From what little I know about "possibilities" Beard is at the top of my list, but I'm not a knowedgeable fan here, and only know the "big" names: Stevens, Oats, Pearl, Drew, Beard, May, etc... Of that list, I only believe Beard and May are even possibilities and Beard has way more track record than May. But, I've said all along you hire an investigator to check out his background and truly see if this was a one time event, and interview him and see if he convinces you he's made amends. To me those would include stopping drinking, and ending it with the woman. I could understand the second, but if drinking played a part and you're serious about changing, you should stop drinking.
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I have two beautiful 12 year old daughters that already attract attention. I concluded long ago there is no way for me to adequately protect them so martial arts training since six and small arms training beginning in a couple years. I figure they will have fallback employment as international assassins.
I still apparently have a different view than you and believe the last thing the vast majority of men want is to hurt a woman or child, It’s deep in our genetics. No question that alcohol and drugs change propensity for violence for both men and women . I do all that I can that their behavior will not lead to high risk drug or alcohol abuse environments.
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My quotes about citing coach Knight had to do with his coaching philosophy. Nothing else. I myself have 4 grown daughters (22-29) and not a proponent of violence. But I also know we have each done something stupid. Maybe Beard screwed up, but haven’t heard anything since. Maybe forgiveness should play a part. My point is that obviously he is a good coach, and he should have the opportunity to be interviewed.
I would assume the entire staff will be cleared out which I agree with, we need a whole new culture in the locker room
Spent a lot of time with Chris Beard. Never witnessed any sort of drinking issue. I have seen a no nonsense really hard working young assistant. Maybe Steve Downing, Pat Knight and Stew Robinson have a valuable opinion on the subject.
Most men naturally want to protect women. It is one of the reasons why I don't want women in combat on the front lines. If a soldier has to spend time trying to protect the women on the field then they aren't paying as much attention in killing the enemy.I have two beautiful 12 year old daughters that already attract attention. I concluded long ago there is no way for me to adequately protect them so martial arts training since six and small arms training beginning in a couple years. I figure they will have fallback employment as international assassins.
I still apparently have a different view than you and believe the last thing the vast majority of men want is to hurt a woman or child, It’s deep in our genetics. No question that alcohol and drugs change propensity for violence for both men and women . I do all that I can that their behavior will not lead to high risk drug or alcohol abuse environments.
true. I just feel like we all have to stop torturing ourselves. And we're still idolizing him from the 2011-2013 era.
The dude hasn't coached college ball in more than a decade, and that world (due to NIL/portal) no longer exists.
They also make targeted high value hostages. See recent Israeli hostages. When I even see a photo of a female hostage it upsets me to the point I am ready to board a plane to help. It’s in our genes.
I've researched it quite a bit. So why did Beard accept the termination and move on? The University of Texas found his behavior a violation of his employment. What did you find in your research that says otherwise?
I think most of us have researched it quite a bit. No, Texas should not have. She recanted her story, as is often the case in domestic violence cases. What do you think happens after the police leave? How do you think she got bite marks and lacerations on her face? That is in the police report. Other schools have investigated him and passed. Why do you think he is at Mississippi and not Kentucky?
We’ve had multiple threads here on him. It is embarrassing the number of people who will look beyond this because he’s a good basketball coach. I’d be willing to bet it’s not an isolated incident. It rarely is. The one thing that might change my mind is if he did have a drinking problem and has stopped.
I think because he is one of us and he performed a basketball miracle. He deserves a huge huge portion of respect. If he says -I told you once no so quite hassling me and filed a restraining order against Dolson. I would still think the next time we need a coach that Stevens is going to say yes.
I actually don’t think there are many , if any guys on this board that think that way. It’s why it’s so disappointing to read all the excuses. ( it could have been sex play…lol )
But the transfer portal and our NIL funds make a quick turnaround extremely possible.
Not in the transfer portal NIL era and the resources IU has. Just look at what Cig did with football. The ship can be turned around fast if you hire the right guy.
That’s good to know. Do you know him personally or professionally? Just curious but that’s actually a good idea to talk to some of those guys.
How much are you willing to bet? He WILL be a candidate, unless Dolson already knows who he can get.
I’m not trying to be rude… do you have some inside knowledge of Dolson’s list? You said “from what you’re seeing”
Sounds like a lot of assumptions there. Who are the other schools that investigated him and passed on him? He took the Ol Miss job pretty quickly. The event was Dec 2022 and he took the Ol Miss job March 2023. You think he was approached by "other schools" before that? Who?
I've said steadily all along: investigate him and if he doesn't convince you he's remorseful and changed (ie. stopped drinking and broken up with the woman for instance), OR if an investigator turns up other incidents (he's divorced, if he's an abuser, most likely his ex or any other former GF will know) such as prior police calls for DV, restraining orders, DUIs, bar fights, lawsuits, etc... you pass.
