Pardon me, but I call fecal matter. Most of my social world involves Trumpniks, hard core. They perfectly normal and simply never spout the bs CoH gaggles relentlessly. Nice try though.
Why did nearly 70 million people vote for Trump?
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Soccer is full of nuance.
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No, soccer is full of kicking, basically random punting.
Once or twice per half, there is a penalty kick that looks a lot like a foul shot, and the fans stop singing and posing long enough to watch part of the game. These kicks usually fail but they only take a few seconds, and then the fans go back to singing and posing.
If the normal progress of the game does not lead to a score, the rules permit a "stoppage" to deal with a mysterious medical condition called an "injury." Here are some examples of soccer "injuries":
There is little evidence anywhere in the world to indicate that soccer governing bodies have ever dealt with (or even driven past) a real injury like a traffic accident or a guy who fell off a ladder.
The best thing about soccer games is that they are incredibly predictable. Despite the fact that there is no scoreboard informing fans how much time is really remaining, the games all seem to be over in 2 to 2:15 hours, and then the fans can go somewhere else and resume singing and posing.
Nonetheless, the health and sanitation benefits that soccer brings to the public are indisputable:
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The beautiful game is a religion. Your post, albeit entertaining, is blasphemy. Welcome to the list of those who’d be fun to punch
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The beautiful game is a religion. Your post, albeit entertaining, is blasphemy. Welcome to the list of those who’d be fun to punch
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I think that must have been you on that video sniffing your fingers ... three... no four times. Doesn't make you right.
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I think that must have been you on that video sniffing your fingers ... three... no four times. Doesn't make you right.
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I think that must have been you on that video sniffing your fingers ... three... no four times. Doesn't make you right.
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I think that must have been you on that video sniffing your fingers ... three... no four times. Doesn't make you right.
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The beautiful game is a religion. Your post, albeit entertaining, is blasphemy. Welcome to the list of those who’d be fun to punch
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Its chess versus checkers.
People don't understand it so they naturally put it into a context that they understand. Thus the misunderstanding or misconception.
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Its chess versus checkers.
People don't understand it so they naturally put it into a context that they understand. Thus the misunderstanding or misconception.
Its chess versus checkers.
People don't understand it so they naturally put it into a context that they understand. Thus the misunderstanding or misconception.
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how soccer unites the world
CoH, completely agree that populism is hard to define.
In my view, Trump's version of populism is about being not being handicapped by following established traditions. Traditions as adhered to by former presidents of both parties.
IMO if say Romney or McCain had been elected president they would honor certain traditions. They would, for example, avoid personal attacks on former presidents.
Developing a close relationship with a former president as Bill Clinton did with GHWB wouldn't happen in Trump's world of populism and anti-establishmentism.
At GHWB's funeral Trump refused to even acknowledge the presence of former presidents Obama, Clinton, and GWB.
Trump's populism is about establishing his own rules of conduct. His focus is on what he thinks works in the present without being bound by established traditions.
Finally, the strong possibility of Trump's refusal to concede an election defeat may mean he is all about Trumpism and not populism.
Its chess versus checkers.
People don't understand it so they naturally put it into a context that they understand. Thus the misunderstanding or misconception.
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Both chess and checkers have more action.
Both chess and checkers have more action.
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it doesn't look like it but it really is chess. amazon did a documentary on it called this is football and one of the episodes is on messi. it's a good demonstration of the guile and strategy involved. to someone that doesn't follow it i totally understand how it looks boring, but for those who take the time to understand it; it's truly the beautiful game. i've had more joy watching messi play than watching any and all other sports combined for more than 40 years
Well, you have defined populism in terms I have never seen. McCain often took pride in defining himself as a maverick. Obama wanted to fundamentally change the country. Were they populists?
Populism is about finding the lowest common denominator among the majority of people. That can be good or bad. Jobs and economic growth are good, fanning the flames of fear and division are not. Trump is exceptionally talented at the latter. He gave populism a bad name.
This is appalling. Your elitism and holier-than-thou attitude is disgusting and I hope you never return to this land until you grow the hell up.
People vote for trump for a million reasons - they vote against the democrats, against the incoming wave of progressivism that is not good for America. People vote againt Kamala Harris, who is the most radical senator other than Sanders. And yes there are some dickwad racists that vote for him. There are also people on the radical left that burn down businesses and shoot off duty cops. In Singapore does that mean all democrats are murderers?
