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This thread is about how awful Democrats are. Every thing you post is about that.

Of course I'm posting about you. You suck.
Embedded in that post is a very important point…we need to reduce the fuel load. That is virtually impossible in some areas of the country because of the “environmentalists”

I’m an extreme advocate of controlled burns. This process needs to be adopted across the country. Especially in areas with evergreen forests and native grasslands.
 
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You need to look into the history of roads. Most early ones were built by private funding. Used to be toll roads to pay for roads from one town to another.

It's not like the government decided to build roads to support cars - early cars drove on old cart paths. It wasn't until later that government stepped in.

It turns out wealthy people loved their bikes, they and asphalt manufacturers lobbied hard and got paved roads built before cars. So it still was elite lobbying.

 
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Shit. Legislation for bubbas doesn’t do shit for city crime. That’s a black culture and liberal problem. Anti cop. Lifting bail. Lenient sentences. 150,000 blacks in the city will shoot more and kill more than all the people in West Virginia. Back out the black male demo you don’t have crime in cities. Go to county jail in a high crime city. Go sit through calling a confined docket. All black males. There are no background checks on the black market. 400 million guns already in circulation. Better than gun legislation have city amnesty day line they do for outstanding warrants. Show up with your gun get $$$. But it would take real money
 
Shit. Legislation for bubbas doesn’t do shit for city crime. That’s a black culture and liberal problem. Anti cop. Lifting bail. Lenient sentences. 150,000 blacks in the city will shoot more and kill more than all the people in West Virginia. Back out the black male demo you don’t have crime in cities. Go to county jail in a high crime city. Go sit through calling a confined docket. All black males. There are no background checks on the black market. 400 million guns already in circulation. Better than gun legislation have city amnesty day line they do for outstanding warrants. Show up with your gun get $$$. But it would take real money

What's your definition of black market?
 
Theft. Old straw purchases. Trade. Individual sales

It goes deeper than that though.

If someone does go through a background check and it gets delayed longer then 3 days, the seller can then turn the gun over whether they have the results back or not. In 2020, there was over 300,000 background checks like this that guns were handed over that didn't get completed, just in the first 9 months.

That's how Dylan Roof, the Charleston shooter got his gun.

 
It goes deeper than that though.

If someone does go through a background check and it gets delayed longer then 3 days, the seller can then turn the gun over whether they have the results back or not. In 2020, there was over 300,000 background checks like this that guns were handed over that didn't get completed, just in the first 9 months.

That's how Dylan Roof, the Charleston shooter got his gun.

I’m for background checks. Stiff regulation etc. the reality in cities struggling with violent crime is the guns are already in circulation
 
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I will agree with CO. in that lithium battery fires are a real concern. Cheap Chinese batteries may not be helping. Ten years from now let‘s see how frequent fires in old batteries are.
Lithium batteries are flammable. There are a number of ways a fire can be ignited. Manufacturing defects are just one. Others are battery damage and shorts in the device. The more energy we cram into a small package the more it resembles a bomb. That’s just physics.

The point of this thread is not to condemn lithium batteries per se. It’s about us. We were much more concerned about the Covair, the Pinto, and nuclear energy than we are about EV’s and other devices using these batteries. Yet we seemingly are not concerned about these devices even though they are more dangerous. Why is that? I think it’s information management and emotional manipulation—brainwashing.
 
Lithium batteries are flammable. There are a number of ways a fire can be ignited. Manufacturing defects are just one. Others are battery damage and shorts in the device. The more energy we cram into a small package the more it resembles a bomb. That’s just physics.

The point of this thread is not to condemn lithium batteries per se. It’s about us. We were much more concerned about the Covair, the Pinto, and nuclear energy than we are about EV’s and other devices using these batteries. Yet we seemingly are not concerned about these devices even though they are more dangerous. Why is that? I think it’s information management and emotional manipulation—brainwashing.
Do you carry a cell phone in your pocket?
 
