Hunter Biden on trial

[crazed_hoosier2]

Everything has a cost. It's no different than the SVB bailout and market assets up to par value above their current fair market value.

I view the pre-existing condition similar to an unemployment insurance.

And as regards the UI comparison, wouldn't the cost of FUTA/SUTA be more transparent to people if the taxes found their way to peoples' paychecks and had to be paid to the federal/state agency directly on a monthly, quarterly, or annual basis?

The general argument against doing this is convenience and simplicity. It's far easier to deal with a relatively small number of employers than a much larger number of employees. And I totally get that. But the upshot of it is that it's yet another cost that we've taken labors to hide from people.

 

[snarlcakes]

It means msm is largely worthless. Not a good thing

It's heartbreaking. You can't even trust Whoopi or Joy anymore.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

What father wouldn't give up a little legacy to protect his child?

Dems should be pissed though. This selfishly damages the party. Also sets a bad precedent, although I'm not sure what precedents are even good for, anymore.

Multiple things can be true with the same decision.

While I agree most parents would do something similar, not all would. It seems Joe's lack of quality parenting from the beginning is part of the reason Hunter thinks he can get away with some ridiculous behavior - and that's before you take into account the partying, drugs, etc. At some point, you want your kids to learn lessons and this does nothing to further that for Hunter.

Secondly, I agree that he made this decision for his own benefit and he has the right to do so. It isn't great for the party at all and looks particularly bad given all of the drama around going after Trump and Biden promising not to use his power to help his family. That being said, do you think Biden gives a shit any more? He was basically forced not to run (which was the right decision but he probably doesn't agree) by the party, so I can see him saying, "fvck it, I have to take care of my family and I don't care about the collateral damage because I don't have that long left".

Lastly, it is terrible in terms of setting precedent because it's blatant abuse of power. Everyone likes America because there is far less corruption. This doesn't feel like that.

 

[TyWebbIU]

 

[Ohio Guy]

No you’re just dumb. And it’s a shame. You and Ohio guy and so many others can’t see things objectively. That tribalism will be the downfall of our system. Seeking confirmation bias instead of a discerning eye got us to this point

You keep saying that about me and I'm not sure why. I'm actually curious why you think that I don't see things objectively. I think you're making wild and wrong assumptions here, at least about me.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You keep saying that about me and I'm not sure why. I'm actually curious why you think that I don't see things objectively. I think you're making wild and wrong assumptions here, at least about me.

I think in your head you may believe that but you are a cosmic level poster when it comes to bias. College campus woke type that doesn’t see the forest for the trees. Sorry. I’ve read enough of your posts to know that. I’d still pound beers with you and avoid politics

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

How do all the GOP/MAGA members fit their fainting couches up on their high horses?

 

[Ohio Guy]

I'm shocked. The media said Democrats are the party of law and order and that the GOP is the facist party led by Hitler. Does this mean Democracy is ending?

I'm not sure there is anything correlating about your post. Even if Joe Biden turned out to be the most corrupt president in US history, that doesn't automatically absolve Trump of his inadequacies, shortcomings or crimes.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

It seems Joe's lack of quality parenting from the beginning is part of the reason Hunter thinks he can get away with some ridiculous behavior - and that's before you take into account the partying, drugs, etc. At some point, you want your kids to learn lessons and this does nothing to further that for Hunter.

I'm 100% in on the notion of enabling adult children who can't seem to get out of their own way. I've witnessed the unintended consequences of this my entire life with my brother -- who had many run-ins with the law for most of his adult life. My mother felt so sorry for him and such a responsibility, that she would pay for this or that and always go well out of her way to insulate him from the negative effects of his actions.

It may have felt right for her to do this, but it was only encouraging the misbehavior. I finally convinced her of this, and my brother has been in much better shape ever since.

But how sure are you that Joe Biden was a bad father from the beginning? From what I know, Beau turned out OK...in fact, I'd say he turned out better than OK. I'm not sure about the daughter. But I also know that the family went through a couple terrible crises, with the car wreck and that.

 

[Ohio Guy]

I think in your head you may believe that but you are a cosmic level poster when it comes to bias. College campus woke type that doesn’t see the forest for the trees. Sorry. I’ve read enough of your posts to know that. I’d still pound beers with you and avoid politics

"College campus woke type." Talk about bias. You found out I currently live in a college town and automatically made a sweeping assumption. Why do you think that that? Because I don't like Trump?

