standing right next to her, seemingly unconcerned. I don't care what other quotes you pull out your ass that someone might have said. Babbitt was harmless and the 2 cops standing next to her knew it.
Your position is based strictly on TDS.
You're providing whatever conditions fit your argument.
Babbitt and Floyd both disobeyed police orders. In Babbitt's case, you say killing her was justified. In his case, he becomes a martyr to you.
Your position is hypocritical.
Well, it varies a bit by jurisdiction, but generally it's unlawful intentional homicide with malice aforethought. There are other extenuating circumstances that can turn something that isn't murder into murder, but none of them apply here.
Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. Period.
"Varies by jurisdiction". lmao Yeah, so you use the definition YOU want.
Ashli Babbitt - all 5' of her - was no threat to anyone and the cop clearly had 'malice forethought' before he pulled the trigger.
If the cops in Minneapolis deserved jail time, so does Bird.
Your continued insistence on trying to compare Babbitt to Floyd further proves you have no clue what you're talking about. Washing my hands of this one. Cheers.
Sure, when you can't provide any difference between the 2 cases, quit arguing. Smart lawyering.
I am discussing the deceased violent rioter trying to reach congressmen and women. Not discussing Floyd.
Feel free to critic anything I post, I simply ask that you critique something that I actually posted.
TIA
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George Floyd died because he refused an order to "get in the car". Ashley Babbitt died because she refused orders to halt and not jump thru a busted out window where members of Congress were sheltering.
What exactly was Babbitt's plan when she tried to force her way into the restricted area?
Link that. I’ve seen the video and read numerous articles and did not see capitol police standing next to Babbitt and have not read it either. Unless you can link proof I’ll just add this to the long list of lies you’ve posted as a bad faith defender of Trump and Trumpsters.
There were officers on the same side of the barrier Babbitt was on. It's irrelevant. It didn't matter if those officers felt she was a threat. She changed the math when she began climbing through the window. At that point, it was the officer on the other side that mattered, the one whose job it was to protect members of Congress from harm.
I don’t recall seeing or reading that, but agree it would be irrelevant based on her actions.
It's not like they were escorting her, but a couple were in the stairwell observing, probably trying to figure out what to do. They immediately jumped to Babbitt's assistance when she was shot.
"Maybe you should ask the TWO CAPITOL POLICE WHO WERE STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HER how dangerous she was."
This video clearly shows the unitformed officers who had been standing near where she was making their way to (supposed) safety as the crowd starts to surge forward and the attempt to break into the restircted area begins in earnest.
By the time the window is busted and Babbitt is shot while appearing to attempt to go thru it, the officers are already out of that immediate area and located near the foreground of the video. As they exit to the side of the mob they are walking towards whoever is filming...
"No one else seemed worried at all except for the trigger-happy cop."
Another lie because you can clearly see one of the exiting officers repeatedly glancing back nervously at the mob as he and his fellow officers are retreating from the area.. They all seem to be eager to vacate the area. You can also clearly hear one of the rioters sarcastically yell "good job guys" at the retreating officers. You can then hear the pounding on the doors get louder, someone breaks the window, and then Babbitt climbs up into the space where the window was and is shot...
Here in case you missed it you can watch it again...
Byrd was absolutely alone, and 3 officers had already made a quick nervous exit to escape the mob. And the other officers' exit had caused the fury of the mob to escalate. They didn't start to pound heavily on the doors until the officers started to exit. The pounding clearly escalates as the officers surrender their spot in front of the mob.
So if three unifromed officers had already been forced to retreat by the fury of the mob, why do you think a lone man should have been eager to allow himself to be overrun? Do these people seem to you as if they were going to just reign themselves in and stop on their own?
I think the original 3 or 4 officers thought that the ones in the stairwell would immediaately releive them and take their place. So there seemed to be a miscommunication or maybe they felt the situation had deteriorated to the point that a strategic retreat was called for.
But as you can see in the video I posted any officers who might have been standing next to her at one time were nervously exiting before the window/door she climbed up in to had even been busted.No idea where DANC get's his "facts", but as usual they are fake news...
Good lord dude, this same graph has aleady been posted elsewhere. I think the video I posted debunking it is far more conclusive and exposes how these claims only apply if Blacks are a small subset of a poll including a majority of non-Black participants. Not at all the results larger sample sizes of polls and focus groups that deal ONLY with Black participants have shown over the past 6 months. But hey,you do you...
Maybe we'll see a "red tsunami" of Black Trump voters in those sweet kicks he's grifting...
Both instances involve subjects not obeying the police when ordered.
Now you're speculating on what Babbitt would have done. Yet the 2 Capitol Police officers standing right next to her did nothing. It appears she was as dangerous as George Floyd.
