Gay conversion therapy is the better analogy. I'm fine with outlawing that, even if the parents desperately want it and they can find some psych experts to agree.
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Is skin color the only factor where the property values are lowered, or are there others to be considered?
Not all, though, right? What types of therapy does it ban? The kind that encourages the child to consider themselves the opposite sex? A type that refers to the body of an X and the soul or mind of a Y? We need specifics to properly analyze this, don't we?I have seen multiple sites say exactly that
Ohio House overrides governor Mike DeWine's veto of gender-affirming care ban
The law would ban types of gender-affirming care, such as surgery and hormone therapy, for those under 18 and also bars transgender girls and women from playing on women's sports teams.www.google.com
2024 needs to be the year you learn the IGNORE function. It will make your experience here better.
There are ten rules to being a member of the dream team. Not putting anyone on ignore is #7
A starting point, here:
Psychologists are not legally required to affirm the gender identities of their patients
A psychotherapist who works with gender distressed young people without affirming their gender identities in California, where "conversion therapy" is banned, explains why her practice is legal
wesleyyang.substack.com
Not directly on point, but this psychotherapist complains about the quick path most want them to put children on, while also affirming the importance of therapy while suggesting one need not engage in gender "affirming" care to help the patient
Does that fall under a sub-heading of requiring toxic masculinity?
That’s actually a rule. #2. Anyway drop it. I can’t divulge more. For your safety…..Does that fall under a sub-heading of requiring toxic masculinity?
@VanPastorMan, I'm sure there might be some. But that's not the vast majority of what's going on here.
Some mental illness is genetic, some environmental, most a combo of both. Blaming a parent for a child's mental illness, though, is unfair and incorrect. They most likely didn't "cause" it in the way you are suggesting.
These parents are reacting to a real phenomena in their children. The cause of gender dysphoria can be varied. And the child might just be searching for a band aid on a much different problem (the most benign might be just plain old attention seeking. But it is also highly correlated with kids on the autism spectrum, and seen in kids with schizophrenia). But when it reaches the point of the child threatening or attempting to harm themselves because of the illness, the parents are put into a really tough spot. And if a medical or psychological expert tells you the best way to keep your kid alive is to allow them to have a surgery or give them these drugs, what are you supposed to do?
I know a lot of men who have mentally ill children--one had gender dysphoria diagnosed (in San Fran) and the dad pushed back. It led to a divorce (actually it sped it up--it was going to happen anyway). Daughter is still mentally ill, but outgrew the gender dysphoria. She attempted suicide a few times, though, and it was a living hell for his family. He was not a crazy parent and did not want his daughter to be a son.
Out grew it. Well imagine that
Yeah, but she was institutionalized on and off for about a year. At age 13-14.
The suicide thing is scary. I don't know how useful the analogy, but suicide is also a threat with kids with eating disorders. What do you do with an anorexic kid who threatens suicide if you force them to eat? Let them be anorexic, even if that means destroying their bodies and eventual death? Maybe the difference between the two is that if you perform surgery or hormone therapy in the gender dysphoric kid, it won't klll them where anorexia will?
This isn't an easy subject. But thinking the therapists or psychiatrists are performing a complex balancing of risk in each, individual kid and developing % odds of suicide vs. not is not accurate, either. First, they are incentivized certain ways. Second, it's an impossible calculation, with too many variables and unknown causal factors at play. And parents can't do it because they are too emotionally involved.
50-60 percent increase is meaningless without knowing the starting point. What was the % of "out" kids like 20 years ago and what is the % today? I honestly don't know. But if it was 1% 20 years ago and it's 1.50% then it's most likely an acceptance issue.
I don’t know which is cause and which is effect. But as you noted, medical compensation ( at the PC level) is down, so smart overachieving white males (best and brightest) are moving on.
