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What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
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How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate

“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

Bandy X. Lee
 
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What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate


“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

Bandy X. Lee
Damnit!!
You're making me feel sorry for VSM. I realize it's simplistic on my part to just label him a moron but I shouldn't have to feel bad for him.
 
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Rural White America has some fears. I may believe some of them are BS (Mexican rapists and Antifa really are not going to rampage through rural America) but some of their fears need attention. Biden needs to hear them out. If I were advising Biden, find 50 chamber of commerce's from small towns across America and bring them together to get a picture of the problems and ideas for a solution. Then do the same for cities. Tie them together in one bill.

Democrats are screwed on the social issues question in small towns, but attacking the economic problems is something the Dems need to do.
 
Rural White America has some fears. I may believe some of them are BS (Mexican rapists and Antifa really are not going to rampage through rural America) but some of their fears need attention. Biden needs to hear them out. If I were advising Biden, find 50 chamber of commerce's from small towns across America and bring them together to get a picture of the problems and ideas for a solution. Then do the same for cities. Tie them together in one bill.

Democrats are screwed on the social issues question in small towns, but attacking the economic problems is something the Dems need to do.


As the doctor/writer has said; it's an exposure to a long term manipulation which has altered their view of the world -- in many cases, its diametrically opposite of factual reality. Even the language used is foreign. Just getting together the leaders of rural communities is too superficial.
Like getting free money from the government isn't socialist but Biden is?
There has to be some subtle social de-programming -- I said before, the education system is teaching anachronistic things based on the cold war. Black & white, binary when we live in a multipolar world where most things are grey rather than Black & white.

Cuban-Americans voted against Biden because he was accused of being a Castro-puppet/socialist. All manipulation and triggered.
 
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As the doctor/writer has said; it's an exposure to a long term manipulation which has altered their view of the world -- in many cases, its diametrically opposite of factual reality. Even the language used is foreign. Just getting together the leaders of rural communities is too superficial.
Like getting free money from the government isn't socialist but Biden is?
There has to be some subtle de-programming.

I do not know how to get tpeople over their abject fear of socialism. Somehow the people on disability or Medicare or Social Security find socialism as a horror. I do not know how they can be shown the disconnect of having Medicare and fearing socialism.

But government can address the problems that do exist, and should. A couple friends from high school stayed in my home town and went to factories after graduation. Their pay and job security have not been what they would like in the past 40 years. I know their frustration. We know unions have been deranged. We know the specter of "we are moving the factory to ..." hangs over their heads.

Somehow Dems need to make that type of person feel their concerns ate being heard. The same for the small business owners.

I have mentioned in the past that studies show poverty can lower IQ, I suspect job insecurity also makes a difference. That is impacting people.
 
Rural White America has some fears. I may believe some of them are BS (Mexican rapists and Antifa really are not going to rampage through rural America) but some of their fears need attention. Biden needs to hear them out. If I were advising Biden, find 50 chamber of commerce's from small towns across America and bring them together to get a picture of the problems and ideas for a solution. Then do the same for cities. Tie them together in one bill.

Democrats are screwed on the social issues question in small towns, but attacking the economic problems is something the Dems need to do.

think it’s bigger than that. Between post-industrialization and the rewrite of the American social contract after the civil rights movement began, a huge swath of white males in this country feel neutered, rightly or wrongly. They grew up in families supported by good union jobs or viable family farms. They’ve been told liberal politicians and globalist elites took that away from them. In reality the rest of the world just rebuilt after WW2 and the US could no longer compete against developing nations for low-tech manufacturing. Automation didn’t do them any favors either. Long story short, I don’t think this demographic goes away quickly or quietly. And since Americans seem to not mind untamed wealth inequality, we’ll likely just expand the demo.

Anyway, my two cents.
 