Lithium batteries are flammable. There are a number of ways a fire can be ignited. Manufacturing defects are just one. Others are battery damage and shorts in the device. The more energy we cram into a small package the more it resembles a bomb. That’s just physics.

The point of this thread is not to condemn lithium batteries per se. It’s about us. We were much more concerned about the Covair, the Pinto, and nuclear energy than we are about EV’s and other devices using these batteries. Yet we seemingly are not concerned about these devices even though they are more dangerous. Why is that? I think it’s information management and emotiona manipulation—brainwashing.​
Data from the National Transportation Safety Board, Bureau of Transportation Statistics and recalls.gov shows that overall, lumping EVs and hybrids together compared to ICE cars, more ICE cars caught fire than EVs; 0.3% for EVs and 1.05% for ICE cars.​

 
Yes and it would be accurate.
No, not when they're the ones, especially in Indianapolis, dictating gun laws, or messing with funding for programs that help fund shelters. Not when they're ones defunding public schools, which in urban areas means schools that used to serve communities.
 
No, not when they're the ones, especially in Indianapolis, dictating gun laws,
The Democrats are all hung up on acquiring guns. The pressing problem, directly related to the increase of street gun violence, is laws about the use of guns. Since the summer of George Floyd, the Democrats and progressives have been singularly focused on criminal justice leniency. No cash bail, defunding police, statutory and administrative measures restricting police law enforcement authority, reduction in felonies, no more stop and frisk, decriminalization of drugs and petty offenders, and more, all result in more youth not being held accountable when accountability matters, and more crime. This direction is deliberate and is 100%. Democrat policy.

Yeah, I’m a rare conservative who favors more gun control, but that is a long term deal and doesn’t address urban violence anyway.

We need stop and frisk, We need on the spot confiscation of illegally possessed guns. We need jail for any one who possesses a gun while committing a felony.
 
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No, not when they're the ones, especially in Indianapolis, dictating gun laws, or messing with funding for programs that help fund shelters. Not when they're ones defunding public schools, which in urban areas means schools that used to serve communities.
Read up on the prosecutor mayor and cori bush in the most dangerous city in America and you’ll find your answer. Guns laws have zero to do with violent urban crime. Kids in gangs don’t need shelters.
 
The Democrats are all hung up on acquiring guns. The pressing problem, directly related to the increase of street gun violence, is laws about the use of guns. Since the summer of George Floyd, the Democrats and progressives have been singularly focused on criminal justice leniency. No cash bail, defunding police, statutory and administrative measures restricting police law enforcement authority, reduction in felonies, no more stop and frisk, decriminalization of drugs and petty offenders, and more, all result in more youth not being held accountable when accountability matters, and more crime. This direction is deliberate and is 100%. Democrat policy.

Yeah, I’m a rare conservative who favors more gun control, but that is a long term deal and doesn’t address urban violence anyway.

We need stop and frisk, We need on the spot confiscation of illegally possessed guns. We need jail for any one who possesses a gun while committing a felony.

In Indiana, we don't need a permit to conceal a gun.

Last time I checked, Indiana was a red state.
 
Thread is a good topic.

Too many personal, non-responsive responses by The Usual Infects. The Cooler has again become The Cellar.

“Yo’ Mama” now outpaces the typical Cooler response. and yes, I hellpt.

For some “long history-look perspective“, see THIS (but sound-bite thinkers need not apply):


Shorter version - H.W. Brands (pretty good and entertaining historian) speaks about Gerald Ford from the perspective of the 1970’s when he was Speaker then President - “what was going on then to shape Ford, the world he governed in, and what happened before 1970‘s to shape and set that stage. Perspective. Long view. History, not partisanship.

It includes things relevant to this thread (except for the ankle biting idiocy by the Usual Infects), such as why and when and how the perspective on government moved from “bootstrap theory” to “government as the problem fixer.” Also some on how the polarization of the R’s and D’s began and how.

The extremes of both sides can pick his lecture apart - but it’s as good a “survey course” as you might get from some speaker trying to NOT be pure partisan asshole. He is slightly left of center but hey, he’s an academic.