The problem with your point is that you assume there is such a thing as child gender dysphoria. I think that question is open. The only diagnostic tool is self report, behaviors, and parental beliefs. I think all of that is unreliable and subject to preconceptions and confirmation bias.
If a child wanted to sell their bodies for sex at age 14, should that be allowed or encouraged? How do we make the distinctions?
What does acceptance have to do with it? If we accepted child sex trade, we would see more of it. Acceptance is a cultural metric, not a medical one.
Maybe I worded it wrong. I meant 20 years ago being gay was less acceptable to general society as it is today. So more people remained in the closet. Someone mentioned that 50-60% more kids are identifying as gay today. I'm saying that its most likely due to it being more accepted today. The are not more gay people today but their is more people who feel comfortable being open about it. And that's a good thing.
and i believe that is part of it and i believe that the other part is goofy woke cultists imputing it upon their children.
adults should be able to be anything they want without grief from people who don't share their views or lifestyle. with kids we have to use extreme caution and care. saying well a doctor thinks they should and so does mom isn't dispositive of anything for the reasons set forth above by other posters
I'm still waiting for the epidemic of beastiality we were told would happen.
Great point about how this young girl grew out of this dysphoria. What if she had had surgeries and been pumped up with drugs? I feel bad for this young woman. Mental illness is as you said is coming from a variety of factors. My sister had a husband who was manic depressive. There was a ton of turmoil. One of her sons inherited this as well. But the other son did not. Who can explain it?
So the dad going to Purdue is what really f##ed her up. PS. Pediatricians don’t do the surgery.Sounds like the suicide rate is similar with or without op...just flawed mentally due to whatever.
Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden
Context The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex reassignment. Objective To estimate mortality...journals.plos.org
I know one "trans kid" personally. Daughter and her were playmates at Gymboree, and even played soccer together at 4 in Dallas. She now calls herself a he/him and dresses like one of those emo kids in black with blue hair and the cat-lady glasses. No surgery yet, not sure about hormones.
Kid's dad (Purdue guy) came out as gay when she was about 6. Parents got divorced. Dad now bangs dudes. Mom's been married 2 times since then...so the girl's had like 3 different "families" as her mom runs through her dudes...and she's 13.
So...yeah...in this case, probably more of an emotional reaction caused by a fuxked up childhood.
But then again, I'm not an "expert"...not a "pediatrician" that makes money cutting off teenagers racks. I'm just spit-balling.
How can there not be legitimate trans kids? Are there not legitimate gay kids? At the age of 18 do they suddenly become legitimate?
How do you know? It appears to be the answer to happiness and self acceptance for many.
I'll make you a deal. If I post a screenshot of the message I sent him, you stop posting here entirely.
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I had this discussion a few weeks ago. In order to get blockers or surgery when not needed the patient would have to have: A. Crazy parents ( as mc says, purple haired woke cult) , B a complicit counselor or therapist, C. An evil, immoral doctor, just out to make a buck D. A hospital or administrator who ignores all of the above.
I find it hard to believe that happens very often. Others seem to think that is the norm.
too extreme. they aren't evil and immoral. they just have an incentive. healthcare isn't a charity it's business. as is therapy
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Never said no dem supported blm. I said it wasn't a dem political movement.
Your inability to understand the English language is par for the course for you.
If people being wrong led to account deletion then you should have left a long time ago.
Irradicate. and of course it was a dem political movement. now go back to the children's table. adults are talking and not about your topic
Trans and gay are not analogous. Being gay does not lead to permanent changes in body chemistry or disfigurement.
This is what I’ll never understand. These are Republicans who know and work closely with Trump. It would be in their benefit NOT to say these things. But they speak out, hoping it will wake people up to the danger of Trump. But nope. His cult continue to think they know him better than those people. I’m not sure how we recover from these people and the cult of Trump.
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Yea, that is why blm protested covid lockdown, because dem party controlled them
You are completely ignorant of facts
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Apparently stupid attracts like minded people so can understand why mcm is infatuated
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