I've made no effort to hide that I lean left, but I'd also argue outside of voting for against Trump because I believe he's a corrupt, unfit moron but I think you'd have to have a pretty wide definition of 'woke' to fit anything I've posted here under that umbrella.

 

[mcmurtry66]

"College campus woke type." Talk about bias. You found out I currently live in a college town and automatically made a sweeping assumption. Why do you think that that? Because I don't like Trump?

I've made no effort to hide that I lean left, but I'd also argue outside of voting for against Trump because I believe he's a corrupt, unfit moron but I think you'd have to have a pretty wide definition of 'woke' to fit anything I've posted here under that umbrella.

You don’t see it. I can’t help you see it. Regardless of the topic you will take the side of the left. Often you go to great lengths to defend the indefensible. Your assertion belies your history of posts. I count you amongst the farthest left posters on the board. I also think you’re wrong far more often than right. Sorry. Just my opinion. It doesn’t count for anything

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

I'm 100% in on the notion of enabling adult children who can't seem to get out of their own way. I've witnessed the unintended consequences of this my entire life with my brother -- who had many run-ins with the law for most of his adult life. My mother felt so sorry for him and such a responsibility, that she would pay for this or that and always go well out of her way to insulate him from the negative effects of his actions.

It may have felt right for her to do this, but it was only encouraging the misbehavior. I finally convinced her of this, and my brother has been in much better shape ever since.

But how sure are you that Joe Biden was a bad father from the beginning? From what I know, Beau turned out OK...in fact, I'd say he turned out better than OK. I'm not sure about the daughter. But I also know that the family went through a couple terrible crises, with the car wreck and that.

Fair, from the beginning isn't a fair statement.

 

[Ohio Guy]

You don’t see it. I can’t help you see it. Regardless of the topic you will take the side of the left. Often you go to great lengths to defend the indefensible. Your assertion belies your history of posts. I count you amongst the farthest left posters on the board. I also think you’re wrong far more often than right. Sorry. Just my opinion. It doesn’t count for anything

I think you're dead wrong about this. It just isn't true. The fact that you can't come up with a single example belies your assertion. I don't like Trump and admittedly lean left - guilty as charged. I rarely defend myself here, but JDB tried to call me out in the post I made about Sam Harris a few months back by saying he didn't think I knew where Harris stood on a number of topics. I actually align with Harris more often that not. I think Bill Maher is mostly spot on with his commentary as well.

I do think Trump is a moron who is grossly unfit for office and for the most part I've thought anyone he was running against was more tolerable. I think you have blinders for anything contrary to a pro-MAGA message. That and you think anyone who happens to live in a college town is a communist/socialist/etc.

If you think I'm far left, you should spend some time in college towns. Or east/west coast cities.

 

[TyWebbIU]

You keep saying that about me and I'm not sure why. I'm actually curious why you think that I don't see things objectively. I think you're making wild and wrong assumptions here, at least about me.

I’m not sure why he pointed to you “and many others on this board” as being hyper partisan. I’m the one that asked for this by calling him out on his love for Obama. He should have just stuck with going at me. I apologize you were caught in the crossfire. That’s what happens when people aren’t able to control their emotions. They start firing random shots in all directions. It’s sad really and not a reflection of you or the many others on this board he mentioned. Just me.

Stick with taking shots at me Lisa. I’m the one that called you out.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

 

[TyWebbIU]

I think you're dead wrong about this. It just isn't true. The fact that you can't come up with a single example belies your assertion. I don't like Trump and admittedly lean left - guilty as charged. I rarely defend myself here, but JDB tried to call me out in the post I made about Sam Harris a few months back by saying he didn't think I knew where Harris stood on a number of topics. I actually align with Harris more often that not. I think Bill Maher is mostly spot on with his commentary as well.

I do think Trump is a moron who is grossly unfit for office and for the most part I've thought anyone he was running against was more tolerable. I think you have blinders for anything contrary to a pro-MAGA message. That and you think anyone who happens to live in a college town is a communist/socialist/etc.

If you think I'm far left, you should spend some time in college towns. Or east/west coast cities.

You’re far left, I’m far right, and he’s just right. In the center. Hilarious.

 

[Lucy01]

I think you're dead wrong about this. It just isn't true. The fact that you can't come up with a single example belies your assertion. I don't like Trump and admittedly lean left - guilty as charged. I rarely defend myself here, but JDB tried to call me out in the post I made about Sam Harris a few months back by saying he didn't think I knew where Harris stood on a number of topics. I actually align with Harris more often that not. I think Bill Maher is mostly spot on with his commentary as well.