I’ve done his stuff of Civil War, Texas, American West.

Government as fixer combined with self-empowered media might just be relevant perspective.

I was in Yellowstone in in 2003, 18 years after the big fire of 1988, which “reversed” the prior “let them burn out” policy. Since 1972, Yellowstone has averaged 24 fires a year, and 5400 acres burned a year. The 1988 fire burned 794,000 acres, a third of the park. Man-made or natural? Fuel or fool?
 
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More than 50 years ago Ralph Nader single-handedly drove the Chevy Covair into the ditch by claiming it was too unstable to drive. A decade later the Ford Pinto was driven off the road because of exploding gas tanks. (27 deaths). In that time the nuclear energy industry was dealt a very damaging blow by a mishap where the safety systems worked followed by a fictional movie. What do these things have in common? In a brief phrase the answer is national brainwashing.

Enter EV’s and other electric personal mobility devices. These things explode and burn, in seemingly random events. Some vehicle producers have.warned customers about putting these vehicles in a garage— as a way to avoid liability for fires. In New York, exploding batteries from bikes and scooters now exceed fires caused by cooking or smoking— the former most frequent causes. Yet, exploding batteries don’t receive the attention of the Covair, Pinto or Three-Mile Island. Why?

More brainwashing. We have been conditioned into believing that climate change ( zero carbon emissions) is the most dangerous threat we have ever faced. Screams about climate and zero carbon not only are used to avoid important policy choices, it is used to advance power, authority, and control into other policy areas. Ergo, batteries are good. Never mind the fact that high energy-dense batteries resemble a bomb more than a gas stove does.

Take Maul. Many leftists are eager to use that tragedy to exert even more control over all of us to avoid climate change. Fires are about fuel. True, climate might affect the fuel but not as much as humans do In many places. Hawaiian pineapple and sugar cane production is kaput. So is macadamia nuts. Instead of cultivated and tended fields and orchards, there are fields of wild flammable grasses— with power lines. But fuel mitigation doesn’t happen in the forests or prairies because of . . . .the environment!

Brainwashing is powerful. We crave it because we don’t want to think about hard choices.
Speaking of brainwashed.... didn't someone tell the CEO of Ford about the limited mileage range about EVs before he decided to base his company's future on EVs?

Reality can be a harsh mistress.

 
Speaking of brainwashed.... didn't someone tell the CEO of Ford about the limited mileage range about EVs before he decided to base his company's future on EVs?

Reality can be a harsh mistress.

I give him credit for taking one for long a trip and writing honestly about his experience. I was pleasantly surprised with the candor he showed.
 
Thread is a good topic.

Too many personal, non-responsive responses by The Usual Infects. The Cooler has again become The Cellar.

“Yo’ Mama” now outpaces the typical Cooler response. and yes, I hellpt.

For some “long history-look perspective“, see THIS (but sound-bite thinkers need not apply):


Shorter version - H.W. Brands (pretty good and entertaining historian) speaks about Gerald Ford from the perspective of the 1970’s when he was Speaker then President - “what was going on then to shape Ford, the world he governed in, and what happened before 1970‘s to shape and set that stage. Perspective. Long view. History, not partisanship.

It includes things relevant to this thread (except for the ankle biting idiocy by the Usual Infects), such as why and when and how the perspective on government moved from “bootstrap theory” to “government as the problem fixer.” Also some on how the polarization of the R’s and D’s began and how.

The extremes of both sides can pick his lecture apart - but it’s as good a “survey course” as you might get from some speaker trying to NOT be pure partisan asshole. He is slightly left of center but hey, he’s an academic.

I’ve done his stuff of Civil War, Texas, American West.

Government as fixer combined with self-empowered media might just be relevant perspective.

I was in Yellowstone in in 2003, 18 years after the big fire of 1988, which “reversed” the prior “let them burn out” policy. Since 1972, Yellowstone has averaged 24 fires a year, and 5400 acres burned a year. The 1988 fire burned 794,000 acres, a third of the park. Man-made or natural? Fuel or fool?
“Government as fixer combined with self-empowered media might just be relevant perspective.”

