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Why did nearly 70 million people vote for Trump?

They want 24+ per hour for unskilled labor. Supply and demand, they're not worth it anymore. That's capitalism, the system most of them love. supported and voted for.

It's the strangest thing, you would think the poor and the bewildered would be questioning a system that they are losing to.

That's where the obvious manipulation comes into play, every day coming through their conservative media.

The left isn't trying to steal from you....the left is trying to help you and go directly to you.

I'm a capitalism believer to my core. The spirit of competition leads to great advancement and great wealth, but if left alone then it will be overwhelmed by greed (cough cough Healthcare).

We gotta put some guardrails that let's it soar but not go off the rails to where it hurts people critically.

We generate so much income as a country. We consume like a mofo so everyone wants to sell their shit here. We have power, leverage and wealth. We can afford to take care of our people better.

Our greatest stock market advances were under Reagan, Clinton and Obama. There is no socialist boogieman. We've been a blended economic system from the beginning (as someone said earlier, watching people on SS complain about socialism makes me turn my head like a dog wondering where a treat went).

Mark Cuban had an interesting welfare idea which was people got a government card say with a monthly $500 balance. At the beginning of each month the balance goes back to $500 depending on what you spent. So if you only spent $100, then the govt gives you back $100.

This ensures that people aren't just throwing money into savings (which was a major issue from the stimulus checks) and it guarantees that money is being circulated back into the economy which helps business owners.

That's a form of personal and corporate welfare. That's socialism and capitalism.

Anyway, there are very smart people with great ideas that can be beneficial to our country but....we're so closed behind our lines.
 
Never been. I did really like Miami and Key Biscayne though. Spent a couple of weeks there on holiday a while ago. Interesting vibe.
My basic Spanish came in handy.
My favorite memory from travelling the keys was when we stopped at a McDonald's, and they had three cashiers working the counter - one who spoke English, one who spoke Spanish, and one who spoke French.

Edit: Just realized you are talking about Key Biscayne, which is not remotely the same thing.
 
My favorite memory from travelling the keys was when we stopped at a McDonald's, and they had three cashiers working the counter - one who spoke English, one who spoke Spanish, and one who spoke French.

Edit: Just realized you are talking about Key Biscayne, which is not remotely the same thing.

Same experience basically.

I like multi-culturalism. To be put in a situation where you can't speak the language is both challenging and fulfilling. Thats why I enjoy and yet fear moving places.
But its a process but fulfilling one because of its a new chapter in your life, rejuvenating -- less stale and monotonous.
 
What inroads? The minority population has become slightly less Democratic since Obama left office. Stop the presses! Among Blacks/Hispanics/Asians, Trump got 12/32/31. Know what Bush got in 2004? 11/44/44! Trump didn't make an inroads. All he did was benefit from some natural slippage.

You missed the point which is Trump made skin color less important as voting issue. That is a good thing.
 
You missed the point which is Trump made skin color less important as voting issue. That is a good thing.
He absolutely did not. He made skin color more important. The slight shift in minority voting was simply a reversion to the mean caused by him running against white people, as his severe underperformance compared to Bush clearly demonstrates.
 
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You missed the point which is Trump made skin color less important as voting issue. That is a good thing.
Nearly choked when I saw this. Black turnout suggests otherwise. And a significant driver among Trump support was opposition to BLACK Lives Matter.

As far as the OP, it's always the economy first. Trump benefited from a long run of job growth that people associated with him. Biden needs to look for opportunities to spur rural investment.

Not saying there aren't deep-seated prejudices, but those don't drive most people to get out and vote like we saw Tuesday.
 
What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
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How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate

“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

Bandy X. Lee

Lee's assessment is over the top and overstated but there are certainly space here study of why people attach their actual identities to a brand. Many Euro soccer fans are similar in dependency.
 
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Rural White America has some fears. I may believe some of them are BS (Mexican rapists and Antifa really are not going to rampage through rural America) but some of their fears need attention. Biden needs to hear them out. If I were advising Biden, find 50 chamber of commerce's from small towns across America and bring them together to get a picture of the problems and ideas for a solution. Then do the same for cities. Tie them together in one bill.

Democrats are screwed on the social issues question in small towns, but attacking the economic problems is something the Dems need to do.
It's not all rural "white" America.... I live in a very rural area with a 60:40 population breakdown. Trump won my county in a landslide. Nobody seems to believe me when I say there is literally no racial tension in my county. It's a rural mindset and has nothing to do with skin melanin.
 
