So, it's OK to allow a 12 year girl to get a boob job, butt implants, lip fillers and botox? Or give a 13 year old boy viagra?
All the things you mentioned are for adults, not children.
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So, it's OK to allow a 12 year girl to get a boob job, butt implants, lip fillers and botox? Or give a 13 year old boy viagra?
All the things you mentioned are for adults, not children.
Umm, are you familiar with the fact that groups of women will often have their cycles sync up? Again, not an expert on the subject, but there could be days that you need zero and days that you could need 30.
The only issue might be that puberty may effect the transition. A boy transitioning to girl likely wouldn't want their voice dropping an octave.
I don't know enough to give an opinion on what should or shouldn't be done to those that are underage. I would think the kid, the parents and the doctor are better suited to making a determination.
Meh. Why is a girl having a deep voice an issue? That goes back to the societal norms / expectations issue. We all have our quirks. We can't all be fashion models.
Agree with the rest of the post.
I doubt it. About 99 percent of those machines will go unused and the supplier won’t make any money. They’d lose money if they install them. I bet the schools will have to pay to have them installed.
Yes, but that would be a statistical anomaly. But all 30 on the same day would be easier. Can plan on the same day each month to hand out 30 tampons from the nurses office.
Body maturation and brain maturation are two different things
A 12 year is all of our business with matters line that. A societal obligation that trumps parental rights.
Reality. Allowing a plumbing change on a 14 year old is absurd.
I was just using that as an example to make a point that waiting until after puberty could make things harder for the kid.
And yes, some kids might have a lot of issue having a deep voice in that scenario. Some people feel more pressure to meet societal expectations than others.
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That's how they get you. Big Tampon and Big Razor Blade will give out the dispenser and shaver for free. After that, you're hooked and keep coming back.
Back to the topic
Kids aren't allowed to make choices that could have lasting ill effects for a reason. A parent wouldn't support their decision to smoke a pack a day or drink a pint of gin every day. How is this argument over transitioning suddenly any different?
How about a 12 year old deciding school just isn't for them?
The point that made me go 'not bad' in this kind of discussion previously was the left handed one. Admittedly I'm a messed up left handed to where I write, eat, play pool left handed but shoot (basketball, not guns), throw, bat, play guitar right handed.
Anyway the response is based on restriction control impacts. The analysis states something to the point of in 1930ish, early 1900's only 3% of people were left handed.
That was also when schools forbade it and forced everyone to learn how to be right handed.
When that barrier was lifted, immediately left handedness exploded up to something like 12%, which stayed around that percentage since.
The point being the increase in left handedness wasn't from people choosing to be left handed, more that 12% of people were always naturally left handed but were forced in our society to be right handed.
Anyway that's kind of where the gay, trans % number discussions tend to be the core argument, belief that it's always been true and it's our moving to natural acceptance or the belief of belonging that has allowed for the data to be what it is believed to have always been.
Sure, there are attention whores at every age group so I do believe that some kids do it for social attention but, overall I'm more a believer that the gay, trans percentage was likely underrepresented because of how detrimental in society it was to be labeled gay or trans.
You are applying something called "consistency" and applying that to a group of women. That's a mistake in my experience.
Spot on. It’s illegal in mo until 18. That’s how it should be. Want to cross dress before. Wear makeup. Go for it. You can wait to decide on a life altering change until your brain is more developed
Guys like me aren't making aren't obsessed with placating people with mental problems.
Indicative of your own mental problems, perhaps? Sorry - that's just being snarky. No 'perhaps' about it.
Ok. So, my question was: why is this a priority of the governor?
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984Were you able to track that they were discussing puberty and physical maturation and not brain. I know your reading comp is awful bloodbath
Exactly. And no matter how we try to pass laws and cater to peculiarities, that fact doesn't change.
It would be much better to put energy into mental health treatments than codifying unnatural behavior.
Some peoples' life journey is more complicated and difficult than others. Life isn't fair.
If your son goes into teaching mathematics I would strongly advice him to get a job in a honors high school course or college.
Geez...you mean kids will dress themselves into a culture to find friends or acceptance? GTFO
We have kids dressed in goth. We didn't try to start a culture war to stop it.
You were probably one of those popped collar dbags in HS. Other than those guys being dbags we didn't work for any legislative injunctions. What's next, white kids trying to dress like rappers? No...wait...that was the 90's.
There is a discussion to be had in how to handle kids who truly struggle with sexuality. Beyond that, it's always been a nothing burger, but you've been told to care about it.My guess is it’s a wtf for us old guys but for her gen it’ll be a nothing burger. Their tolerance is better. The focus on lgbqt etc from this admin seems a bit much given everything else that has transpired. Walz seems a match made in heaven for them
We are going to continue to be a very divided country
Tim Walz is the political ally LGBTQ voters deserve
The Minnesota governor has a long record of putting his money where his mouth is when it comes to support for LGBTQ people.www.msnbc.com
I thought all these leftists believe it takes a village to raise a child? Until it clashes with their dogma, I guess.
