Cut the bullshit. Do you think Jews are inherently bad?
I’d respect you more if you would just lay your cards on the table
Who you choose to respect is of no consequence to me.
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Cut the bullshit. Do you think Jews are inherently bad?
I’d respect you more if you would just lay your cards on the table
Or maybe any Jews with political influence were trying to help their fellow Jews from being slaughtered by the Nazi’s. Don’t you find that a logical stance?The US was a victim of Bolshevik propaganda which threw her into a hundred year cauldron of death and destruction
The Congress passed The Neutrality Act in an effort to free our people from the entanglements of European war treaties and colonialism
War profiteers didn't care about human lives then, much like the war and disease profiteers don't care now
Watch 'The Matrix" sometime.
No. I’m not going to play your game. I asked you a question now you should answer it. Question number 2, do you deny 6 million Jews were murdered plus an additional 5 million the Nazi’s hated?Examine the time line of the propaganda war between Germany and International Jewery as reported in numerous newspapers, and get back to me.
In that same time frame you mentioned in your anti-Semitic posts, Germany:From 1933 to 1945 Germany led the world in fashion, medicine, cinema, manufacturing, superior lifestyle, transport facilities, public services, cutting-edge science, healthcare and education. She had thrown out the banksters, restored her currency, rebuilt infrastructure and restored herself as a nation, during a period of time she was being boycotted and western leaders were being intensely propagandized primarily by jews to wage war on Germany.
So are you accusing the Jewish son of a holocaust survivor of anti-Semitism? Again some Jews are Zionist and some are not. It's a political, not racist, or ethnic distinction...
Ken Roth is Human Rights Watch Executive Director. Here he blames antisemitism on the actions of Jews in Israel. Truly despicable, but not surprising given the source.
We would not accept this framing for any other form of bigotry.
They cannot be considered a serious Human Rights group as long as they have Roth as their executive director framing their agenda.
More BS...In that same time frame you mentioned in your anti-Semitic posts, Germany:
(1) led the world in concentration camps (more than 1,000);(2) "annexed" one country (Austria) and invaded at least ten others (Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, Yugoslavia, Greece and Soviet Union),(3) sank 233 ships killing 5,000 sailors in the Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico directly harming US shipping, and(4) declared war on the US on 12-11-41 before the US had taken any action against Germany.
Germany didn't keep these things secret, and Hitler himself bragged about his intentions in his broadcast speeches. Hell, even Pope Pius knew about the concentration camps.
Contrary to your unfounded claims, the US govt. didn't need to be hoodwinked by biased newspapers or propaganda to think the US needed to take action against Germany to protect itself.
What about answering my questions? Are you going to deny the Holocaust happened including the 6 million Jews and the other 5 million they hated? Or were those 11 million souls just a casualty of war like the sunken ships?More BS...
After the monopolistic American Jewish msm in conjunction with European jewery pledged 'total war' on Germany in 1933, they also waged war on Congress and the Presidency to undermine neutrality legislation that had been been adopted after the bloody European war that DID NOTHING in support of American public interest. Morganthau and his minions organized and publicized rallies and so-called demonstrations in major cities to create the imagery of Germans as sub-human monsters, just like the government later portrayed the Japanese.
I doubt you can even define 'concentration camps', let alone a thousand of them.
Work camps and POW camps were common on both sides. Oh and by the way, using a 'progressive' approach, what about Roosevelt imprisoning tens of thousand American citizens of Japanese ancestry, who had committed no crimes other than being racially inconvenient?
You reinforce your ignorance by claiming the US had taken no actions against Germany before December 1941. The weakening of the Neutrality Act, which was opposed by millions of Americans, resulted in Lend-Lease, the provision to provide the so-called allies with petroleum products including aviation fuels, gasoline, guns, aircraft, ships, and other war material for a long time before December, 1941
In war, ships are sunk, cities are razed, such as Dresden, and later, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. People die. It is why the American people supported and enacted the Neutrality Acts
Your naivete is stunning.
You mean like for war bonds and such? You are aware there was a war afoot right?Morganthau and his minions organized and publicized rallies and so-called demonstrations in major cities to create the imagery of Germans as sub-human monsters, just like the government later portrayed the Japanese.
Tell it to stuffshot.You mean like for war bonds and such? You are aware there was a war afoot right?
Also, the Neutrality Acts severely limited our ability to conduct foreign policy in the midst of a buildup of arms by the Germans and Japanese. What the hell was Roosevelt supposed to do? Sit back and watch England, France and China burn to the ground? You do understand the purpose of allies right? Plus, by 41 the Germans were attacking US ships. We'd picked sides. We were "at war" with Germany on the water long before December of 1941 and not ending the neutrality policy would have been an obstacle to our protecting ourselves.