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Nearly choked when I saw this. Black turnout suggests otherwise. And a significant driver among Trump support was opposition to BLACK Lives Matter.

As far as the OP, it's always the economy first. Trump benefited from a long run of job growth that people associated with him. Biden needs to look for opportunities to spur rural investment.

Not saying there aren't deep-seated prejudices, but those don't drive most people to get out and vote like we saw Tuesday.
The Trump support against BLM was not Trump support against dark skinned people. Not all melanin-enhanced folks believe in BLM, especially in rural areas.
 
Our problem as a country is not black vs. white.... it is economically advantaged vs. economically suppressed. It is urban vs. rural. The sooner people quit trying to make it about skin color the sooner we can actually deal with the real issues.
 
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There is no post Trump era. There was no Trump era. The reasons I and millions of other people voted for somebody who holds Trump's views existed before Trump ever came down the escalator and will exist far into the future. You find a "cult" out of thin air, yet you define Trump's term in office as an "era"? Sounds to me that Brandy Lee needs to write about herself, you, and millions of others.

Yes, America has always had populists. John Birchers and Know Nothings did pre-date Trump. But Trump gathered them into the GOP.

Until Trump, I never knew you feared the tri-lateral commission, the Rockefeller family. It does make sense as to why, when groups like 4-chan came up, your answer was always, "I know nothing".
 
People tend to predict the future by extrapolating the present. That is never very accurate. This whole idea of white males feeling neutered is perfect example. I think I agree that certain kinds of people feel neutered or helpless in the face of special interests, influence peddlers and rent seekers who have learned to buy the government that serves their interests. Trump's inroads into the minority voters this election shows that feeling is not about skin color but is about other commonalities. It remains to be seen whether the GOP can exploit what Trump has started and continue with governing for the people instead of for the foreign and domestic moneyed interests.

as if special interests were a new thing. Lol. And per usual, you just can’t bring yourself to talk about race. It’s comical. And hammers home our point.
 
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Nearly choked when I saw this. Black turnout suggests otherwise. And a significant driver among Trump support was opposition to BLACK Lives Matter.

As far as the OP, it's always the economy first. Trump benefited from a long run of job growth that people associated with him. Biden needs to look for opportunities to spur rural investment.

Not saying there aren't deep-seated prejudices, but those don't drive most people to get out and vote like we saw Tuesday.

It's the strangest thing, you would think the poor and the bewildered would be questioning a system that they are losing to.

That's where the obvious manipulation comes into play, every day coming through their conservative media.

The left isn't trying to steal from you....the left is trying to help you and go directly to you.

I'm a capitalism believer to my core. The spirit of competition leads to great advancement and great wealth, but if left alone then it will be overwhelmed by greed (cough cough Healthcare).

We gotta put some guardrails that let's it soar but not go off the rails to where it hurts people critically.

We generate so much income as a country. We consume like a mofo so everyone wants to sell their shit here. We have power, leverage and wealth. We can afford to take care of our people better.

Our greatest stock market advances were under Reagan, Clinton and Obama. There is no socialist boogieman. We've been a blended economic system from the beginning (as someone said earlier, watching people on SS complain about socialism makes me turn my head like a dog wondering where a treat went).

Mark Cuban had an interesting welfare idea which was people got a government card say with a monthly $500 balance. At the beginning of each month the balance goes back to $500 depending on what you spent. So if you only spent $100, then the govt gives you back $100.

This ensures that people aren't just throwing money into savings (which was a major issue from the stimulus checks) and it guarantees that money is being circulated back into the economy which helps business owners.

That's a form of personal and corporate welfare. That's socialism and capitalism.

Anyway, there are very smart people with great ideas that can be beneficial to our country but....we're so closed behind our lines.
For starters I think the slogan black lives matter and defund the police scared a whole lot of people. Beto O'Rourke saying we're going to take your guns didn't help either. The gang of four along with Bernie Sanders want to get rid of a democracy and replace it with socialism. Sleepy Joe Biden has dementia and is afraid to come out of his basement. Covid-19 is totally harmless to 99% of Americans. Donald Trump has almost finished building the wall that Mexico is going to pay for. The vaccine is going to be ready momentarily and it's going to be beautiful. Our economy is taking off. Economically next year is going to be the best year ever. If you want to see how well this economy is doing just look at the stock market! Donald Trump has made our borders safe again! China is paying for the tariffs. Only Donald Trump can bring back are jobs from overseas. Clean Coal is beautiful. Covid-19 is behind us. Thank God Trump shut down the borders. Obama and Biden left the country high and dry with no ventilators and no masks. Trump is going to save the suburbs from the real deplorables and we know who they really are. And he is also going to put your husband's back to work. God Bless the USA. Merry Christmas everybody! Our airports in Washington have now been secure for over 200 years! Only Donald Trump's quick actions saved over 2 million lives from the China virus
 