Sen. Kamala Harris [D-CA]’s 2019 legislative statistics.
Ranked most politically left compared to All Senators, and other 2019 legislative statisticswww.govtrack.us
You don’t live here. You don’t get it. My friends abroad were like you until this election and now they realize (because they have common sense) that it isn’t always about Trump - it’s also about voting against the other team and is a sad reality of a two party system. They know, for some reason you don’t, that 70M people aren’t likely to be racist in aggregate. You can’t consider that, while you snipe from Asia?
You seem to be stuck in the perception that ''distance'' delegitimises opinions or perspectives. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.
If distance was the key determinant, then any f your views regarding China would be moot... since you don't live there.
Or your old fallback -- cant compare different countries since they are different -- but yet you can compare biologically between humans and dogs/cats despite being anatomically different.
Genetically 87-91% similarity, all with similar organs like liver, kidneys, bladders, eyes, paws instead of hands. That's why biologists, geneticists all use the simple fruitfly (61%) as a foundational platform to do their studies.
(Maybe it's a habit of my job that I need to find a common framework before developing. projecting then justifying the possibilities.)
Trump or voting about Trump was never about the man himself. I had to listen to his shit since the 80s when most people had not heard of the man on a daily basis. But instead, get their perception of him based on a TV show.
Trump the POTUS has always been a reflection of where the country stood in terms of values. And also how the country's political parties had boiled down the entire election and that of the pasts into blue versus red. Slapping fake cynical slogans that can be so easily debunked like ''defunding the police'' in association to the Law & Order theme.
And yet, people fell for it. Why? The same crap was pulled in the UK/Brexit, where lies upon lies were shovelled on to the electorates. All easily debunked. But they also had jingoistic slogans that tugged at the most base of heartstrings -- one's identity.
That all first started when Trump first emerged down the escalator of that gaudy building.
Ultimately, both sides; if you take off your red/blue hats, and listen to the respective rhetoric people have espoused, they all want the same things. Peace, prosperity and health etc.
Its funny you mention Bernie -- if the messages were manipulated differently, the Trump supporters would all buy into what he has to offer.
But Bernie being the honourable soul that he is, did not feel the need to do the same despite being very focused on his own views and agenda.
How they are being manipulated to get to those goals differ. Thus the article.
btw Why is the 'wave of progressivism' so bad for the country? Politics is reactionary. Folks are clearly angry at the current status quo.
The last 30 years the middle class has been slowly sinking whilst the top 1% are doing better and better progressively.
How did the country vote someone as disdainful as a Trump despite middle-class being suffocated? (Or if Bernie was less honourable, a Bernie?)
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That means there were a few more with an even lower IQ then.
The “wave” of progressivism is a puddle, as demonstrated by the election. The trump following dwarfs the radical left. Aoc (and the like) is a gadfly and nothing more. They’re antithetical to America.
Agreed. But I think we can begin to define populists and populism for what it isn't. You wont find many populists among those who think government and policy should be run from the top down by using only studies and data. .
Clearly, they arent since these have been voted in or in the case of Bernie, and for a decade and more.
They have been made convenient scapegoats or caricatures.
The country has been sliding too far to the right. There is a historical context. Its not a fixed position. Reagan was considered far-right back then and yet in today's context, he would be a centrist.
People are getting tired of the crap and want it pulled back.
That's why they voted in a fake billionaire in desperation. They are hoping for improvements in their pocketbooks. Not political positions.
Like the silly argument of socialist versus capitalist. Its so stupid that ought to be insulting to anyone that had a college degree. We all live in mixed economies.
Its all any issue of gradations of grey. And yet they are always used to paint some politician.
Triggering the electorates.
They have been voted in locally/regionally and never been more than a gadfly bc again they are antithetical to America. trump would defeat a Bernie aoc ticket 100 out of 100 times. The aoc rhetoric cost seats in Congress and Biden votes
One definition of a populist would be a person who believes in what they call common sense.
In the minds of many who consider themselves to have a God given ability to function intellectually combined with life's experiences they feel superior in electing a person seeking office. Superior because an elitist who studies scientific data usually knows nothing about the real life of himself and other patriotic hard working Americans.
These elitists are many times referred to as socialists, progressives, anarchists, and liberals. Just to name a few labels.