What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
trump-supporters.jpg

How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate

“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

Bandy X. Lee
One of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. making something simple overly complicated. As tommy cracker wrote: the answer rests in self interest. It’s not trump; it’s his promises. Tax cuts people think equates to more money in their accounts. Defund police they associate as liberal when they prefer safety. Make America great again they equate with an emphasis on jobs. The kind of jobs people had when America was great. High paying manufacturing. They don’t want social programs and gov healthcare and help. They want a job that they feel like they can provide all of those things for themselves. Whether it’s realistic or not. Woke cancel culture pc they equate with limiting expression. I could go on and. This article with so much of this ilk is silly bs and leaves little to the imagination as to why 70 mil don’t want to hear from libs. You realize the Dems did terrible in the house and nothing in the senate right? Trump wasn’t running in those races. 22 states are controlled by repub govs and both houses. Articles like this are totally bereft. Dems have a messaging problem. Are they woke? Are they blm? Are they raising taxes? Are they against fracking? Are they anti cop?
 
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think it’s bigger than that. Between post-industrialization and the rewrite of the American social contract after the civil rights movement began, a huge swath of white males in this country feel neutered, rightly or wrongly. They grew up in families supported by good union jobs or viable family farms. They’ve been told liberal politicians and globalist elites took that away from them. In reality the rest of the world just rebuilt after WW2 and the US could no longer compete against developing nations for low-tech manufacturing. Automation didn’t do them any favors either. Long story short, I don’t think this demographic goes away quickly or quietly. And since Americans seem to not mind untamed wealth inequality, we’ll likely just expand the demo.

Anyway, my two cents.

For sure. The difference in quality of life from that generations union gigs to service sector gigs is night and day.
 
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think it’s bigger than that. Between post-industrialization and the rewrite of the American social contract after the civil rights movement began, a huge swath of white males in this country feel neutered, rightly or wrongly. They grew up in families supported by good union jobs or viable family farms. They’ve been told liberal politicians and globalist elites took that away from them. In reality the rest of the world just rebuilt after WW2 and the US could no longer compete against developing nations for low-tech manufacturing. Automation didn’t do them any favors either. Long story short, I don’t think this demographic goes away quickly or quietly. And since Americans seem to not mind untamed wealth inequality, we’ll likely just expand the demo.

Anyway, my two cents.

I like your mention of automation. Automation is a big killer there is no cure for. A couple years ago I linked a video of a car being built, it was hard to find humans.

I do not want the thread to jump the shark, so I will just say we are often imprecise in our language. Often racism and anti immigrant is really a form of resentment, not hatred. People can Google racial resentment.

At heart I am an optimist. These people can be reached, Biden needs to find a way to start the bridge. He speaks of Scranton, he can do it.
 
I like your mention of automation. Automation is a big killer there is no cure for. A couple years ago I linked a video of a car being built, it was hard to find humans.

I do not want the thread to jump the shark, so I will just say we are often imprecise in our language. Often racism and anti immigrant is really a form of resentment, not hatred. People can Google racial resentment.

At heart I am an optimist. These people can be reached, Biden needs to find a way to start the bridge. He speaks of Scranton, he can do it.
No Marv this isn’t hijacking this is the rationale and what happened to how people feel and vote. The cult , pathology stuff is bereft of any logic. It’s as pathological as the claim itself. Ironic. What you and Hondo right about the changing economy and opportunities is spot on in how people feel and vote
 
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I like your mention of automation. Automation is a big killer there is no cure for. A couple years ago I linked a video of a car being built, it was hard to find humans.

I do not want the thread to jump the shark, so I will just say we are often imprecise in our language. Often racism and anti immigrant is really a form of resentment, not hatred. People can Google racial resentment.

At heart I am an optimist. These people can be reached, Biden needs to find a way to start the bridge. He speaks of Scranton, he can do it.

Automation: read an interesting take by some “futurist” who thinks we’ll inevitably tax the use of robots to help cover the cost of displaced humans. Heady shit.
 
No Marv this isn’t hijacking this is the rationale and what happened to how people feel and vote. The cult , pathology stuff is bereft of any logic. It’s as pathological as the claim itself. Ironic. What you and Hondo right about the changing economy and opportunities is spot on in how people feel and vote

I am going to perhaps slightly disagree. There are some members of the cult. Those that said Obama was a Kenyan Muslim or the Democratic Party is a front for Child sexploitation are members of a cult. But most are not. Populism tends to be a response to fear, we just need to solve that problem for most. For the remainder, I don't know.
 