lmao that old dog cavani. 3 on the board for ya
Thats the thing about this team -- they play well against big teams who are favourites or when they need to win. Young squad -- youngest team in the league. Hopefully they will get more consistent. Great going forward but the back four is always up for a brain fart.
 
Thats the thing about this team -- they play well against big teams who are favourites or when they need to win. Young squad -- youngest team in the league. Hopefully they will get more consistent. Great going forward but the back four is always up for a brain fart.
Agreed!!! No james hurts Everton. Anyway. Time for some real soccer. Messi 😉
 
Lee's assessment is over the top and overstated but there are certainly space here study of why people attach their actual identities to a brand. Many Euro soccer fans are similar in dependency.
Thats a different conversation which I can go into depth. But very interesting.

How Soccer Explains the World


But its footie night for me -- my team just played but there are a few more decent matches coming up.
 
What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
trump-supporters.jpg

How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate

“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

Bandy X. Lee
30 million voted for him because they think he agrees with their racism, 20 million because their church told them to, 15 million because they have IQ's below 90,and 3 million because they liked the apprentice
 
What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
trump-supporters.jpg

How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate

“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

Bandy X. Lee

An important question but there is something even more concerning as we approach the end of 2020. As if there hasn’t been enough messed up shit this year, Michigan is playing at IU in football today and IU is the higher ranked team. We are in strange times that we cannot comprehend.
 
that's one group that you are familiar with which probably is rationale based on your familiarity and experiences. They are only symptomatic issues. How many of that are those? I can even name a few of them here. You know who you are! You and the rappers have that same perspective.

How do you explain the group with the cult-like devotion? And there are millions.

How the evangelicals rationalised their support for Trump?

There there are those who seem to see fear in everything -- Biden will make the world a socialist paradise or BLM or caravans of brown folks etc. There are a few here too.

How do you go forward with those guys still aground but now even angrier than before thinking that they have been cheated out of their saviour's ambitions?

Then those who think they are saving the nation through more forceful means?

My primary thought process always starts with the question 'why?' Not how yet.

My own perspective -- I could never vote for a racist regardless of how much a tax break he gives me. I would feel I would be selling out my values or my moral code.
Choice of racist versus a socialist -- I would gladly take the latter. (Not saying Biden is a socialist -- far from it.) But that's just me.
You mastered The Buck, freeing yourself spiritually (not “selling out my values or my moral code”). McM mastered The Buck by subordinating his soul to it, thus enslaving himself spiritually (“Yes, I’m jaded). Trump’s adulating evangelical supporters are actually spiritually lost. Trump filled the void left by their preachers.

McM relates to these people better than you because they have that void in common.
 
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A neighbor who together with his wife earn about $120,000 a year summed up his feelings about Trump and Biden in a conversation on election night.

Biden will raise his taxes and shut down the economy over Covid which will lower the family incomes. Also he and the wife enjoy eating out four or five times a week. A shutdown will affect this important part of their lives which provides balance to their otherwise hard working existence.

Trump, in contrast to Biden, isn't the typical politician. Trump acts and speaks more like a person with common sense who knows what is good for America and most Americans.
 
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A neighbor who together with his wife earn about $120,000 a year summed up his feelings about Trump and Biden in a conversation on election night.

Biden will raise his taxes and shut down the economy over Covid which will lower the family incomes. Also he and the wife enjoy eating out four or five times a week. A shutdown will affect this important part of their lives which provides balance to their otherwise hard working existence.

Trump, in contrast to Biden, isn't the typical politician. Trump acts and speaks more like a person with common sense who knows what is good for America and most Americans.
Or shutdown your business. Or pile on taxes and alternative taxes and social security if you make over the cap etc. and give that money to people who think nothing of spending a 100 million dollars on a race they have zero chance of winning bc they are terrible stewards and don’t value money they don’t earn. Why value you it when you can get it from earners by taxing them.