In my view, the common sense folks to which I refer are pretty much running the country. Furthermore although Trumpism may have lost this past election, the common sense guys seem to have added another notch on their belts.
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Youve been listening since the 80s? Bullshit.
And yeast, distance delegitimizes perspective. You don’t have the people here. You don’t have family who live it. You don’t walk into the local business that is suffering. You have no clue. Zero. None.
The Democrats as a whole are a dam ready to break and let loose the floodgates of progressivism. Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, they’re all fine people trying to hole back what they know is really coming behind them, a swath of radicalism that is not American and awful politics.
You live in a utopia. Enjoy it. Don’t worry about us, we’ll be fine. Without you and your sniping.
I think this election, states, National showed that dam is still fortified - thankfully
I have asked myself the same question, how does Trump even get more than 10% of the vote? I guess they actually buy into his BS lies and rhetoric.What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate
“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?
It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.
One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.
Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.
In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.
Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.
Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.
Coming Danger
“Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.
However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.
The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.
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Wow! So much anger again!!
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Chill dude! I am only some anonymous keyboard warrior. I would be quite concerned if I was meeting you in real life.
FYI. part of the family's in NYC -- Trump was hated back in the 80s there already for the crap he was pulling with Koch.
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Don’t tell me to chill. You chill. If life is so good where you’re at then GTF off this chat board and live your life.
It sucks being in the US right now from a politics standpoint but it isn’t for the reasons your foreign press tells you it is. It sucks because everything has turned binary due to simpletons and everything is so clear to the Trumpers or to the left Wokes. People are out cheering because a shitbird swamp monster just defeated an egotistical idiot - both of which are unqualified to do the job. But from Asia this seems to be the right choice.
I’m sure you have family in the US for which you fret and care. Perhaps it’s what I’ve been through in my former life, but I only give a shit for the four of us living in my house: my wife and my two sons. I sure as hell wouldn’t be worried about what was going on in Holland.
Biden seems more qualified for the job than practically any previous president-elect.
10 years ago. He’s too freaking old. And some of us aren’t thrilled with people who spend their entire adult lives being paid by taxpayers. I like biden but he’s hardly anyone to be excited about. And his vp is awful. McConnell pelosi and Biden will all be running the country at 80. That’s absurd
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It is what it is. The system is refusing to change.
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The questions that need to be asked are:
1) How did we get here?
2) How do we fix that?
I have said many times -- growing income inequality and citizens united. Plus stigmatisation/erosion of trust in government and taxation.
Gov't should have a low profile during good times. But needs to be in the forefront during bad times like pandemics, war etc.
However, as the consequence of the above-mentioned issues, it has limited ability to raise revenues or, their ability to affect adversities like a pandemic is more limited ie social trust/credit.
It's coming back to roost.
That has to rank as one of the funniest posts you have ever made. So the guy that stereotypes Mexicans as benefit-sucking rapists, demonized the first black president by (among other things) saying he wasn’t born in America, encouraged big white dudes with automatic weapons at rallies, etc., etc etc made skin color less important??? Much of his “brand” in rural and/or blue collar areas, as an example, is that “we” (ie white folk like me) will get the country back again. I just find it staggering that you think Trump has made, in any way/shape/or form, skin color less important.
So, you hate all those public school teachers out there?
Absolutely nothing you said has anything to do with his qualifications.
I did get you dislike him loud and clear though.
If there's one benefit of growing old it's wisdom, and the country could use a heavy dose of that right now. Our culture is too dismissive of the value of the elderly to our society, as evidence by the attitude of many to COVID.
Your resentment of public service is improvident. Particularly as we celebrate Veterans Day. But you are the guy who said it's all about the money.
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The ''protection of your parents'' here and the elderly was one of the key motivating points for the communication strategy when mandating the mask. Its been 7 months now that we have mandatory masks. (Its never been part of the culture here.)
Zero cases again today, and yesterday and the day before...
A lot of people have postulated that Biden was the only person from the D primary who could have beaten Trump. Looking at the numbers, that certainly seems possible.
What I’m getting at is that we the voters bear some responsibility here. Whether it’s Trump, or Biden, or Clinton, we get the candidates that appeal to us. We all seem to be part of the problem.
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I greatly value public service. I don’t count politicians in that regard
Stop. You aren’t really comparing politicians to school teachers are you? To be clear I respect and support and appreciate all civil servants. I don’t count fed politicians in the same breath as people working on the general schedule.
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