I am going to perhaps slightly disagree. There are some members of the cult. Those that said Obama was a Kenyan Muslim or the Democratic Party is a front for Child sexploitation are members of a cult. But most are not. Populism tends to be a response to fear, we just need to solve that problem for most. For the remainder, I don't know.
There’s always a fraction. If there’s a cultish trick it’s that trump convinced people he could turn back the clock to better times - perceived or real
 
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One of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. making something simple overly complicated. As tommy cracker wrote: the answer rests in self interest. It’s not trump; it’s his promises. Tax cuts people think equates to more money in their accounts. Defund police they associate as liberal when they prefer safety. Make America great again they equate with an emphasis on jobs. The kind of jobs people had when America was great. High paying manufacturing. Woke cancel culture pc they equate with limiting expression. I could go on and. This article with so much of this ilk is silly bs and leaves little to the imagination as to why 70 mil don’t want to hear from libs. You realize the Dems did terrible in the house and nothing in the senate right? Trump wasn’t running in those races. 22 states are controlled by repub govs and both houses. Articles like this are totally bereft. Dems have a messaging problem. Are they woke? Are they blm? Are they raising taxes? Are they against fracking? Are they anti cop?

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You have never taken any psy classes or even buyer behaviour classes.

Understanding why people do the things they do is critical in any business. Otherwise what you are suggesting to people when you are selling something is akin to just price. Cheap and people will buy.

That's not the only thing that drives people.

Its not as basic as you had suggested. It goes much deeper.

Take this as an example:

 
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You’re obsessed with trump and hell bent on lumping 70 million people together. Doesn’t work like that sgl. It’s not monolithic. Tens of millions vote for myriad reasons having little to do with trump. I know people who vote solely over abortion.

I am not obsessed with him. Disgust yes.

But in this post Trump era, I am curious ... curious by nature which also explains my wide range of topics or interest that I have.

You may be disinterested in understanding why 70million folks voted for him -- to me its an intellectual curiosity why something thing so irrational can happen right in front of our faces.

Its something I use for work on too. I have developed a behaviour modification platform for chronic disease management (for the elderly) -- which merges psychology/pedagogies into software and a hardware platform. That includes profiling.

So if you think its Trump all about, go ahead.

To me, I am looking past Trump but he has been the catalyst that both sparks my interest in social behaviour now and the combination of disgust.

Go watch the Apple video and learn something on it.
 
I am not obsessed with him. Disgust yes.

But in this post Trump era, I am curious ... curious by nature which also explains my wide range of topics or interest that I have.

You may be disinterested in understanding why 70million folks voted for him -- to me its an intellectual curiosity why something thing so irrational can happen right in front of our faces.

Its something I use for work on too. I have developed a behaviour modification platform for chronic disease management (for the elderly) -- which merges psychology/pedagogies into software and a hardware platform. That includes profiling.

So if you think its Trump all about, go ahead.

To me, I am looking past Trump but he has been the catalyst that both sparks my interest in social behaviour now and the combination of disgust.

Go watch the Apple video and learn something on it.
Gotcha. It’s irrational to you. Not to 70 million people. Those people think voting dem is irrational. The myriad promises from big (tax cuts) to small (hospital bill transparency) are why people voted for him. Further some can separate the vile man from the stated goals etc. if you listed the policies of the two candidates side by side in a blind test I would choose trump’s all day long. Self interest sure. But I also have little faith in the gov doing good work - I’d rather give to charity/private entities
 
Gotcha. It’s irrational to you. Not to 70 million people. Those people think voting dem is irrational. The myriad promises from big (tax cuts) to small (hospital bill transparency) are why people voted for him. Further some can separate the vile man from the stated goals etc

that's one group that you are familiar with which probably is rationale based on your familiarity and experiences. They are only symptomatic issues. How many of that are those? I can even name a few of them here. You know who you are! You and the rappers have that same perspective.

How do you explain the group with the cult-like devotion? And there are millions.

How the evangelicals rationalised their support for Trump?

There there are those who seem to see fear in everything -- Biden will make the world a socialist paradise or BLM or caravans of brown folks etc. There are a few here too.

