Agreed on all fronts marv. And maybe we still can. But you allow doctors to dictate policy you get ultra cautious responses that ignore broader concerns. It’s their training imo.
Why did nearly 70 million people vote for Trump?
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This is appalling. Your elitism and holier-than-thou attitude is disgusting and I hope you never return to this land until you grow the hell up.
People vote for trump for a million reasons - they vote against the democrats, against the incoming wave of progressivism that is not good for America. People vote againt Kamala Harris, who is the most radical senator other than Sanders. And yes there are some dickwad racists that vote for him. There are also people on the radical left that burn down businesses and shoot off duty cops. In Singapore does that mean all democrats are murderers?
Sen. Kamala Harris [D-CA]’s 2019 legislative statistics.
Ranked most politically left compared to All Senators, and other 2019 legislative statistics
www.govtrack.us
You don’t live here. You don’t get it. My friends abroad were like you until this election and now they realize (because they have common sense) that it isn’t always about Trump - it’s also about voting against the other team and is a sad reality of a two party system. They know, for some reason you don’t, that 70M people aren’t likely to be racist in aggregate. You can’t consider that, while you snipe from Asia?
way over thinking things and failure to adapt to new info are the problems.
olders are at risk, youngers relatively aren't.
that is fact.
yet we totally ignore that very relevant fact in our strategy.
financially and logistically enabling olders to lock down, while youngers resume normal life and near normal economy and quickly and relatively safely develop herd immunity within their universe, would have been the smart approach once we learned of the 2 universes.
Trumpers aren't the only idiots here.
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It is funny, a place I used to work everyone hated to run any new idea past legal. It was joked their concept of risk management was to say no to everything.
Responding to “It is frustrating because over and over I say I am not for massive lockdowns and it seems ignored.” In other words, most conservative posters here persist with using bs talking points as premises for their arguments. Not saying you do.
Heels up!This is appalling. Your elitism and holier-than-thou attitude is disgusting and I hope you never return to this land until you grow the hell up.
People vote for trump for a million reasons - they vote against the democrats, against the incoming wave of progressivism that is not good for America. People vote againt Kamala Harris, who is the most radical senator other than Sanders. And yes there are some dickwad racists that vote for him. There are also people on the radical left that burn down businesses and shoot off duty cops. In Singapore does that mean all democrats are murderers?
Sen. Kamala Harris [D-CA]’s 2019 legislative statistics.
Ranked most politically left compared to All Senators, and other 2019 legislative statistics
You don’t live here. You don’t get it. My friends abroad were like you until this election and now they realize (because they have common sense) that it isn’t always about Trump - it’s also about voting against the other team and is a sad reality of a two party system. They know, for some reason you don’t, that 70M people aren’t likely to be racist in aggregate. You can’t consider that, while you snipe from Asia?
Right. Most Ds on this board dislike the choice of Biden. They harken to some polling to argue ‘most’ Americans want single payer or other far-left policy. That’s conjured nonsense. Most Americans are normal and want normal. I’d rephrase. It’s not our two-party system, it’s each party dominated by the extremes.This is appalling. Your elitism and holier-than-thou attitude is disgusting and I hope you never return to this land until you grow the hell up.
People vote for trump for a million reasons - they vote against the democrats, against the incoming wave of progressivism that is not good for America. People vote againt Kamala Harris, who is the most radical senator other than Sanders. And yes there are some dickwad racists that vote for him. There are also people on the radical left that burn down businesses and shoot off duty cops. In Singapore does that mean all democrats are murderers?
Sen. Kamala Harris [D-CA]’s 2019 legislative statistics.
Ranked most politically left compared to All Senators, and other 2019 legislative statistics
You don’t live here. You don’t get it. My friends abroad were like you until this election and now they realize (because they have common sense) that it isn’t always about Trump - it’s also about voting against the other team and is a sad reality of a two party system. They know, for some reason you don’t, that 70M people aren’t likely to be racist in aggregate. You can’t consider that, while you snipe from Asia?
Independents and moderate conservatives, aka normal Americans, are closer to the GOP than the DNP because the DNP is so far left. All the DNP really has to do to dominate politics and lift up the nation is focus on jobs. Sherrod Brown would win in a landslide.
Is that a meditation position you're using to settle your bowels, which are obviously in an uproar.
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If there were a way to keep the virus from crossing state lines, county lines and city limits, you'd probably be right.
But there isn't and you're not.
And he gets treated like shit on here. What’s that tell you about getting along with these folks anywhere in the country?
