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A middle class life on a single income has been out of the reach of most for decades. And even when it was possible, it did require people to live far more modestly than what we would think of as "average" today.
You cannot put a price tag on the value of having kids raised by their parents as opposed to a daycare employee.
 
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And this is where your shtick about be so concerned about the lower classes and working poor proves to be a charade. A recession puts the least of us out of work and behind the eight ball, but yeah, it might help reduce the price of crab legs and lattes.
i'm not sure that's true. both impact different components yet are linked. inflation impacts everyone. a recession and attendant job losses may impact a smaller number. you can be in the lower class and not impacted by a recession. all poor are impacted by inflation
 
You cannot put a price tag on the value of having kids raised by their parents as opposed to a daycare employee.
i coudlnt' agree more but i think those days are mostly gone. unless the woman is loaded and hanging at the country club and shopping with kids they don't want to sit home today in a 1,500 sq ft ranch house bored with kids.
 
i coudlnt' agree more but i think those days are mostly gone. unless the woman is loaded and hanging at the country club and shopping with kids they don't want to sit home today in a 1,500 sq ft ranch house bored with kids.
Parenting is hard. Everyone talks about “privilege”. What was once expected is now an aberration. Non-working mothers drop their kids off at “school”. Society is upside down.
 
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Parenting is hard. Everyone talks about “privilege”. What was once expected is now an aberration. Non-working mothers drop their kids off at “school”. Society is upside down.

Not entirely sure I agree with your "school" comment and society being upside down.

There's a lot of daycares out there that also cater to learning. There's also something to be said for a young child interacting with other young kids socially.

I would argue that if a kid is just being dropped off for the benefit of alone time for the mom in this instance (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with that) what is the child getting out of it other then a parent that wants to be away from their kid in the first place?
 
i coudlnt' agree more but i think those days are mostly gone. unless the woman is loaded and hanging at the country club and shopping with kids they don't want to sit home today in a 1,500 sq ft ranch house bored with kids.
The days are not gone. Bitcoin will bring them back.
 
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Not entirely sure I agree with your "school" comment and society being upside down.

There's a lot of daycares out there that also cater to learning. There's also something to be said for a young child interacting with other young kids socially.

I would argue that if a kid is just being dropped off for the benefit of alone time for the mom in this instance (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with that) what is the child getting out of it other then a parent that wants to be away from their kid in the first place?
They definitely call babysitter a “school”.

“There are a lot of daycares out there that also cater to learning”…yep, they have taken the role of the mother or father in the early childhood education.

Alone time for benefit of mom (or dad)…you can’t just walk out on your job.

There are always variables involved but having someone beside the parents be the main caregiver (especially pre-k) should be an exception not a rule. In today’s society, it is more apt to be the rule.
 
There are always variables involved but having someone beside the parents be the main caregiver (especially pre-k) should be an exception not a rule. In today’s society, it is more apt to be the rule.

Fair enough. Then we need to figure out how to enable couples to live a "typical" middle class life on one income.

Anyone know what Ward Cleaver did for a living?
 
Parenting is hard. Everyone talks about “privilege”. What was once expected is now an aberration. Non-working mothers drop their kids off at “school”. Society is upside down.
Fair enough. Then we need to figure out how to enable couples to live a "typical" middle class life on one income.

Anyone know what Ward Cleaver did for a living?
Worked down at the salt mines
 
Trump wants "up to a 60%" tariff on China, what will that do to inflation.
As I recall, you and your bretheron screamed Existential threat, when Trump started the tariffs that joe biden STILL has in place.

come out come out or I'm gonna blow your house down... NO really, come out... I'm gonna start blowing now... OK, I'm gonna count to 10 and then your are in real trouble, ... 9.... teeeeeeeeeeeen... OK you may not have heard me and how serious I am so I am going to count to 20 this time.... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......

You all have totally worn this shit out. we get it. you tricked us. We were acting from a stance of equal honor. You were not !! You will NEVER get the opportunity to fool me ever again. EVER.
 
As I recall, you and your bretheron screamed Existential threat, when Trump started the tariffs that joe biden STILL has in place.

come out come out or I'm gonna blow your house down... NO really, come out... I'm gonna start blowing now... OK, I'm gonna count to 10 and then your are in real trouble, ... 9.... teeeeeeeeeeeen... OK you may not have heard me and how serious I am so I am going to count to 20 this time.... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......

You all have totally worn this shit out. we get it. you tricked us. We were acting from a stance of equal honor. You were not !! You will NEVER get the opportunity to fool me ever again. EVER.

So I will put you down for believing tariffs, a tax on goods, does not raise prices. Given that, let's add a 5% Value Added Tax on all non-food sales to raise money. It won't cost anyone another penny because taxes on goods don't raise prices any.
 
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Trump wants "up to a 60%" tariff on China, what will that do to inflation.

In2019, oil companies complained of a shortage of workers due to crackdown on illegal aliens.


They make a sizeable number of workers there today, what will that do to oil prices?

 
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Fair enough. Then we need to figure out how to enable couples to live a "typical" middle class life on one income.

Anyone know what Ward Cleaver did for a living?
He carried a briefcase so I'm going to guess he was an insurance agent. My dad was an insurance agent at that time, so I may be projecting..