Not for war bonds. You know that.You mean like for war bonds and such? You are aware there was a war afoot right?
Also, the Neutrality Acts severely limited our ability to conduct foreign policy in the midst of a buildup of arms by the Germans and Japanese. What the hell was Roosevelt supposed to do? Sit back and watch England, France and China burn to the ground? You do understand the purpose of allies right? Plus, by 41 the Germans were attacking US ships. We'd picked sides. We were "at war" with Germany on the water long before December of 1941 and not ending the neutrality policy would have been an obstacle to our protecting ourselves.
The numbers and cause of death are debatable, and have been for 75 years.What about answering my questions? Are you going to deny the Holocaust happened including the 6 million Jews and the other 5 million they hated? Or were those 11 million souls just a casualty of war like the sunken ships?
What about answering my questions? Are you going to deny the Holocaust happened including the 6 million Jews and the other 5 million they hated? Or were those 11 million souls just a casualty of war like the sunken ships?
So you're suggesting they weren't gassed? What are you saying. You are a Holocaust denier and at every attempt try and twist the history to fit your narrative. That's exactly what you people do. Just say you don't like Jews and are Nazi sympathizer. You obviously didn't have family die in the Holocaust, you obviously have never visited a death camp. You're pure scum is what you are. I'm done with you you POS.The numbers and cause of death are debatable, and have been for 75 years.
Another multiple-generation Jewish individual that you accuse of being an anti-Semite? It's stupid enough to accuse Arabs (who are Semites themselves of) anti-semitism but you seem intent on leveling the charge of being anti-Semites against a number of actual Jews...
Beinart doesn't care about Palestinians, he cares about promoting the destruction of Israel and providing cover to antisemites. He's garbage.
You've got the same problem promoting this lunacy as CoH has trying to pretend Hitler and the Nazis weren't right-wing Fascists. The fact that wherever the Nazis invaded they were greeted by throngs of pro-Fascist anti-Jewish minorities who in many cases joined the Waffen SS and even manned guard posts at many of the Concentration Camps.The numbers and cause of death are debatable, and have been for 75 years.
Blah, blah, blah. Your bias is inexcusable.More BS...
After the monopolistic American Jewish msm in conjunction with European jewery pledged 'total war' on Germany in 1933, they also waged war on Congress and the Presidency to undermine neutrality legislation that had been been adopted after the bloody European war that DID NOTHING in support of American public interest. Morganthau and his minions organized and publicized rallies and so-called demonstrations in major cities to create the imagery of Germans as sub-human monsters, just like the government later portrayed the Japanese.
I doubt you can even define 'concentration camps', let alone a thousand of them.
Work camps and POW camps were common on both sides. Oh and by the way, using a 'progressive' approach, what about Roosevelt imprisoning tens of thousand American citizens of Japanese ancestry, who had committed no crimes other than being racially inconvenient?
You reinforce your ignorance by claiming the US had taken no actions against Germany before December 1941. The weakening of the Neutrality Act, which was opposed by millions of Americans, resulted in Lend-Lease, the provision to provide the so-called allies with petroleum products including aviation fuels, gasoline, guns, aircraft, ships, and other war material for a long time before December, 1941
In war, ships are sunk, cities are razed, such as Dresden, and later, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. People die. It is why the American people supported and enacted the Neutrality Acts
Your naivete is stunning.
So, how many such deaths would someone have to prove before you thought it was actually terrible to kill people?The numbers and cause of death are debatable, and have been for 75 years.
I was physically ill when I went through that. My daughter was 10 then and she was just in a daze.I don't know where you live, but I would be happy to pay your ticket to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washignton, DC. It might just change your heart. I'd even road trip there with you and set up some meetings with the curators and historians.
I don't hate you, I only want you to realize that wherever youre receiving your information is doing you harm. Spend a day learning in this museum and I promise you you'll have a change of heart. It's up to you. This is an open invitation. You can contact me privately if you'd like to take me up on this offer.
I cried even more like a baby at Yad Vashem in Israel. The memorial at the end of Schindler’s list. I cry every year we memorialize the Holocaust. My father in law was born in a DP camp and lost most his family. Almost all my Jewish friends have a family meme bet who perished. We shall never forget and will not let anyone like MAS try and rewrite the history books. I don’t want to hate him, but I’m angry now. Real angry. I appreciate everyone’s support. It’s not just about the Jews in the Holocaust for me it’s about stopping a Holocaust from ever happening again anywhere.I was physically ill when I went through that. My daughter was 10 then and she was just in a daze.