And republicans that voted against republicans in this election will most likely deal with some bad karma. These folks want no compromise and no opinion other than their own.
yep. we're very lucky to have COH. the board is largely made of leftwing whackos who supplanted their own brains with those of randoms on twitter. Rest assured my rankings going forward will reflect same.
yep. we're very lucky to have COH. the board is largely made of leftwing whackos who supplanted randoms on twitter for their own brains. Rest assured my rankings going forward will reflect same.
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Co made a comment on another board that suggested he loves to come here just to mess with people.
Co made a comment on another board that suggested he loves to come here just to mess with people.
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maybe he's lucy too
BTW, since you brought up tweets...
T.W.E.E.T. - Trump's Worst Ever Embarrassing Tweet
A March Madness-like bracket
I voted for Trump, he lost, meh life goes on. I think it’s not hard to justify voting for him tbh, I appreciated the tax cut, lack of foreign intervention, and his willingness to let Americans handle COVID individually and not cram down federal measures.What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
How Trump’s Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate
“What is wrong with 68 million Americans?” is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?
It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter since he has conditioned this into them.
One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.
Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.
In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into “the primitive brain,” which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person’s experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others “losers” and “suckers”, in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.
Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do, they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, “Fire Fauci!” is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump’s thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.
Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.
Coming Danger
“Shared psychosis” or “folie à millions” (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.
However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation’s top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a “Profile of a Nation,” to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.
The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our “Prescription for Survival,” first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote. As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.
Bandy X. Lee
I don’t think I suffer from mental illness but if my Democratic moral betters say so maybe I do?
maybe he's lucy too
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CO would be a better troll.
Before Trump, I thought I had CO figured as a classic principled conservative. I thought had read his Locke and Burke and watched/read William F Buckley as much as possible. I disagreed with him, but we got along fine.
But then with Trump he suddenly starts defending nationalism and populism. Our relationship has changed. And because I have Buckley's quote on nationalism handy, I will use it, “I’m as patriotic as anyone from sea to shining sea, but there’s not a molecule of nationalism in me.”
Ever been to Truchas New Mexico? Location for the film Milagro Beanfield War. The Santa Fe plaza is like no place else. Most of rural NM seems like another country. The Very Large Array (Contact) seems like another planet.
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i'm not going to be as articulate about this as i'd like marv, and because i'm doing too many things i won't choose my words as carefully as i'd like, but there is something about trump, his tenure, this summer, covid, this year, that has made politics more personal imo than usual. that there isn't a safe place for opinion like it's felt in years past, but that opinion feels more like an affront to the values etc people hold. ranger, who i find myself agreeing with often, sent a stinging reply to sgl's post today. i think that is emblematic of how many feel and i think IF COH trolls he does so because the opinions of the left feel like more than opinions they feel grating and personally insulting and you want to poke and get the sender's dander up. same goes for the other side. both ways. moving forward i hope we'll see less attacks, less snark, less inflammatory posts. And i’m Speaking for Coh which is wrong; just a general perception
i'm not going to be as articulate about this as i'd like marv, and because i'm doing too many things i won't choose my words as carefully as i'd like, but there is something about trump, his tenure, this summer, covid, this year, that has made politics more personal imo than usual. that there isn't a safe place for opinion like it's felt in years past, but that opinion feels more like an affront to the values etc people hold. ranger, who i find myself agreeing with often, sent a stinging reply to sgl's post today. i think that is emblematic of how many feel and i think IF COH trolls he does so because the opinions of the left feel like more than opinions they feel grating and personally insulting and you want to poke and get the sender's dander up. same goes for the other side. both ways. moving forward i hope we'll see less attacks, less snark, less inflammatory posts. And i’m Speaking for Coh which is wrong; just a general perception
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So talking about border control is talking about race? I think you are using race wherever you can. Our southern border has problems that we must not avoid. Many border patrol agents are Latino anyway.
i'm not going to be as articulate about this as i'd like, and because i'm doing too many things i won't choose my words as carefully as i'd like, but there is something about trump, his tenure, this summer, covid, this year, that has made politics more personal imo than usual. that there isn't a safe place for opinion like it's felt in years past, but that opinion feels more like an affront to the values etc people hold. ranger, who i find myself agreeing with often, sent a stinging reply to sgl's post today. i think that is emblematic of how many feel and i think IF COH trolls he does so because the opinions of the left feel like more than opinions they feel grating and personally insulting and you want to poke and get the sender's dander up. same goes for the other side. both ways. moving forward i hope we'll see less attacks, less snark, less inflammatory posts. And i’m Speaking for Coh which is wrong; just a general perception
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I think whether a post is trolling depends almost 100%,on the reader. I don’t think I am capable of being trolled. I think those who claim to have been trolled are using that as an avoidance technique.
