COH is thrashing and flailing about. It's sad to watch.
Nah . . . he's doing the best he can with the hand he's been dealt. He's OK . . . .
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COH is thrashing and flailing about. It's sad to watch.
Gotta know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em...Nah . . . he's doing the best he can with the hand he's been dealt. He's OK . . . .
And that makes what Trump has done as okay then?
COH is thrashing and flailing about. It's sad to watch.
Point of Anal Retentiveness:Trump deserves due process like anyone else, but I hope we see Congress actually doing its oversight job here (in a non-partisan fashion) and get assured that a new Trump FBI director isn't going to be a Trump political appointee who will shut down legit investigations.
Perhaps Mark is suggesting it would be refreshing if you were capable of discussing an ethical lapse by Trump without the need to force an analogy to a previous Democratic administration. Obama and Holder have no bearing on this. Why not just stick to the topic at hand?Thanks, but I don't need your sympathy. I'm not thrashing about either. If you are sad, that's okay. You seem to assume I am a Trump supporter or defender or something. I definitely am not, even though I find some things that Trump has done and is doing which are very good. Most of the time I am making fun of the exploding heads over nothingburgers about anything Trump does. That is a target rich environment you know.
If you have something to say directly to me I hope you feel confident enough to say it. I think I have established that I respond to most points made about my points.
Bwahahahahaha.... argh... cough... spit....I think I have established that I respond to most points made about my points.
Point of Anal Retentiveness:
Since impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one, there is no due process that Trump deserves. The concept simply isn't applicable.
However, as removing an elected official isn't small potatoes, no matter the reason, there is a somewhat analogous need: a need for deliberation and a high level of confidence that the action is only taken as a last resort. The difference is that this would not be an enforceable right held personally by Trump, but rather a political necessity to protect the integrity of our constitutional government and respect for the decision of voters.
25th Amendment. But any mental defect Trump suffers from was clear for all to see before he was elected, so trying to take power from him on those grounds would be hard to justify. That would essentially be the cabinet telling the public, "We know what you need better than you do."What would occur should a president be diagnosed with a serious physical illness? (i.e. stroke) I believe we are long past that point, except this illness is a mental one. Congress can't afford to wait.
That would essentially be a palace coup. Might sound good, but it would require Pence and the Cabinet be all-in and 2/3rds of both Houses to concur. It would also end our system of government as we know it. The 25th was intended for use in the event of a stroke or some similar disability (see Wilson), not as a substitute for impeachment. The "mental disability" application would be true banana republic stuff. Or Stalinesque. Take your pick.What would occur should a president be diagnosed with a serious physical illness? (i.e. stroke) I believe we are long past that point, except this illness is a mental one. Congress can't afford to wait.
That looks like a request, not a subpoena. Good sign, nonetheless.
That looks like a request, not a subpoena. Good sign, nonetheless.
Didn't Chaffetz announce recently he wasn't running for re-election? Is it possible he's going to do what's right instead of what's politically expedient?
https://lawfareblog.com/another-bom...s-trump-asking-comey-kill-flynn-investigation
A very comprehensive and measured discussion of obstruction of justice. the key point being at the very end:
The critical point is that impeachment for obstruction of justice is ultimately not just a legal question; it’s also a political question, albeit a political question highly inflected by the law and often discussed in the language of the law. The boundaries of the impeachable offense are not coextensive with the boundaries of the criminal law. There are things that are not criminal that are certainly impeachable, and there are crimes that are generally regarded as too trivial to trigger the Constitution’s standard in Article II § 4 of “Treason, Bribery, and other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” The great constitutional scholar Charles Black, in an excellent volume entitled, Impeachment: A Handbook written during the Watergate era, describes this point in vivid detail.
So the real question boils down to this: Does the pattern of conduct that is emerging, in the view of a majority of the House of Representatives and a two-thirds majority of the Senate, constitute an obstruction of justice of a type that is grounds for impeachment and removal?
Bwahahahahaha.... argh... cough... spit....
A policy decision, not asking for one specific case to be dropped.What else besides trying to influence a criminal investigation.
FWIW, I think this happens a lot, and I think it happened with Obama and Holder with some of the cop civil rights investigations. They also pretty much admitted this when they said Obama and Holder agreed that "prosecutorial discretion" was a way for Obama to implement some of his immigration agenda.
