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Is DeSantis the future President-for-Life?

Yes, that's an intentionally inflammatory topic title meant to get your attention, but I think the issue raised in the linked article is actually worthy of discussion. In short, DeSantis is actually more dangerous to democracy than Trump, because he shares all the same authoritarian tendencies, but comes with none of the baggage that might hold him back.

That article is typical BI. Pure left wing nonsense.

Calling DeSantis “repressive” and then giving those disingenuous examples is silly and you know better.
 
I'ver heard her interviewed in a few places and don't find her very impressive. For example, she says "All the authoritarian tendencies." Could we list those? From my reading of the article, the prof thinks republican policy is "authoritarian."

From the aricle:

"He's clearly readying himself for a national run, whether it's in 2024 or later. And he's a very dangerous individual," Ben Ghiat said. "He's dangerous because he is equally repressive, but doesn't have the baggage of Trump. It's hard to have the baggage of Trump."

DeSantis has recently signed controversial bills like Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill — which limits teachers' curriculum around sexual orientation and gender identity in grades Kindergarten through third — and the
Stop WOKE Act
, which restricts how race is discussed in workplaces, schools, and colleges. He also implemented an Office of Election Crimes and Security, rankling voting rights advocates.


Essentially, she is saying: Desantis might be the next Republican nominee. Desantis would try to enact Republican policy. Therefore, democracy is in danger. Not deep thinking here. (This could be the article's fault and it is not capturing her argument correctly.)

She also talks about how a prosecution is needed to deflate the Trump cult of personality and then shifts to Desantis because of his "absorption" of ideas. But a cult of personality follows the personality, doesn't it? How many cults of personality shift over to another individual and follow them equally (I really don't know)? Also, doesn't absorb just mean learn? Doesn't she just mean Desantis "learned" from Trump what issues are important to the Republicans?

Here's the definition of "authoritarian":

favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Is Desantis more likely to do this than, say, Biden? In comparing him to Mussolini, and no doubt Hitler, aren't those big claims that need big evidence? Where is that evidence that Desantis secretly wants to destroy democracy to the extent of a Mussolini or Hitler? I haven't yet seen it, but I don't follow this stuff as closely as many of you.

This book seems kind of like a shameless money grab pointed directly at progressives who want to confirm their priors that Trump is Hitler incarnate. Here's the blurb about it from her website:

Strongmen​

Mussolini To The Present

Ours is the age of the strongman, of heads of state who damage or destroy democracy, use masculinity as a tool of political legitimacy, and promise law and order rule – and then legitimize lawless behavior by financial, sexual, and other predators. Covering a century of tyranny, this book examines how authoritarians use propaganda, virility, corruption, and violence to stay in power, and how they can be opposed.
agreed. Weak sauce. Trotting out the ridiculous talking points about the so-called Don’t Say Gay bill as an example of something “repressive” is disqualifying. Blind faith in “experts” like her is what’s caused people to not trust experts.

And seriously, BI is a terrible rag. They’re run by a guy that the Sovereign District sued for SEC violations. They’re strictly after right wing personas and are woke morons.

 
agreed. Weak sauce. Trotting out the ridiculous talking points about the so-called Don’t Say Gay bill as an example of something “repressive” is disqualifying. Blind faith in “experts” like her is what’s caused people to not trust experts.

And seriously, BI is a terrible rag. They’re run by a guy that the Sovereign District sued for SEC violations. They’re strictly after right wing personas and are woke morons.

Dems will trot out Harris, Pete, Warren, Sanders in 2024. Will be a very polar election
 
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So the people of Florida agree with him, except for the ones who don't?
Brilliant!
They can vote him out, right?

A large majority of Americans want our idiot President gone. They’re going to get their chance to neuter him in November and kick his ass to the dementia ward of his wife’s choice of Nursing Homes in 2024.
 
Which extreme is dominating the news by their actions and the total wide birth they are being given?
Sorry, but all of the right, except .0001% , just look at the KKK and their ilk and laugh and say piss off go away.
I Hear you, but it's apples to space rocks.
Who is dominating the news? Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawthorne, Paul Gosar, Louis Gohmert, Hershel Walker, Josh Hawley, Ron Johnson…. I could go on. Trump nut cases all. Most of them have pretty interesting back stories too…
 
They can vote him out, right?