From reporting at the time they did it, it would appear to be that it was pushed by a lot of school & student groups because apparently kids were missing school at least semi-regularly because of a lack of period products. So I imagine that is why it was a priority.
To cover trans kids was probably not so much that THAT PART was a priority but rather that it's a relatively small expansion to what they were going to do anyway to ensure that EVERYONE subject to menstruation would be covered.
Laws get passed to allow or compel things because people try to restrict others from living their lives.
What if the treatments have determined the best way to handle it is to allow people to live their lives without others trying to tell them?
Meanwhile we have people working to block mental health professionals from helping students.
Dan, just asking why we worry about such a minor issue. As far as the core issue, I know at my school when girls had home games, the visiting girls team used the boys locker room. Perhaps that is one reason to install them at least in that case.
Two things:
1. With respect to a 15 or 16 year old being "sure", how many people here changed majors in college? For quite a few of these "alternative" people, you see the adults changing what they feel they are on a whim. You can find high profile people "discovering" that they weren't straight, they were demisexual, and then that wasn't their real truth so now are non-binary and should be referred to with "they/them" pronouns and then about two years later come back and say that wasn't feeling right so they are back to being a she/her.
Most of these folks also have a host of other mental issues going on. I would suggest that anybody below the age of 18 should be a complete no-go on making life altering body changes. And the adults who want to do it should have a mental health professional that challenges them in their desires as opposed to facilitating them.
2. Sometimes I get on this forum and feel that we are so far apart that there is just no common ground to be found on these things. I also find it interesting that people I disagree with are aiming arguments to support their position my way that I would also aim back at them. Like, why do you people care about this insignificant shit so much that you force it on everyone else? And yes, you are imposing this on me.
i'm never told to care about anything. i think for myself. but please remember the source here: you're the clown who didnt believe dei was in schools either and then just slithered off repeating the same garbage after facts were provided to you. why? because you were told to adopt that position from the inane sources you gather news. and you're not very bright.
Your reading comprehension skills are terrible. You're not very bright.
what people? children? your words are so inexact they're meaningless
It's not about fear or hating things we don't understand, at least for me. I don't give shit what an adult wants to do. It's about not allowing kids to make decisions they don't understand the consequences to.
Also, I draw the line at being compelled to call people by some made up gender or whatever else they demand. I'll do it out of respect if asked respectfully, demand it of me and it's not gonna happen.
I've worked in Bloomington in pharma, so yes, it's happened. Corporate even had annual dei and lbgtq required trainings.
Because it's something the government shouldn't be involved in. Schools aren't supposed to be a social laboratory. I'm only 'worried' about it because it's become a government issue and it shouldn't be.
Where does personal responsibility come in? If a 'girl' needs a tampon and doesn't have one, don't they usually borrow from a friend or go to the nurse's office?
Why are we obsessing about this issue? It's just catering to mental health problems.
I appreciate your response, but personally, I don’t want my governor to get involved in issues that principals, superintendents, school boards, county councils, city councils, mayor, etc can handle. Especially since it affects so very few people. My governor should be trying to figure out other, more pressing issues.
How many trans kids do you know? Zero I would imagine. Need to drag you into the 21st century.
I know 3. My buddy is married to one (second marriage), and she has two. Born two boys who from the moment they started talking a bit, my buddy's wife said "something was off, and maybe they were suffering from something". Fast forward and the boys would like to play with dolls, did sorts of girl things. She assumed that perhaps they were gay. No big deal. As the boys got older they became significantly depressed. See multiple therapists and psychiatrists (MD), who express their concern for the boys well being. Kids finally disclose to everyone that they don't identify or want to be boys and knew it from a very early age. This woman held off until they were 18 years old to see the doctors about gender switching. She went to her priest, counselors for guidance. They all thought maybe it was okay to do this. They did, and after beginning the transition period, the boys were positive for a change, not depressed and far more involved with life. Still happy 5 years later, productive and unbelievable story in my mind. Third one was Northville high school in Michigan were my kids went Girl had a gender reassignment when she was in 8th grade (girl to boy), and nobody in that conservative school once gave that kid shit--well until people said they should be upset. Same backstory, and I still see the kid every once and while. Another happy productive citizen.
I'm the first to say, I don't give two shits about transgender crap on TV. I'm tired of hearing about it. I'm not, however, tired of hearing about happy stories where things make a difference.
The desire to change genders is real. It isn't some folk tale. Not my cup of tea though, but if it makes you happy and doesn't break other laws, why would I care?
oh yes the one where you must be fixing tickets because you were so afraid to share what you were doing. brad asked you point blank. your account of county was laughable and evinced how clueless you were on the subject of careers. 145 lsat is my guess. that damn reading comp. leaves you fixing tickets in a small town. you're way too dumb to do anyhting of any import
Exactly--the kids don't care--until they are told they should care and denounce such activity.
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