How do you go forward with those guys still aground but now even angrier than before thinking that they have been cheated out of their saviour's ambitions?

Then those who think they are saving the nation through more forceful means?

My primary thought process always starts with the question 'why?' Not how yet.

My own perspective -- I could never vote for a racist regardless of how much a tax break he gives me. I would feel I would be selling out my values or my moral code.
Choice of racist versus a socialist -- I would gladly take the latter. (Not saying Biden is a socialist -- far from it.) But that's just me.
 
that's one group that you are familiar with which probably is rationale based on your familiarity and experiences. They are only symptomatic issues. How many of that are those? I can even name a few of them here. You know who you are! You and the rappers have that same perspective.

How do you explain the group with the cult-like devotion? And there are millions.

How the evangelicals rationalised their support for Trump?

There there are those who seem to see fear in everything -- Biden will make the world a socialist paradise or BLM or caravans of brown folks etc. There are a few here too.

How do you go forward with those guys still aground but now even angrier than before thinking that they have been cheated out of their saviour's ambitions?

Then those who think they are saving the nation through more forceful means?

My primary thought process always starts with the question 'why?' Not how yet.

My own perspective -- I could never vote for a racist regardless of how much a tax break he gives me. I would feel I would be selling out my values or my moral code.
Choice of racist versus a socialist -- I would gladly take the latter. (Not saying Biden is a socialist -- far from it.) But that's just me.
No doubt there are millions who are simply nuts. But that cuts both ways. And racism is a label. Maybe trump is a racist but maybe his policies have a beneficial impact on blacks. Prison reform. Jobs etc. my sole point in this is that people can separate the person from policies and that there are myriad reasons why someone gets a vote other than the guy personally. What if trump’s a racist but we find out hypothetically his policies had better outcomes in black communities than dem policies? Would you still vote dem in that hypo? I care more about policies and outcomes than the messenger. And I’ll tell you as a brother in the Futbol world I didn’t vote for trump. But I didn’t vote for biden either. Now rest up. United is the early one tomorrow
 
Rural White America has some fears. I may believe some of them are BS (Mexican rapists and Antifa really are not going to rampage through rural America) but some of their fears need attention. Biden needs to hear them out. If I were advising Biden, find 50 chamber of commerce's from small towns across America and bring them together to get a picture of the problems and ideas for a solution. Then do the same for cities. Tie them together in one bill.

Democrats are screwed on the social issues question in small towns, but attacking the economic problems is something the Dems need to do.

One of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. making something simple overly complicated. As tommy cracker wrote: the answer rests in self interest. It’s not trump; it’s his promises. Tax cuts people think equates to more money in their accounts. Defund police they associate as liberal when they prefer safety. Make America great again they equate with an emphasis on jobs. The kind of jobs people had when America was great. High paying manufacturing. They don’t want social programs and gov healthcare and help. They want a job that they feel like they can provide all of those things for themselves. Woke cancel culture pc they equate with limiting expression. I could go on and. This article with so much of this ilk is silly bs and leaves little to the imagination as to why 70 mil don’t want to hear from libs. You realize the Dems did terrible in the house and nothing in the senate right? Trump wasn’t running in those races. 22 states are controlled by repub govs and both houses. Articles like this are totally bereft. Dems have a messaging problem. Are they woke? Are they blm? Are they raising taxes? Are they against fracking? Are they anti cop?
They want 24+ per hour for unskilled labor. Supply and demand, they're not worth it anymore. That's capitalism, the system most of them love. supported and voted for.
 