A large majority of Americans want our idiot President gone. They’re going to get their chance to neuter him in November and kick his ass to the dementia ward of his wife’s choice of Nursing Homes in 2024.
We've got to fight this cult. DeSantis will do that. My daughter went off to her woke camp this morning with the biggest canker sore I've ever see in my life. It looked like she had a big thing of dip under her lip. As I was her dropping her off I told her to tell everyone it's from the vaccine!!!!

She won't tho. She's already woke
 
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Yes, that's an intentionally inflammatory topic title meant to get your attention, but I think the issue raised in the linked article is actually worthy of discussion. In short, DeSantis is actually more dangerous to democracy than Trump, because he shares all the same authoritarian tendencies, but comes with none of the baggage that might hold him back.

Way too many people see politics as people, not as ideas. You are obviously one of those with this post. The most conspicuous example of course is Trumpism and all the variations to that. This is not just about people here, people who I think are smart bolt from the GOP because if one person. Our institutions are strong, and our system is stronger than any single person. But so long as we have politicians, a media, and voters who think about people instead of ideas and positions, we are operating with half our brains tied behind our back. If there is a problem, it’s our weakened institutions.

As an example, I heard a commentator mention a piece of legislation going to conference committee to work out differences. He said that was unusual these days. We need to get back to that. Congress is an important institution and the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, and McConnel are weakening it with the way they do things now. There is no longer debate and compromise. Everything is cram-down brute force legislation. Pelosi even admitted that Congress must pass BBB because Biden wants it. Ugh!

In short, I think you are flat dead wrong about DeSantis or any other similar politician. But you are more right than you were 30 years ago. If you are worried about this, you should be a strong advocate against NPV, are you?
 
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That’s just a lot of conclusory language strung together. Again, I don’t find her a very deep or careful thinker.

You’ve hit on the only piece of “evidence” in that excerpt with your bolding. And a stray anonymous quote that could be read a few different ways (some innocuously on the topic of whether DeSantis wants to be a dictator) doesn’t persuade me very much.

And of course, even if he did have ambitions to “consolidate his power” if he were president, how far do we think that could go? Is the US Supreme Court really going to bend to the will of any President? Our military? The fed deep state? Doubtful.

I went back and read the whole substack piece. It's hyper-partisan junk, not academic writing. Here are a few statements she makes that I'd expect to hear come out of the worst partisan hacks:

"Florida, Texas, and other Republican-governed states are becoming laboratories of American autocracy, passing legislation that institutionalizes homophobia, and racism."

"Many 21st century authoritarian governments take the form of electoral autocracies. Voters go to the ballot box, but the outcome of the election is often what those in power need it to be. American states like Ohio have long had a version of this system."

I'm not a DeSantis guy. I'm sure if I look closely at his politics I'll find a lot I don't like. But if you're going to make a big claim like "this guy is the next Mussolini" you need to back it up with real evidence and sound arguments. She fails in my opinion.
I think that's a fair criticism.
 
We've got to fight this cult. DeSantis will do that. My daughter went off to her woke camp this morning with the biggest canker sore I've ever see in my life. It looked like she had a big thing of dip under her lip. As I was her dropping her off I told her to tell everyone it's from the vaccine!!!!

She won't tho. She's already woke
What kind of camp. ? Canker sores are the worst! I used to get them all the time. And super embarrassing at that age. She’ll be teased about Herpes. Good news is she won’t be kissing anyone. How old is she. ?
 
What kind of camp. ? Canker sores are the worst! I used to get them all the time. And super embarrassing at that age. She’ll be teased about Herpes. Good news is she won’t be kissing anyone. How old is she. ?
it's just one the school district puts together. Zeke i swear to God half the kids are still wearing masks. She has it hidden behind a mask. So freaking lucky. she'll be 12 in sept. going into 6th grade. first canker sore she's ever had and it is ridiculously huge. comically huge. I actually had her doctor look at lol. she stayed home yesterday but wanted to go so
 
it's just one the school district puts together. Zeke i swear to God half the kids are still wearing masks. She has it hidden behind a mask. So freaking lucky. she'll be 12 in sept. going into 6th grade. first canker sore she's ever had and it is ridiculously huge. comically huge. I actually had her doctor look at lol. she stayed home yesterday but wanted to go so
She stayed home because of a canker sore????