It hurts to go through it, but every American should see it to see what can happen in a 'civilized' society.
I just can't even imagine. I was stationed in Germany, close to Dachau. I couldn't bring myself to go there because I knew it would scar me. Anyone who is not affected in some way by the Holocaust is just not human, imo.I cried even more like a baby at Yad Vashem in Israel. The memorial at the end of Schindler’s list. I cry every year we memorialize the Holocaust. My father in law was born in a DP camp and lost most his family. Almost all my Jewish friends have a family meme bet who perished. We shall never forget and will not let anyone like MAS try and rewrite the history books. I don’t want to hate him, but I’m angry now. Real angry. I appreciate everyone’s support. It’s not just about the Jews in the Holocaust for me it’s about stopping a Holocaust from ever happening again anywhere.
You'll have to point out where I made any such claim.So, how many such deaths would someone have to prove before you thought it was actually terrible to kill people?
I’m sorry for your losses and what you went through in Vietnam.You'll have to point out where I made any such claim.
Let me tell you about my experience with war and death.
I served a year in a combat unit in Vietnam in an Infantry MOS.,as a recon scout
During my year, we suffered
12 killed, including our Troop CO,, who was 28 years old , and our First Sergesnt
Two of the other ten were from Indiana,
Including an eighteen year-old kid from Logansport who was shot through the throat and bled out inside an armored vehicle.
The Vietnam War came about due to the duplicity of Truman., Stalin and Churchill as they sought to return France's Indo-Chinese colonies.
We had no business in that war, either.
I have been following... I should say reading... you and Masa's back and forth. Now forgive me, my knowledge on specifics on this topic is zero. As I ask this question (actually to both of you) please don't think this is from a denier or someone that is taking sides. The reality of the topic does make the hair on my neck stand up with fear or what ever it is.So you're suggesting they weren't gassed? What are you saying. You are a Holocaust denier and at every attempt try and twist the history to fit your narrative. That's exactly what you people do. Just say you don't like Jews and are Nazi sympathizer. You obviously didn't have family die in the Holocaust, you obviously have never visited a death camp. You're pure scum is what you are. I'm done with you you POS.
Throughout history, there has always been suspicions of Jewish cabals that plot to rule the world.I have been following... I should say reading... you and Masa's back and forth. Now forgive me, my knowledge on specifics on this topic is zero. As I ask this question (actually to both of you) please don't think this is from a denier or someone that is taking sides. The reality of the topic does make the hair on my neck stand up with fear or what ever it is.
The way I read Masa is that there was a Jewish news/ propaganda machine against Germany during that time frame. ... My take on that is (as I read Masa), of course there probably was. Jews had been mistreated and policies were being made to marginalize them. Wouldn't that be totally understandable from the Jews? Fighting back, so to speak.
Are you two possibly talking about the same general topic, but focusing on different specifics?
You asked if he denied the Holocaust. Didn't he simply say the #'s and causes attributed to had been in question for years, but never that it didn't happen.
I may be WAY to under educated to pick up what you two are actually arguing about, and I honestly admit that. But I didn't pick up on Masa's Jew hate, as I am pretty sure you are accusing him of. ** Like I said I could be totally wrong and just don't have enough education on the specifics.
Hands up don't shoot, this is an honest question/ observation.
Whew, I know I have a well deserved reputation here, but thanks for this response. I honestly had no idea. My only teaching of Jews was from jokes about how they love money. Hell I may be part jew from those jokes!Throughout history, there has always been suspicions of Jewish cabals that plot to rule the world.
Jews have been successful in societies where they are minorities. It's natural for there to be jealousy, but it gets out of hand and they are convenient scapegoats for societies' ills.
This whole idea of "International Jewry" is one of those things where the accusation is made, but how do you prove it's not true? People bring out acts of individuals or small groups and treat it likes they're a plot of the entire religion.
I do agree with your one point - if Jews were against Hitler in 1933, they were damn well justified.
You speak for 'everybody here' now?Blah, blah, blah. Your bias is inexcusable.
The Germans declared war on the U.S. first, in Dec. 1941. It's silly to blame the U.S. for responding to what Germany announced it was going to do.
You don't deny the Germans created concentration camps; you just quibble about how many you think I can "prove." (Hint: One concentration camp is too many.)