Yes “Govt. As fixer“ is fraught with dilemmas. Is it really possible to stop all wars everywhere at once? With the media ideologically aligned with Big “Gov‘t As Fixer” ideologues, “Big Govt as fixers” has literally no one telling the tyrant emperors in bureaucratic fiefdoms, how naked they are. Texas yet again showed windmills are not the answer (especially by themselves) with 111 F in the state capital of Austin, giving rise to scares of brownouts.

So I’m being told I need to drive through rural So. Indiana in an EV through decaying towns that once mined Illinois Basin coal and pumped Illinois Basin Oil. I69 isn’t going to save the towns on IN 57, that once boasted vibrant main streets. They’ve only gotten more run down. The residents in these towns can’t afford EVs. There won’t be a charging station to find. I suppose the idea is that I should just choose to eschew trios to see relatives, and reduce my carbon footprint all the mor.
 
I give him credit for taking one for long a trip and writing honestly about his experience. I was pleasantly surprised with the candor he showed.
Yeah, now he can go to the government and make them standardize charging stations, like they should have done long ago.
 
Thread is a good topic.

Too many personal, non-responsive responses by The Usual Infects. The Cooler has again become The Cellar.

“Yo’ Mama” now outpaces the typical Cooler response. and yes, I hellpt.

For some “long history-look perspective“, see THIS (but sound-bite thinkers need not apply):


Shorter version - H.W. Brands (pretty good and entertaining historian) speaks about Gerald Ford from the perspective of the 1970’s when he was Speaker then President - “what was going on then to shape Ford, the world he governed in, and what happened before 1970‘s to shape and set that stage. Perspective. Long view. History, not partisanship.

It includes things relevant to this thread (except for the ankle biting idiocy by the Usual Infects), such as why and when and how the perspective on government moved from “bootstrap theory” to “government as the problem fixer.” Also some on how the polarization of the R’s and D’s began and how.

The extremes of both sides can pick his lecture apart - but it’s as good a “survey course” as you might get from some speaker trying to NOT be pure partisan asshole. He is slightly left of center but hey, he’s an academic.

I’ve done his stuff of Civil War, Texas, American West.

Government as fixer combined with self-empowered media might just be relevant perspective.

I was in Yellowstone in in 2003, 18 years after the big fire of 1988, which “reversed” the prior “let them burn out” policy. Since 1972, Yellowstone has averaged 24 fires a year, and 5400 acres burned a year. The 1988 fire burned 794,000 acres, a third of the park. Man-made or natural? Fuel or fool?
Hmmm. Is there anything natural in Yellowstone Park that is hot enough to cause a fire?
 
The Democrats are all hung up on acquiring guns. The pressing problem, directly related to the increase of street gun violence, is laws about the use of guns. Since the summer of George Floyd, the Democrats and progressives have been singularly focused on criminal justice leniency. No cash bail, defunding police, statutory and administrative measures restricting police law enforcement authority, reduction in felonies, no more stop and frisk, decriminalization of drugs and petty offenders, and more, all result in more youth not being held accountable when accountability matters, and more crime. This direction is deliberate and is 100%. Democrat policy.
Decriminalization of drugs would be a big step to gutting violence.

The war on drugs hasn't stopped addiction. Drugs is a religious and moral issue. I'm not saying it wasn't well intended, but it has grossly backfired from the start, just as Prohibition did. Street violence happens for three reasons a vast majority of the time, drugs, money or relationship emotions (don't read that as just romantic relationships), and those are targeted crimes. We might think some murder is random, but the news rarely follows up on the details of a case unless it's big event.

Thefts, especially on the street, are certainly random, so my head is always on a swivel, but I don't walk around downtown Indy ever thinking my safety is in danger. I'm in downtown Indy a lot.


Show me the communities that actually spent less money on police? You'll find most police budgets raised, inserting more community based stations and utilizing more outreach.