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No doubt there are millions who are simply nuts. But that cuts both ways. And racism is a label. Maybe trump is a racist but maybe his policies have a beneficial impact on blacks. Prison reform. Jobs etc. my sole point in this is that people can separate the person from policies and that there are myriad reasons why someone gets a vote other than the guy personally. What if trump’s a racist but we find out hypothetically his policies had better outcomes in black communities than dem policies? Would you still vote dem in that hypo? I care more about policies and outcomes than the messenger. And I’ll tell you as a brother in the Futbol world I didn’t vote for trump. But I didn’t vote for biden either. Now rest up. United is the early one tomorrow
Ole loses this he is gone. Or he needs a better coaching staff. Can't beat a low block team
 
I think so too. I have mixed feelings. You?
He needs more time. The transfer window was a failure by the board. So he is paying the price. Plus it's the youngest team in the league do you will get Himalayan highs to death valley lows.
My reading of it is that they are planning to compete in 2 seasons with the moves they are making behind the scenes and the buying of the world's best U18 talent.
But fans today always think the grass is greener. Poch is the hipsters choice.
Fergie or even Klopp would have been sacked last season by now.
I do startups so i know the trials & tribulations that comes with the beginning but with the eye on the prize in the horizon.
Social media is killing the fan support.
 
He needs more time. The transfer window was a failure by the board. So he is paying the price. Plus it's the youngest team in the league do you will get Himalayan highs to death valley lows.
My reading of it is that they are planning to compete in 2 seasons with the moves they are making behind the scenes and the buying of the world's best U18 talent.
But fans today always think the grass is greener. Poch is the hipsters choice.
Fergie or even Klopp would have been sacked last season by now.
I do startups so i know the trials & tribulations that comes with the beginning but with the eye on the prize in the horizon.
Social media is killing the fan support.
Agreed on all fronts. They need three more starters around the great young talent. And you won’t like this but I have my reservations about maguire. And he was heavy bucks and I don’t know what you do with him. He’s by no means a bust but he’s not a winning champions league center back
 
Agreed on all fronts. They need three more starters around the great young talent. And you won’t like this but I have my reservations about maguire. And he was heavy bucks and I don’t know what you do with him. He’s by no means a bust but hwe’s not a winning champions league center back
You need a fast ball playing central defender next to him do you can play a higher line. Or add more in breaking down the low block. We have a couple of kids who have high potential. The need to be brought in, slowly. But not sure it's possible now with the pressure building up.
Low block teams is ole's kryptonite.
But it's all part of the foundational building blocks he has to develop.

Also I think mavguire has some emotional issues from what happened to him in Greece. Not all there.
 
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What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
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How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate

“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

Bandy X. Lee

I love how liberals post articles by liberals to tell other liberals on a forum of liberals why people vote the way they do.

Just a thought. Ask non-liberals on the forum and LISTEN. Seek first to understand, then be understood.
 
You need a fast ball playing central defender next to him do you can play a higher line. Or add more in breaking down the low block. We have a couple of kids who have high potential. The need to be brought in, slowly. But not sure it's possible now with the pressure building up.
Low block teams is ole's kryptonite.
But it's all part of the foundational building blocks he has to develop.

Also I think mavguire has some emotional issues from what happened to him in Greece. Not all there.
It’s funny too bc finding those little spaces for opportunistic goals was his mo as a player. That knack to find an inch when they’re packed in the low block. Coaching and playing don’t always translate.
 
What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
trump-supporters.jpg

How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate

“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

Bandy X. Lee

This is a really stupid article. Brandy Lee simply tracks Hillary's deplorable comment and Obama's bitter clinger arguments with academic jargon and psychobabble.

Here's the argument in much simpler language that posters here and other liberals have stated and restated eleventy million times.

"I'm a liberal and I am correct about everything. If you disagree with me, you can't be correct or reasonable. So you must be mentally ill, a racist, a deplorable, or you bitterly cling to your guns and Bibles because you can't possible be correct."
 
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It’s funny too bc finding those little spaces for opportunistic goals was his mo as a player. That knack to find an inch when they’re packed in the low block. Coaching and playing don’t always translate.

Back from lunch and was writing with my fat fingers on my mobile!
The game has changed a bit since he played. He played under a 4-4-2 system so poaching was easier once you had a world-class crosser like Beckham.
The game is now about throwing as many men forward starting from the ball playing center-backs; pressing at the top if you don't have the ball. (Quite different from the Trappotonni approach I think where strikers did nothing so they saved their energy for when it counted, in the pen box.)

And Ole beat two hipster coaches in Tuchal and Nagelsmann in one week. Yet Ole gets accused of being a one-trick pony -- a counter-attacking team -- which you can accuse Fergie of being one at times too if people were being honest.