Despite your suggestion, the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima in 1945 had nothing to do with the U.S. defending itself against
Germany's declaration of war against the U.S. in December, 1941. Your injection of Nagasaki and Hiroshima into the discussion of the conflict between the U.S. and Germany demonstrates you neither understand the timeline of events or the geography of the world. Further, it appears you don't even understand that 1945 occurred later than 1941.
Oh, in case you didn't notice, countless Germans in that timeframe were, in fact, "sub-human monsters," a term you yourself introduced (so you must have thought about whether it applied).
Take your racial prejudice with you and just go away. Nobody here is listening.
That's because it's never about helping Palestinians, always about hurting Israel.Another multiple-generation Jewish individual that you accuse of being an anti-Semite? It's stupid enough to accuse Arabs (who are Semites themselves of) anti-semitism but you seem intent on leveling the charge of being anti-Semites against a number of actual Jews...
The correct term you're looking for is Anti-Zionist, though in Beinart's case I'm not sure that is even accurate. His paternal Grandparents are from Lithuania, and the maternal side is a mix of a Russian (Jewish) Grandfather and an Egyptian (Jewish) Grandmother, so it's likely that his family experienced some degree of anti-Semitic treatment. Btw, Beinart is also an editor at large of Jewish Currents...
Are you really intent on (mis) characterizing "progressive Jews" as anti-semites, or even anti-Israeli? Beinart was a columnist at Haaretz (an ISRAELI newspaper) from 2014-2017, so I'm not sure what makes him a proponent of the destruction of Israel?
He does NOT believe in the OCCUPATION, but many former IDR and Israeli soldiers believe the Occupation is morally repugnant. This type of uneducated equating of opposition to Jewish Colonialism with anti-Semitism is more worthy of someone like DANC than someone as educated as yourself...
And to save you the trouble, both Ben and Jerry who just announced they would no longer allow their ice cream to be sold in Jewish settlements within the Occupied territories, are (like Bernie Sanders) Jewish residents of Vermont. And again before you try to paint with too wide a brush and paint them as anti-Israeli, they are to this point still allowing Ben&Jerry's to be sold in Israel proper, just not the Occupied Palestinian Territories...
Question everything!!!!Throughout history, there has always been suspicions of Jewish cabals that plot to rule the world.
Jews have been successful in societies where they are minorities. It's natural for there to be jealousy, but it gets out of hand and they are convenient scapegoats for societies' ills.
This whole idea of "International Jewry" is one of those things where the accusation is made, but how do you prove it's not true? People bring out acts of individuals or small groups and treat it likes they're a plot of the entire religion.
I do agree with your one point - if Jews were against Hitler in 1933, they were damn well justified.
I appreciate your comments and questions here, I really do, I think it's better to ask than assume.I have been following... I should say reading... you and Masa's back and forth. Now forgive me, my knowledge on specifics on this topic is zero. As I ask this question (actually to both of you) please don't think this is from a denier or someone that is taking sides. The reality of the topic does make the hair on my neck stand up with fear or what ever it is.
The way I read Masa is that there was a Jewish news/ propaganda machine against Germany during that time frame. ... My take on that is (as I read Masa), of course there probably was. Jews had been mistreated and policies were being made to marginalize them. Wouldn't that be totally understandable from the Jews? Fighting back, so to speak.
Are you two possibly talking about the same general topic, but focusing on different specifics?
You asked if he denied the Holocaust. Didn't he simply say the #'s and causes attributed to had been in question for years, but never that it didn't happen.
I may be WAY to under educated to pick up what you two are actually arguing about, and I honestly admit that. But I didn't pick up on Masa's Jew hate, as I am pretty sure you are accusing him of. ** Like I said I could be totally wrong and just don't have enough education on the specifics.
Hands up don't shoot, this is an honest question/ observation.
I'm actually curious to hear your own answer to the question you just asked. "Why were Jews ejected from societies for a thousand years?" Please don't ask me to do my own research. Just tell us what you've learned or how you've interpreted what you read.Question everything!!!!
Some time, maybe a frozen Indiana winter day, search the internet for dissenting views. Why were jews ejected from societies for a thousand years? Can this be attributed to a twentyith century political movement? Did all of these societies over centuries all decide on the jew as their scapegoat,?
Who did Jesus evict from the Temple?
Why?
Who?
Where?
When?
What?
Part of critical thinking.
Whiney emotional responses are a waste of time
They are an artifice to be employed when inconvenient truth gets in the way of the narrative.
Well, Jesus was a Jew. We wouldn't have Christianity without our shared Jewish history.Question everything!!!!
Some time, maybe a frozen Indiana winter day, search the internet for dissenting views. Why were jews ejected from societies for a thousand years? Can this be attributed to a twentyith century political movement? Did all of these societies over centuries all decide on the jew as their scapegoat,?