I do think Trump is a moron who is grossly unfit for office and for the most part I've thought anyone he was running against was more tolerable. I think you have blinders for anything contrary to a pro-MAGA message. That and you think anyone who happens to live in a college town is a communist/socialist/etc.

If you think I'm far left, you should spend some time in college towns. Or east/west coast cities.

Trump is Billionaire and you are a Harris voter, we know who the moron is!

 

[hoot1]

I'm 100% in on the notion of enabling adult children who can't seem to get out of their own way. I've witnessed the unintended consequences of this my entire life with my brother -- who had many run-ins with the law for most of his adult life. My mother felt so sorry for him and such a responsibility, that she would pay for this or that and always go well out of her way to insulate him from the negative effects of his actions.

It may have felt right for her to do this, but it was only encouraging the misbehavior. I finally convinced her of this, and my brother has been in much better shape ever since.

But how sure are you that Joe Biden was a bad father from the beginning? From what I know, Beau turned out OK...in fact, I'd say he turned out better than OK. I'm not sure about the daughter. But I also know that the family went through a couple terrible crises, with the car wreck and that.

Craze, as a father I share many of your mother's feelings
in regard to your brother.

Also have empathy for Biden in respect to his son's pardon.

As a father I cannot help but feel responsible for whatever happens to my children. Often ask myself, should I have done things differently in raising my children.

In Beau's case, Joe may wonder if he handled his son's addiction problems correctly. On top of that, would Beau have faced a conviction if his father hadn't been a high profile politician?

Given the authority to pardon his son, a good many of us fathers would never forgive ourselves if we didn't use it.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Trump is Billionaire and you are a Harris voter, we know who the moron is!

Whoever runs this handle isn't even trying anymore.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I think you're dead wrong about this. It just isn't true. The fact that you can't come up with a single example belies your assertion. I don't like Trump and admittedly lean left - guilty as charged. I rarely defend myself here, but JDB tried to call me out in the post I made about Sam Harris a few months back by saying he didn't think I knew where Harris stood on a number of topics. I actually align with Harris more often that not. I think Bill Maher is mostly spot on with his commentary as well.

I do think Trump is a moron who is grossly unfit for office and for the most part I've thought anyone he was running against was more tolerable. I think you have blinders for anything contrary to a pro-MAGA message. That and you think anyone who happens to live in a college town is a communist/socialist/etc.

If you think I'm far left, you should spend some time in college towns. Or east/west coast cities.

We’ve had debates over prices, the economy, the border, every last issue. I’m not taking the time to revisit them. If you’ve forgotten same I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You’re far left, I’m far right, and he’s just right. In the center. Hilarious.

Correct

 

[Ohio Guy]

We’ve had debates over prices, the economy, the border, every last issue. I’m not taking the time to revisit them. If you’ve forgotten same I don’t know what to tell you.

Then you're misusing the term 'woke.' My stance on the border is far from 'woke' - I know for a fact that I've been critical of Biden's handling of the border and said that it would have fallen on Harris to right size those missteps. We certainly had our differences on inflation. But you're still flat out wrong about me being 'woke' on 'every last issue.'

I hate the term 'woke' but I'm pretty sure you're wrong in how you're defining it. Or at least how you're applying it to who you think I am and what I believe.

 

[NPT]

Do people saying this realize that they're submarining their own arguments against Trump when they resort to this?

I don't think they do or hope others are too dumb to see it.

I like Obama

I am concerned about you. 🤣 🤣

Rules and norms. Give me a break. Which party was going to blow up the filibuster if they took the senate? Funny we don’t hear that talked about anymore.

If either side was really serious in changing the filibuster they would vote in new rules that take affect AFTER then next election when they don't know who's going to control the senate.

Do I think the people falling over themselves because he did it when nothing was said about who Trump pardoned is being hypocritical, absolutely.

I think they are falling all over themselves because of all the crap slung at Trump when he pardoned people.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Then you're misusing the term 'woke.' My stance on the border is far from 'woke' - I know for a fact that I've been critical of Biden's handling of the border and said that it would have fallen on Harris to right size those missteps. We certainly had our differences on inflation. But you're still flat out wrong about me being 'woke' on 'every last issue.'