His campaign committee recently registered various Chaffetz2028 domain names, too. He's not done. His big problem was trying to figure out how to make the oversight chair politically valuable in a GOP administration. It appears Trump's ineptitude has helped him resolve that dilemma.Yes he's not running again. Though doubt his political career is over for good. If he wants to run state wide in Utah, going after Trump could be beneficial. Trump was not very popular there for such a deep red state.
We're thinking along the same lines. He could run for governor as a "principled Republican" who wouldn't bow to the apostate Trump.Yes he's not running again. Though doubt his political career is over for good. If he wants to run state wide in Utah, going after Trump could be beneficial. Trump was not very popular there for such a deep red state.
that would be ... interesting. Might make his townhalls a little less heated.That looks like a request, not a subpoena. Good sign, nonetheless.
Didn't Chaffetz announce recently he wasn't running for re-election? Is it possible he's going to do what's right instead of what's politically expedient?
No. I was very critical of the way Holder and Obama cooked up prosecutorial discretion as a way to change the law. I even cited some ethics rules that Holder violated and suggested he should receive professional discipline.
Trump is a little different. Isn't bound by lawyer ethics like Holder was. Trump is exerting influence which apparently had no affect on Comey. This needs to play out a little, but on the surface it doesn't look good. The only defense is that Trump is a buffoon and doesn't know what he did was improper. He also doesn't know how to give himself plausible deniability--which is how these things usually work.
Those morons will go down in five seconds. They do be crazy though.Posters at Breitbart are ready for an armed civil conflict if Trump is taken down. His base be crazy.
Posters at Breitbart are ready for an armed civil conflict if Trump is taken down. His base be crazy.
They were ready if he lost the election, so I'm sure they will be plotting it now. This is going to be really ugly, no matter what.Posters at Breitbart are ready for an armed civil conflict if Trump is taken down. His base be crazy.
That is my fear and Trump unlike Nixon would encourage them to act.Posters at Breitbart are ready for an armed civil conflict if Trump is taken down. His base be crazy.
Just took a twitter twirl and several of the Trumpsters talking about civil war and that bthey are ready. Also many are blaming all of Trump's problems on his staff and the fact that he didn't get enough loyal people.
Just took a twitter twirl and several of the Trumpsters talking about civil war and thatbthey are ready. Also many are blaming all of Trump's problems on his staff and the fact that he didn't get enough loyal people.
Alt-right Twitter has been going nuts on lots of things this week. Really trolling hard.I'd guess the vast majority of those are either bots, paid Russian trolls from a troll farm, or alt-right Internet troll keyboard warriors.
25th Amendment. But any mental defect Trump suffers from was clear for all to see before he was elected, so trying to take power from him on those grounds would be hard to justify. That would essentially be the cabinet telling the public, "We know what you need better than you do."
His campaign committee recently registered various Chaffetz2028 domain names, too. He's not done. His big problem was trying to figure out how to make the oversight chair politically valuable in a GOP administration. It appears Trump's ineptitude has helped him resolve that dilemma.
I'd guess the vast majority of those are either bots, paid Russian trolls from a troll farm, or alt-right Internet troll keyboard warriors.
I think you're responding to the wrong post here.I've got to tell you I'm not comfortable with language telling posters the board would be better if they are dead. Don't stoop to that. You are better than that. And don't take his posts seriously. If you read the posts purely from a comedy perspective it's easy to laugh and ignore them.
That would essentially be a palace coup. Might sound good, but it would require Pence and the Cabinet be all-in and 2/3rds of both Houses to concur. It would also end our system of government as we know it. The 25th was intended for use in the event of a stroke or some similar disability (see Wilson), not as a substitute for impeachment. The "mental disability" application would be true banana republic stuff. Or Stalinesque. Take your pick.
I think you're responding to the wrong post here.
There was a letter sent to Trump supporters yesterday that talked about being in the fight of their lives, etc. I'm sure that's normal language, but people have taken it and run with it, saying they are armed and ready to fight for their country, etc.dont think so. Ive been reading breitbart a lot recently + comments. They certainly aren't russian because the writing is too coherent. Mybigges fear is should trump be impeached he will call on his supporters to arrive armed at the whitehouse lawn. Don't kid yourself, a significant minority of the republican party idolizes trump.