Do I get extra points for knowing that Darren Stevens was an advertising executive/account specialist at McMann and Tate?
 
Trump wants "up to a 60%" tariff on China, what will that do to inflation.

In2019, oil companies complained of a shortage of workers due to crackdown on illegal aliens.


They make a sizeable number of workers there today, what will that do to oil prices?


I meant to link the article earlier and failed.

Sometimes people use the word “inflationary” in place of “something I don’t like”

Misuse of terms has been a way to criticize
 
Worked down at the salt mines
Understated genius, here. I thought you were just spouting that off the cuff:

Ward is an archetypal white collar, briefcase-toting professional of the 1950s. He wears a business suit, works in an office with a view of a metropolitan area, has a secretary named Grace, leaves home early in the morning and returns in the early evening. He works for a "big company" with main offices in New York City; more specifically, it was revealed in Season 3, Episode 19 that Ward works for a trust company under Mr. Anderson. He drives to work in his Plymouth unless June needs the car during the day for a specific errand. He is home on weekends for golfing at a local country club. Occasionally, Ward is required to do some office work at home. In one early episode, for example, he works at home on a women's marketing survey. His co-worker is Fred Rutherford, a smug, pompous man who refers to the workplace as "the salt mine."

 
Understated genius, here. I thought you were just spouting that off the cuff:

Ward is an archetypal white collar, briefcase-toting professional of the 1950s. He wears a business suit, works in an office with a view of a metropolitan area, has a secretary named Grace, leaves home early in the morning and returns in the early evening. He works for a "big company" with main offices in New York City; more specifically, it was revealed in Season 3, Episode 19 that Ward works for a trust company under Mr. Anderson. He drives to work in his Plymouth unless June needs the car during the day for a specific errand. He is home on weekends for golfing at a local country club. Occasionally, Ward is required to do some office work at home. In one early episode, for example, he works at home on a women's marketing survey. His co-worker is Fred Rutherford, a smug, pompous man who refers to the workplace as "the salt mine."

the oldheads on this board will bitch at me as a whiny millenial but for my money that gen (post ww2 not having to go to vietnam), that sweet spot, had it best
 
You know inflation was worldwide and we now have less inflation than most our G20 friends.


Meanwhile we are expanding, Europe's economy is stagnating. So Europe has inflation and no growth.


In one year our economy roughly grew by the size of South Korea's economy. We grew faster than China, something that hasn't happened in a long time.

I see figures like this all the time.

How does this help me?

How does this help the factory worker in Elkhart, Indiana, or the barista at McMurt's Starbucks?
 
Trump wants "up to a 60%" tariff on China, what will that do to inflation.

In2019, oil companies complained of a shortage of workers due to crackdown on illegal aliens.


They make a sizeable number of workers there today, what will that do to oil prices?

It will make prices increase. But it will help workers who compete with China. It's a wealth transfer from everyone to those people. They want theirs. Just like the student loan debt relief people want theirs. So Trump is trying to buy off the working class guy and his company, and Biden is buying off college graduates.
 
I see figures like this all the time.

How does this help me?

How does this help the factory worker in Elkhart, Indiana, or the barista at McMurt's Starbucks?
The biggest fraud of all of that is contextualizing it with the pandemic. The pandemic was just a pretense. The spending the Biden squad desire is lasting not limited to an emergent situation
 
It will make prices increase. But it will help workers who compete with China. It's a wealth transfer from everyone to those people. They want theirs. Just like the student loan debt relief people want theirs. So Trump is trying to buy off the working class guy and his company, and Biden is buying off college graduates.

Do you think so? A lot of products don't have an American option. Think green army men. 97% of all clothing is made overseas. If it doesn't come from China, it will come from Vietnam. Not a big asset to American workers. I imagine more car parts will move back to Mexico, or other places, not to America. So we will pay more, just to someone else (or to China).

Let us identify critical items and get them back here, even if it means paying more. Medicine would be high in that category. As much as I worry about US corporate quality control (see Boeing about the pressure to squeeze ever y penny out), I worry far more about China's. Plus, we can't risk them using that against us which would happen if relations sour.

But I am skeptical the wealth transfer to Americans will be significant. Maybe to people who work on the supply chain as they rearrange from China to Vietnam.
 
Do you think so? A lot of products don't have an American option. Think green army men. 97% of all clothing is made overseas. If it doesn't come from China, it will come from Vietnam. Not a big asset to American workers. I imagine more car parts will move back to Mexico, or other places, not to America. So we will pay more, just to someone else (or to China).

Let us identify critical items and get them back here, even if it means paying more. Medicine would be high in that category. As much as I worry about US corporate quality control (see Boeing about the pressure to squeeze ever y penny out), I worry far more about China's. Plus, we can't risk them using that against us which would happen if relations sour.

But I am skeptical the wealth transfer to Americans will be significant. Maybe to people who work on the supply chain as they rearrange from China to Vietnam.

One of the funniest moments I've had the last decade was when I was a manager at a furniture store back in 2017 and the owners daughter was going on about how she only buys American made stuff.

I asked did she purchase the MAGA hat under her desk, which she replied yes.

I told her to look at the tag, which she did, which read, made in China

My boss was close by... gave me a smirk when I walked away. Thank God it was a Friday at the end of my day.
 
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