Who did Jesus evict from the Temple?
Why?
Who?
Where?
When?
What?
Part of critical thinking.
Whiney emotional responses are a waste of time
They are an artifice to be employed when inconvenient truth gets in the way of the narrative.
The other reason they were outcasts is because they were financially successful. Much like today, wealth causes jealousy.
yeah i had heard that too. pretty interesting. the catholics would get booted for usurious loans and canon law didn't apply to non catholics so the jews could engage in moneylending, which inured to the benefit of the local businesses and the jews themselves who were restricted from entering most or many tradesI recall seeing/hearing/reading long ago that the European Jews became successful money people because the Roman Church outlawed any charging of interest on loaned money, calling any interest charge as usury. The Jews weren't bound by that Church ruling. I won't claim there's any validity to this, but it made sense to me at the time.
Jews were also not allowed to be farmers in some places because they were told they were dirty and carried disease so this actually pushed them to be involved in occupations like banking.I recall seeing/hearing/reading long ago that the European Jews became successful money people because the Roman Church outlawed any charging of interest on loaned money, calling any interest charge as usury. The Jews weren't bound by that Church ruling. I won't claim there's any validity to this, but it made sense to me at the time.
I guess I really started paying attention with this part. At the time, and often actually, It seemed like you said "A" and he responded "A^ " cryptically. If I recall, you gave actual numbers, he responded those have been in question. He didn't say your #'s were low, he didn't say they were high, he just said in question.He didnt' deny it but he certainly questioned the legitimacy of the facts (how many died and how did they perish).
I’ve also noticed @Mas-sa-suta likes to reply to other posters more than answering my questions which at times are just a simple yes or no. I’m not sure why.I guess I really started paying attention with this part. At the time, and often actually, It seemed like you said "A" and he responded "A^ " cryptically. If I recall, you gave actual numbers, he responded those have been in question. He didn't say your #'s were low, he didn't say they were high, he just said in question.
After reading him, I agree he seems very well learned in this topic. That is where I "assumed" his cryptic answer was because he seems to be at 3x pHd level and glosses over the shit that my 6th grade knowledge needs. Maybe I gave him to much benefit of the doubt? It would really help if he would answer in yes/ no terms, I understand those.
But then again, maybe many of us in this cess pooler, always assume the worst. Again, @Mas-sa-suta if you could be clear, anti Jew or not, it would help.
Crap I left out some Capitalized Nouns, but I'm to lazy to go back and fix them.
Mas is repeating very specific claims that are not only known to be false, but also are known to come straight from neo-Nazi Holocaust-denial literature. Eppy probably knows this better than any of us, which is why he was able to peg Mas so quickly.I have been following... I should say reading... you and Masa's back and forth. Now forgive me, my knowledge on specifics on this topic is zero. As I ask this question (actually to both of you) please don't think this is from a denier or someone that is taking sides. The reality of the topic does make the hair on my neck stand up with fear or what ever it is.
The way I read Masa is that there was a Jewish news/ propaganda machine against Germany during that time frame. ... My take on that is (as I read Masa), of course there probably was. Jews had been mistreated and policies were being made to marginalize them. Wouldn't that be totally understandable from the Jews? Fighting back, so to speak.
Are you two possibly talking about the same general topic, but focusing on different specifics?
You asked if he denied the Holocaust. Didn't he simply say the #'s and causes attributed to had been in question for years, but never that it didn't happen.
I may be WAY to under educated to pick up what you two are actually arguing about, and I honestly admit that. But I didn't pick up on Masa's Jew hate, as I am pretty sure you are accusing him of. ** Like I said I could be totally wrong and just don't have enough education on the specifics.
Hands up don't shoot, this is an honest question/ observation.
These folks are smart enough to know that it's a lot harder to spread their disease if they openly admit they have it. So they obfuscate and beat around the bush, and hope that someone reading it says, "Yeah, that makes sense."I’ve also noticed @Mas-sa-suta likes to reply to other posters more than answering my questions which at times are just a simple yes or no. I’m not sure why.
Liar.Mas is repeating very specific claims that are not only known to be false, but also are known to come straight from neo-Nazi Holocaust-denial literature. Eppy probably knows this better than any of us, which is why he was able to peg Mas so quickly.
I called you no names and nothing I posted was emotional. I only (accurately) pointed out you where stating falsehoods that happen to be part of the neo-Nazi oeuvre.Liar.
Nothing I have posted has been proven to be false.
Name calling and repeating emotional drivel is not refutation.