I hate the term 'woke' but I'm pretty sure you're wrong in how you're defining it. Or at least how you're applying it to who you think I am and what I believe.

I think whatever issue arises you will side with the left and or defend the left. It’s your default. I think you have zero objectivity.

 

[snarlcakes]

There's a case to be made that Obamacare flattened the cost increases in healthcare. Personally, I don't think it tells the whole story (it's based on the assumption that we consume healthcare the same as we did before). But, leaving that aside, there's an argument to be made.

Do you have other information on healthcare costs? I've only ever read it's increased healthcare cost, which logically makes sense. If you're going to insure and provide healthcare to more people, the costs should increase.

 

[NPT]

While I agree most parents would do something similar, not all would.

Sure I would probably do the same thing but I'd have enough sense not to go around saying I wouldn't pardon him.

I actually align with Harris more often that not.

If you align with her you must be laying on your left side,,,, not leaning left.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Sure I would probably do the same thing but I'd have enough sense not to go around saying I wouldn't pardon him.


If you align with her you must be laying on your left side,,,, not leaning left.

Go back and actually read the post you're replying to before replying to it. Literally the sentence before the one you quoted.

 

[Ohio Guy]

I think whatever issue arises you will side with the left and or defend the left. It’s your default. I think you have zero objectivity.

I am more center/middle of the road than you and your far-right views are. Whatever weird bubble you're living in somewhere in suburbia St. Louis seems pretty shut off from the rest of the world.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I am more center/middle of the road than you and your far-right views are. Whatever weird bubble you're living in somewhere in suburbia St. Louis seems pretty shut off from the rest of the world.

Gtfo in Athens Ohio. Your exposure is zero. You’re a radical lefty with zero objectivity.

 

[hookyIU1990]

 

[Ohio Guy]

Given the authority to pardon his son, a good many of us fathers would never forgive ourselves if we didn't use it.

Murt will probably label me a crazy far-left woke mob leftist for this, but I agree with this. I'm not excusing any wrongs Hunter Biden did, but I agree that most of us would do the same thing Joe Biden did here.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Yeah, I really don't have too much issue with the idea of Joe pardoning Hunter.

But (a) he should never have said he wasn't going to, (b) the fact he said he wouldn't and did it anyway makes Trump's case on the indictment of "the swamp" better than Trump himself could ever make it, and (c) I'm really not that keen on the blanket nature of it.

That last part has been unusual, at the very least, since Nixon. Will it become less unusual now?

I guess I don’t understand why they would do the blanket part? Do they know or suspect of other crimes Hunter has committed or are they just covering all their bases because of the type of person Hunter Biden is?

 

[Ohio Guy]

Gtfo in Athens Ohio. Your exposure is zero. You’re a radical lefty with zero objectivity.

Typically far-right MAGA suburban bubble response.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Murt will probably label me a crazy far-left woke mob leftist for this, but I agree with this. I'm not excusing any wrongs Hunter Biden did, but I agree that most of us would do the same thing Joe Biden did here.

What crazed pointed out was your take on the big guy. Requiring conclusive. A standard you would never require for trump. For Biden you will suspend common sense.

What’s more what do you think of the ridiculous breadth of the pardon? Hmmmm. Do you now realize Joe is just a serial liar as shitty as the rest? From classified docs (no one is above the law) to hunter I won’t pardon him (no one is above the law) to lying about matters touching us all: inflation etc. guy is indefensible. Would you agree?

 

[twenty02]

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700 grand on hookers over a few years.

2018 looks like it was a hell of a year...

 

[mcmurtry66]

Typically far-right MAGA suburban bubble response.

My burb is a mile from the most dangerous city in America. We have cops at our target. We’re in and out of the city daily. We know the impact of Soros DAs. Woke policies. This isn’t Athens

 

[dbmhoosier]

I guess I don’t understand why they would do the blanket part? Do they know or suspect of other crimes Hunter has committed or are they just covering all their bases because of the type of person Hunter Biden is?

Do you think 10s of millions have been flowing into the Biden family coffers for the last 10 years for nothing?

 

[IUclover]

Pardoning Hunter was the right thing to do. Of all the lunacy coming in the next few years, this put a smile on my face. The family first party strikes again.

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Pardoning Hunter was the right thing to do. Of all the lunacy coming in the next few years, this put a smile on my face. The family first party strikes again.

Keep that energy when Trump starts pardoning 1/6 grandmothers.