 
Keep trying. You'll get there

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Keep trying. You'll get there

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Also, if you're using a browser just right click the pic or gif and hit "copy image address"

At the top of the reply there is a icon for "Insert Image"

Paste. Enjoy.

If you're on the app....well, it's hot garbage and the "Insert Image" functionality hasn't worked in months. At least not for me.
 
Also, if you're using a browser just right click the pic or gif and hit "copy image address"

At the top of the replay there is a icon for "Insert Image"

Paste. Enjoy.

If you're on the app....well, it's hot garbage and the "Insert Image" functionality hasn't worked in months. At least not for me.
Thought that was what I did.

Don't worry, though, I'll print off these instructions and others I've found from visiting useful webpages and keep them handy in my file drawer here.
 
it's just one the school district puts together. Zeke i swear to God half the kids are still wearing masks. She has it hidden behind a mask. So freaking lucky. she'll be 12 in sept. going into 6th grade. first canker sore she's ever had and it is ridiculously huge. comically huge. I actually had her doctor look at lol. she stayed home yesterday but wanted to go so
Lol. For once the mask is a plus for her! I used to get them all the time from eating pineapple and other acidic foods. They hurt like hell too. Poor thing. So how did she get woke already? Friends? Be aware this is when the hormones start raging! It will be a tough couple years unless you are really lucky. And that age kids, girls especially, can be so freaking mean.
 
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Lol. For once the mask is a plus for her! I used to get them all the time from eating pineapple and other acidic foods. They hurt like hell too. Poor thing. So how did she get woke already? Friends? Be aware this is when the hormones start raging! It will be a tough couple years unless you are really lucky. And that age kids, girls especially, can be so freaking mean.
Her friends, neighbors and school district. Very, very liberal. Yeah I'm already getting nervous. And sad. I'm going to miss that little kid
 
Who is dominating the news? Lauren Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gaetz, Madison Cawthorne, Paul Gosar, Louis Gohmert, Hershel Walker, Josh Hawley, Ron Johnson…. I could go on. Trump nut cases all. Most of them have pretty interesting back stories too…
It’s LIV Golf. That is what is dominating the news.
 
Driving is frightening
She’s been out with me like twice. In a parking lot. Awful.

She’s in drivers Ed this summer. We’ll see how it goes. We’ve got a 13 year old POS that we’ve never traded in because it ain’t worth shit. That’s her car now. She doesn’t believe that and thinks we’re going to buy her something. Hahahahaha. No.

I told her you’ll be begging me for that car when you have a license. She says no way. I know I’m going to win. I’m so excited for when she breaks and asks for the keys.
 
She’s been out with me like twice. In a parking lot. Awful.

She’s in drivers Ed this summer. We’ll see how it goes. We’ve got a 13 year old POS that we’ve never traded in because it ain’t worth shit. That’s her car now. She doesn’t believe that and thinks we’re going to buy her something. Hahahahaha. No.

I told her you’ll be begging me for that car when you have a license. She says no way. I know I’m going to win. I’m so excited for when she breaks and asks for the keys.
Used cars are crazy expensive now! A beater beats hoofin it
 
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She’s been out with me like twice. In a parking lot. Awful.

She’s in drivers Ed this summer. We’ll see how it goes. We’ve got a 13 year old POS that we’ve never traded in because it ain’t worth shit. That’s her car now. She doesn’t believe that and thinks we’re going to buy her something. Hahahahaha. No.

I told her you’ll be begging me for that car when you have a license. She says no way. I know I’m going to win. I’m so excited for when she breaks and asks for the keys.
Ahhh, the joy of parenthood.
 
Nothing like the looks on their faces when you get to crush their dreams.
"I'm not going to say I told you so but......"

It's rough up here in Carmel. Picked her up from soccer practice Wednesday. Talking about this friend of her that just got her license and was driving a "junky white car". Then we see her in front of us. It's a (probably) 2013 or so Honda Accord.

She's going to be super disappointed.
 
What you looking at?

Recently bought a new car (i got it at MSRP) but other models are still like 1 year out for delivery.
Ford Maverick hybrid. After the Bronco debacle I get what I deserve for ordering a new Ford roll out model.
 
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