That said, I don’t deny trying to stimulate a response to posts. . I think that makes for more interesting discussions. Maybe that’s a lesson embedded in me by the crusty old Socratic law professors.
i'm not going to be as articulate about this as i'd like marv, and because i'm doing too many things i won't choose my words as carefully as i'd like, but there is something about trump, his tenure, this summer, covid, this year, that has made politics more personal imo than usual. that there isn't a safe place for opinion like it's felt in years past, but that opinion feels more like an affront to the values etc people hold. ranger, who i find myself agreeing with often, sent a stinging reply to sgl's post today. i think that is emblematic of how many feel and i think IF COH trolls he does so because the opinions of the left feel like more than opinions they feel grating and personally insulting and you want to poke and get the sender's dander up. same goes for the other side. both ways. moving forward i hope we'll see less attacks, less snark, less inflammatory posts. And i’m Speaking for Coh which is wrong; just a general perception
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Both you and CO love baseball. Trump walks the bases after a home run. He taunts the pitcher. Playing 1st, he grabs a routine grounder and waits until the batter is almost there before stepping on the bag.
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Both you and CO love baseball. Trump walks the bases after a home run. He taunts the pitcher. Playing 1st, he grabs a routine grounder and waits until the batter is almost there before stepping on the bag.
Both you and CO love baseball. Trump walks the bases after a home run. He taunts the pitcher. Playing 1st, he grabs a routine grounder and waits until the batter is almost there before stepping on the bag.
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Don’t disagree with trump. But I can separate the messenger. I’ve worked for aholes, played for aholes, and don’t give it a lot of thought. I understand we want someone presidential. I do too. But outcomes matter most to me. And that’s why I didn’t vote for trump, not because of his boorish behavior. As an aside I HATE baseball; not easy in my hometown.
Don’t disagree with trump. But I can separate the messenger. I’ve worked for aholes, played for aholes, and don’t give it a lot of thought. I understand we want someone presidential. I do too. But outcomes matter most to me. And that’s why I didn’t vote for trump, not because of his boorish behavior. As an aside I HATE baseball; not easy in my hometown.
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Really, you don't find soccer more boring than watching molasses flowing uphill in February and you don't like baseball?
Really, you don't find soccer more boring than watching molasses flowing uphill in February and you don't like baseball?
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Soccer is full of nuance.
Why does this cause a change?
Regarding nationalism: I believe countries prioritizing self interests makes a better world over all. Kinda like competition instead of sameness improves all of us. That doesn’t mean using nationalism as an excuse to destroy others.
Regarding Populism: certainly the common interests of commoners should play a role in policy. But that doesn’t mean the French Revolutionaries’ style. The US was really the first government intended to put into practice a “consent of the governed” idea. We have definitely lost much of that. Policy makers who say we must “follow the science” is wrong on many levels. We must consider the science.
Sorry that you think these positions have caused a changed relationship. But I agree they have.
Soccer is full of nuance.
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But has anything ever happened in soccer? The movie My Dinner with Andre had nuance, but sooner or later one just wanted something to happen, anything.
But has anything ever happened in soccer? The movie My Dinner with Andre had nuance, but sooner or later one just wanted something to happen, anything.
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There’s a brilliant episode of the simpsons that captures your take. At one point crusty the clown stands up and screams DO SOMETHING
Nationalism - I listed the Buckley quote to illustrate nationalism<>patriotism. Nationalism leads to many of the board's discussion failures. We can't look at what other countries succeed at because clearly whatever we do is better. No need to consider anything else. Patriotism is not that, nationalism is.
You love nuance, when does populism display nuance? At its heart, populism needs someone to blame. On the left you hear "moneyed interests" here often. And many of us on the left push back. On the right, it is the foreigner who gets the blame.
The Germans took us to the moon. Yet we claim that as a US achievement. That’s nationalism. Nothing wrong there. I don’t understand the rest of your nationalism point because your description of nationalism is not reality in my view.
All politics needs a foil, whether a person or an idea. Populism isn’t different.
Trump did have a nationalist streak that empowered some dangerous types. Democrats have actual congresswomen that don’t believe in American exceptionalism. That is what really endangers us today.
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