On a personal note you have a knack for writing very plainly and simply. It’s a quality. I don’t know what you do for a living but judges would love you
 
A neighbor who together with his wife earn about $120,000 a year summed up his feelings about Trump and Biden in a conversation on election night.

Biden will raise his taxes and shut down the economy over Covid which will lower the family incomes. Also he and the wife enjoy eating out four or five times a week. A shutdown will affect this important part of their lives which provides balance to their otherwise hard working existence.

Trump, in contrast to Biden, isn't the typical politician. Trump acts and speaks more like a person with common sense who knows what is good for America and most Americans.
Your neighbor doesn’t think for himself. He believes the bs talking point lies about Biden. He’s also not facing the reality of covid.

In reality, Biden will more likely get us back to normal sooner thus helping your neighbor’s business. Of course, your neighbor might be called upon to do his civic duty and wear a mask when around others. Horrors!
 
A neighbor who together with his wife earn about $120,000 a year summed up his feelings about Trump and Biden in a conversation on election night.

Biden will raise his taxes and shut down the economy over Covid which will lower the family incomes. Also he and the wife enjoy eating out four or five times a week. A shutdown will affect this important part of their lives which provides balance to their otherwise hard working existence.

Trump, in contrast to Biden, isn't the typical politician. Trump acts and speaks more like a person with common sense who knows what is good for America and most Americans.
Your neighbor's comments illustrate a generalization I postulated some time ago -- a lot of people judge Biden by their fear as to what they think he will do while a lot of people judge Trump based on what he has done and said already.

From your post, anti-Biden points:
"will raise his taxes and shut down the economy"
"will lower the family incomes"
"will affect this important part of their lives"

From your post, pro-Trump points:
"isn't the typical politician"
"acts and speaks ... with common sense"
"knows what is good"

I.e. future tense vs. past or present tense.

It is very difficult to fortune-tell what a politician will actually do in the future, particularly when the House and Senate are controlled by different parties. Nonetheless, I think Trump conditioned his supporters to think they had clairvoyance about what Biden will do, and I think that's a big part of why they voted for Trump.
 
A neighbor who together with his wife earn about $120,000 a year summed up his feelings about Trump and Biden in a conversation on election night.

Biden will raise his taxes and shut down the economy over Covid which will lower the family incomes. Also he and the wife enjoy eating out four or five times a week. A shutdown will affect this important part of their lives which provides balance to their otherwise hard working existence.

Trump, in contrast to Biden, isn't the typical politician. Trump acts and speaks more like a person with common sense who knows what is good for America and most Americans.

I do think there were a lot of people who really fear Biden “shutting down” the country. For some it’s their livelihoods, which I get. For others, it’s because they want to eat at Applebee’s, which I don’t get. More troubling, these voters awarded Trump for his incompetence and total disregard for the pandemic. That’s a problem IMO.
 
I do think there were a lot of people who really fear Biden “shutting down” the country. For some it’s their livelihoods, which I get. For others, it’s because they want to eat at Applebee’s, which I don’t get. More troubling, these voters awarded Trump for his incompetence and total disregard for the pandemic. That’s a problem IMO.
Bottom line, Biden will have a golden opportunity to handle the pandemic well.

Trump had the same and obviously (in hindsight) threw away his second term with his abject failure.
 
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why did almost 70 mil vote for Trump?

that's easy, lack of a good alternative.

the working and middle class have been totally abandoned by both parties in favor of Wall St and the investor class.

Trump only talked the talk to them while doing the opposite, but he's the only one who even talked the talk.

the Dems could win both houses almost every term, as they once did, if they went backed to being the party of the working and middle class.

they aren't about to do that without a political gun to their head, as those who have controlled the GOP for 100 yrs, have controlled the DNC as well for the last 30 yrs.

owning both teams has it's advantages, including heads we win, tails they lose.
 
An important question but there is something even more concerning as we approach the end of 2020. As if there hasn’t been enough messed up shit this year, Michigan is playing at IU in football today and IU is the higher ranked team. We are in strange times that we cannot comprehend.

Are we now considered a football school? Strange times indeed.

My eyes just popped out of my head at that halftime score.

Did we start paying players? Lol
 
why did almost 70 mil vote for Trump?

that's easy, lack of a good alternative.

the working and middle class have been totally abandoned by both parties in favor of Wall St and the investor class.