Ole is a year or two away but I suspect he wont be given the time. He needs an upgrade on his coaching staff. Fergie always rotated the coach staff.
 
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But in this post Trump era,

There is no post Trump era. There was no Trump era. The reasons I and millions of other people voted for somebody who holds Trump's views existed before Trump ever came down the escalator and will exist far into the future. You find a "cult" out of thin air, yet you define Trump's term in office as an "era"? Sounds to me that Brandy Lee needs to write about herself, you, and millions of others.
 
Back from lunch and was writing with my fat fingers on my mobile!
The game has changed a bit since he played. He played under a 4-4-2 system so poaching was easier once you had a world-class crosser like Beckham.
The game is now about throwing as many men forward starting from the ball playing center-backs; pressing at the top if you don't have the ball. (Quite different from the Arigo Sactchi approach I think where strikers did nothing so they saved their energy for when it counted, in the pen box.)

And Ole beat two hipster coaches in Tuchal and Nagelsmann in one week. Yet Ole gets accused of being a one-trick pony -- a counter-attacking team -- which you can accuse Fergie of being one at times too if people were being honest.

Ole is a year or two away but I suspect he wont be given the time. He needs an upgrade on his coaching staff. Fergie always rotated the coach staff.
It’ll be interesting to see what the glazer fam does. I hope he gets time.
 
It’ll be interesting to see what the glazer fam does. I hope he gets time.

You know they are big pals with Trump right? Gave a few $$ to his campaign -- not like Adelson level of course.
The Glazers need to go. They have taken out over $1billion out of the club since they LBO in buying the club. Imagine where we would be without the leaches taking out all that $$.
 
think it’s bigger than that. Between post-industrialization and the rewrite of the American social contract after the civil rights movement began, a huge swath of white males in this country feel neutered, rightly or wrongly. They grew up in families supported by good union jobs or viable family farms. They’ve been told liberal politicians and globalist elites took that away from them. In reality the rest of the world just rebuilt after WW2 and the US could no longer compete against developing nations for low-tech manufacturing. Automation didn’t do them any favors either. Long story short, I don’t think this demographic goes away quickly or quietly. And since Americans seem to not mind untamed wealth inequality, we’ll likely just expand the demo.

Anyway, my two cents.

People tend to predict the future by extrapolating the present. That is never very accurate. This whole idea of white males feeling neutered is perfect example. I think I agree that certain kinds of people feel neutered or helpless in the face of special interests, influence peddlers and rent seekers who have learned to buy the government that serves their interests. Trump's inroads into the minority voters this election shows that feeling is not about skin color but is about other commonalities. It remains to be seen whether the GOP can exploit what Trump has started and continue with governing for the people instead of for the foreign and domestic moneyed interests.
 
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Must have smelled like sulphur emanating out of that house on a daily basis.
Lol. They actually didn’t get along. My old boss played football at FSU and said he almost knocked him out at the sailfish club. He’d get drunk and was a big dude. Palm beach is a strange place
 
People tend to predict the future by extrapolating the present. That is never very accurate. This whole idea of white males feeling neutered is perfect example. I think I agree that certain kinds of people feel neutered or helpless in the face of special interests, influence peddlers and rent seekers who have learned to buy the government that serves their interests. Trump's inroads into the minority voters this election shows that feeling is not about skin color but is about other commonalities. It remains to be seen whether the GOP can exploit what Trump has started and continue with governing for the people instead of for the foreign and domestic moneyed interests.
What inroads? The minority population has become slightly less Democratic since Obama left office. Stop the presses! Among Blacks/Hispanics/Asians, Trump got 12/32/31. Know what Bush got in 2004? 11/44/44! Trump didn't make an inroads. All he did was benefit from some natural slippage.
 
Lol. They actually didn’t get along. My old boss played football at FSU and said he almost knocked him out at the sailfish club. He’d get drunk and was a big dude. Palm beach is a strange place
Never been. I did really like Miami and Key Biscayne though. Spent a couple of weeks there on holiday a while ago. Interesting vibe.
My basic Spanish came in handy.
 
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