The officers were still there and went to her aid. You really need to stop listening to liars.
It's totally relevant - 2 officers standing next to her did nothing. The trigger happy cop on the OTHER SIDE OF THE DOOR shot her in the face.
How you can say it's irrelevant is a joke and indicates how TDS makes you lose any common sense you might have once had.
(moves pointer finger in a circle in the air)
Let's go to the moniter shall we?
I discussed the rioter Babbit.
You responded:
"Babbitt and Floyd both disobeyed police orders. In Babbitt's case, you say killing her was justified. In his case, he becomes a martyr to you"
I never mentioned Floyd, wh is an entirely different situation. As I said, feel free to criticize anything I post, just criticize what I actually posted and don't make shit up.
TIA
RFK now beating Biden among Indies. Bwaaaahaha
I don't have to "listen" to anybody, I can see it with my own two eyes on the video. And I can pause it which shows the timeline stamp and where people are... Your claim...
"It's totally relevant - 2 officers standing next to her did nothing. The trigger happy cop on the OTHER SIDE OF THE DOOR shot her in the face."
At the 09 mark of the video you can clearly see 3 uniformed officers and a man in a suit lined up against the far (right) wall. The shortest guy is standing by the door and he may be standing next to Babbitt (I can't tell which one she is from the rear and they're all masked). The man in the suit is obviously some sort of Law enforcement official, but he is closest to the camera which means he is 4th in line and farthest from the door. At 09 all of those 4 are facing away from the camera watching the door.
At 12, all those 4 turn away from the door and start to move towards the camera and for the first time you see two additional cops in riot gear standing in the spot where the others are heading and these two are still facing the door. At 13 the original 3 cops continue to exit and as they do the man in the suit steps into the spot in the crowd which was vacacted when the cops left their spot and more rioters moved next to the door. He originally steps forward and is likely 3 people away from Babbitt by frame 18. The men in riot gear are essentially directly behind him and the 3 original officers are continuing their exit.
The guy in the suit is looking back and forth towards the door and the officers behind him. But by 22 he is turned towards the camera and talking with the 2 officers in riot gear. The original 3 officers are completely gone and the guy in the suit is relaying instructions to the riot officers, who are presumably their replacements. At 25 the guy in the suit bends forward and puts his Hand on one of the riot officers backs. It's clear they are trying to talk to each other and he leans in so they can be heard over the noise. This occurs at 25...
As the suited officer leans forward towards the camera with his back to the door,the camera focus shifts to the far right corner of the door. A circle shows where Babbitt and two other rioters are standing and at 26 you can hear someone yell "bust it down". That leads to 27 when Babbitt climbs up in to the busted window and then at 29 you hear the shot and she falls. None of the 3 remaining cops are even visible on camera at that point,much less standing next to her.
At 33 you see suit step into the frame and begin to assist her and maybe one of the other cops joins in. But they clearly have only moved towards the door (and into video frame) after she was shot and fell. I'm not good at estimating distances, but I'd say they were at least 20 feet away from her, and suit was facing away from the door talking strategy with his 2 officers when she was shot.
It may have been derelict for the two cops in riot gear to not move directly into the area where the original 3 cops had been standing. But they and suited guy are clearly unsure of what to do initially, and they seem to be discussing strategy and tactics before deciding how to proceed.
Clearly none of them are anywhere near Babbitt when she's shot, and suited guy is turned away from the door talking to his 2 officers. And clearly none of them thought that anyone would be stupid enough to provoke a fatal encounter while they discussed strategy. As for Babitt she made her own choice, and notably she was the only one who chose to leave her position outside the door and climb up into the area where the door/window had been busted out.
Now if you try and wimp out by claiming you only said the "officers were there", I'll remind you that your original claim was that one or two of the officers was standing NEXT to her when she was shot. And the smallest of the 3 original officers may have in fact been standing next to her at one point, but as the video clearly shows the officers in her immediate area had completely exited the scene by the time the window was actually busted out.
But if you don't like my video feel free to post one of your own showing any of the suit or riot gear officers standing next to her at any point. Much less when she was shot...
Btw if the video evidence indicated you were correct then I wouldn't have even got involved and I guess no one would dispute your claims. But if you're going to spread lies/misinformation and a simple google search proves that you're wrong, then it's my duty to expose your lie. I just can't resist
A. Blacks aren't the only people of color
B. "I like my poll more (even though its from a smaller dataset) because it says I'm right" is a childs argument
Do better. Or leave.
No, of course you didn't mention Floyd because you want to ignore the similarities in the cases.
I pointed out the hypocrisy and the double standard of justice while you want to ignore that.
I won't let you get away with only presenting one side of the argument. Sorry. Not sorry.