Trump only talked the talk to them while doing the opposite, but he's the only one who even talked the talk.

the Dems could win both houses almost every term, as they once did, if they went backed to being the party of the working and middle class.

they aren't about to do that without a political gun to their head, as those who have controlled the GOP for 100 yrs, have controlled the DNC as well for the last 30 yrs.

owning both teams has it's advantages, including heads we win, tails they lose.

Maybe in ten to twenty years but right now your rhetoric is being weaponized against the party that you identify which has cost us in this election and damn near cost us the general.

So stop blaming the media, work on your messaging (which is awful) so you can first stop scaring 2/3rds of the country and get them to listen and open up to your movement.

It's a good movement. I just think you need to evolve from anger and revolution to rational explanation. Bernie's anger got you to mass awareness, now who is going to lead the movement to the critical mass phase of inclusion. Warren? Yang? El-Sayed? Or will you stay angry with Nina Turner?

AOC seemed to be a little softer in her rhetoric the past six months. Is she positioning herself for greater mass appeal?
 
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The Trump support against BLM was not Trump support against dark skinned people. Not all melanin-enhanced folks believe in BLM, especially in rural areas.

BLM is a victim of its own success. when every protest gets flagged as a "BLM" protest.

It served the anti-BLM story line when protesters acted badly. Especially among people willing to ignore the positive impact BLM has had with drawing attention to the cause of Black Americans.
 
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I do think there were a lot of people who really fear Biden “shutting down” the country. For some it’s their livelihoods, which I get. For others, it’s because they want to eat at Applebee’s, which I don’t get. More troubling, these voters awarded Trump for his incompetence and total disregard for the pandemic. That’s a problem IMO.
On the other hand, people around the world are celebrating Biden's victory.
 
BLM is a victim of its own success. when every protest gets flagged as a "BLM" protest.

It served the anti-BLM story line when protesters acted badly. Especially among people willing to ignore the positive impact BLM has had with drawing attention to the cause of Black Americans.
I actually agree with that entirely. See... GOP and Dems CAN have reasonable discussions. LOL
 
Yes, America has always had populists. John Birchers and Know Nothings did pre-date Trump. But Trump gathered them into the GOP.

Until Trump, I never knew you feared the tri-lateral commission, the Rockefeller family. It does make sense as to why, when groups like 4-chan came up, your answer was always, "I know nothing".
First, I don’t understand your references to tri-lateral commission, the Rockefeller’s, and John Birch Society. I sense there is a pejorative lurking there, but it’s over my head.

Second, What is the problem with populism playing a role in public policy?
 
First, I don’t understand your references to tri-lateral commission, the Rockefeller’s, and John Birch Society. I sense there is a pejorative lurking there, but it’s over my head.

Second, What is the problem with populism playing a role in public policy?

At your age you have no idea what the John Birch Society was? Just as Trump said he did not know who David Duke was, or did not know who the Proud Boys were, or Loeffler did not know about Access Hollywood. The "know nothing" code has been broken for a long time.

On edit, read about Ike's disdain of Republican poplists. His fear of them was the reason he ran for president.
 
I do think there were a lot of people who really fear Biden “shutting down” the country. For some it’s their livelihoods, which I get. For others, it’s because they want to eat at Applebee’s, which I don’t get. More troubling, these voters awarded Trump for his incompetence and total disregard for the pandemic. That’s a problem IMO.

I talked to a local restauranteur last evening and asked him what his plans were for the winter. He sounded really depressed. Outside heaters are a big investment which is a risk if Biden leads a national lock down. Plus he will need to go through some kind of bureaucratic waiver process to have the heaters under his tent. That will take 45 days or so. Plus the Colorado voters just passed a mandate for FMLA for all employers over 9. That burden starts in 2 years, right when he thinks he might get back on his feet after this pandemic. I feel sorry for him. He is debating whether to go through the angst of trying to stick it out or just walking away from his considerable investment in the place and saying f-ck it.
 
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At your age you have no idea what the John Birch Society was? Just as Trump said he did not know who David Duke was, or did not know who the Proud Boys were, or Loeffler did not know about Access Hollywood. The "know nothing" code has been broken for a long time.

On edit, read about Ike's disdain of Republican poplists. His fear of them was the reason he ran for president.

I know who John Birchers are. I have no clue about what your point is.

populism does not have a precise definition. Do you know who or what Ike was talking about? Did you read slogo’s link about all the Trump voters and mental illness? If that kind of academic nonsense is the opposite of populism, I’ll be a populist any time.
 
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