Any issues with youth accountability, I point back to no longer having community public schools in urban areas. With no connection to where they live for a large number of kids, it leads to them not caring. It leads to them being strangers in their community. Less familiarity, less accountability.

When was the last time you were in an urban school? I'm in them often. Lots of talk about kids having issues getting to school. Those are mostly athletes that come across my ears, but speaking from experience, since I took in a kid for 14 months, often times the other aspects of school are the only reason why some choose to follow through on school.

School choice has crushed urban public school systems.

Yeah, I’m a rare conservative who favors more gun control, but that is a long term deal and doesn’t address urban violence anyway.

We need stop and frisk, We need on the spot confiscation of illegally possessed guns. We need jail for any one who possesses a gun while committing a felony.
I don't know what the laws in your state are, but you can't have stop and frisk in a state that has permit less carry laws.
 
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How does the fact that the crime rate has dropped significantly over the past 20 to 30 years if large cities are now shitholes?

How does the fact that the cities the right likes to point to (NY, Chicago, San Fran) aren't even the most dangerous and violent large cities if they have been turned into shitholes?

Why then are the murder rates significantly higher in Trump won states than Biden won states, and have been getting worse over the past twenty years if your theory of Dem leadership equals high crime?

What republican led cities or states do you point to as the perfect model that you are arguing for?

I get it. It's effective with your base past Nixon and through Reagan (remember the welfare queen story? He picked out one black woman in Chicago and exaggerated her story to represent a scary figure, even though to this day poor, rural whites in red states overwhelmingly suck up federal welfare benefits).

Your fears aren't matching reality.

As far as climate brainwashing, the science community overwhelmingly, like 98 to 2, have been all over our change in temperature. They can point to around a century when things started to fire up, which coincides with the industrial age and the dominance of fossil fuels. Which means the carbon increases/differentiation have been manmade and continues. The scary part is that they believe our temperature change is an exponential graph, not linear, which is ummm not good.

So you've got the brightest people who study it telling us, you have a pretty easy correlation with the rise of fossil fuels being a new, disruptive energy source that belches carbon into the air. Lastly, as Carl Segan once mentioned, the hottest planet isn't Mercury, it's Venus. Why? Because Venus is covered by dense carbon gas that traps the suns heat.

Basically there are two thoughts. It's an issue (the climate alarmists) or it's a hoax or it's getting warmer but it's not a big deal.

If I'm wrong, well that would be great. If you're wrong, that would be biblically awful.

And for what, because we can't wean ourselves off of fossil fuels?

Even the dinosaurs would be shaking their damn heads at us. They got hit with a space rock that they couldn't avoid.

We were just lazy and dumb....and brainwashed by the oil industry.
Wrong about Welfare Queen story.

 
Data from the National Transportation Safety Board, Bureau of Transportation Statistics and recalls.gov shows that overall, lumping EVs and hybrids together compared to ICE cars, more ICE cars caught fire than EVs; 0.3% for EVs and 1.05% for ICE cars.​

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It's like you just stroll through, set up a 2 mile long string of hurdles, and then some posters just start running and jumping over them, kind of like they expect a treat at the end. If I didn't know better, I would think that the boards lib's start salivating like a Pavlov's Rat, when seeing you post. They feverishly get to work researching and returning info.
Apparently though, they haven't been smacked on the nose enough for being wrong. It's fun to watch though.
 
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@CO. Hoosier
It's like you just stroll through, set up a 2 mile long string of hurdles, and then some posters just start running and jumping over them, kind of like they expect a treat at the end. If I didn't know better, I would think that the boards lib's start salivating like a Pavlov's Rat, when seeing you post. They feverishly get to work researching and returning info.
Apparently though, they haven't been smacked on the nose enough for being wrong. It's fun to watch though.

So what part of showing that electric cars catch fire less often than internal combustion is wrong? It makes news because they are new. His suggestion that they are more unsafe means he is doing exactly what he blames Nader for.
 
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