I think we both can guess how she got those injuries, but it also does happen that people do fake injuries, like scratching themselves, or grabbing/reddening their neck if they know police are coming. So, I'm not precluding that either. My take is, I wasn't there, so I don't know the circumstances and I can look past that if it was a solitary event and he is remorseful and has made changes to insure it never happens again. Whatever happened to the principles of presumed innocence or giving someone a second chance? We just had 2 Presidents pardon thousands of criminals and one of them is a convicted felon and found guilty of sexual abuse. I think it would be negligent not to consider and investigate probably the very best candidate in terms of proven results, experience and age and dismiss him on the face of things.
Well I’ve seen several media folks and semi insiders at IU say he is not. I guess we’ll see.
I’m going to try to figure out how to bite myself on the face and then I’ll get back with you.
Why do you think he didn’t fight the Texas dismissal?
I had read on the UK board that some of them wanted him and he was vetted.
I’m fine if they want to do due diligence. I just know that’s it’s extremely rare for domestic abuse to be a one time issue.
He might be a thought but it's not looking like Beard will be a serious candidate. Things can obviously change as agents turn down offers but looks like Beard is not at the top of the current list
I’m guessing it won’t be one of those names, but, here is a question;
If IU were to hire any of the below coaches, what would our FLOOR be as a program?
1. Stevens
2. Pearl
3. Few
4. May
I agree, so as I said if you're Dolson: do your job and spend $2K hire an investigator and if, as we both agree, he'll turn up other stuff, OR if you talk to him about it and he doesn't convince you he's remorseful and made changes to address it, move on. Don't think you need to make anything up saying other schools have vetted and rejected him. I can't believe how many folks have blown up over this. Let the AD do his job and consider all the best candidates and weed through them and get us our best coach since RMK.
PS. here's what Wiki said about the police report: "bite marks on her arm and cuts on her face and leg"... not on her face. I think you and a couple others seem to close to this and my guess is have DV incidents in your past. Feels very personal, and I can understand that, but it also might make some not capable of an objective view. Honestly, all the blow back against CB makes me think less of him as a candidate, but I think you have to rule him out on evidence and facts, not feelings.
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Its an interesting question...
Stevens...I think with him being out of college coaching for 10 years... there probably is somewhat of a risk that he doesn't adapt back to it well...and our floor ends up being a Bubble level NCAA team. Ceiling...powerhouse, natty contender most years.
Pearl...I think his floor is probably the highest of all these guys. And his ceiling is probably a little below Stevens. He'd have us as a B10 contender basically every year. But maybe not quite the dominant ceiling Stevens could bring.
Few...I think he'd get us basically to where he's gotten Gonzaga. His "floor" would be NCAA at large team, his ceiling would be similar to what he's done in his best years at Gonzaga...maybe a little higher ceiling...he probably could hang a banner at some point. But I don't think his ceiling is even close to Stevens, or even Pearl.
May... Probably the lowest floor... His Crean vibes, to me, open up the possibility of him having years where he doesn't jive with his players as well, and misses the NCAA's. He had a handful of very mediocre years so far. And he followed up his FF year, by not winning his conference, with largely the same players. His ceiling is probably unknown, at this point. He hasn't finished his first P4 season. I'd guess his ceiling is probably similar to Few's.
I think it ought to be abundantly clear by now that, barring something unforeseen, Mark Few isn't leaving Gonzaga. Not for Indiana, not for the NBA, not for anybody.
He's long had opportunities to go elsewhere -- including, as I recall, here.
I also don't get the obsession with Brad Stevens. I mean, if that could happen...great. But there's no reason to think it's a possibility.
I've pushed for IU hiring Bruce Pearl for decades. But our "Goody Two Shoes" brigade would just never have it. At this point in time, he's in the homestretch of his career. Should've hired him a long time ago. I'm very confident we'd be hanging more banners if we had. But the Debbie Downers just wouldn't hear it.
He's long had opportunities to go elsewhere -- including, as I recall, here.
I also don't get the obsession with Brad Stevens. I mean, if that could happen...great. But there's no reason to think it's a possibility.
I've pushed for IU hiring Bruce Pearl for decades. But our "Goody Two Shoes" brigade would just never have it. At this point in time, he's in the homestretch of his career. Should've hired him a long time ago. I'm very confident we'd be hanging more banners if we had. But the Debbie Downers just wouldn't hear it.
No. Completely up to the new coach. Nothing against Calbert but he's not a "must keep" either.
And, yet here you are, yet again! Been hearing what for awhile: that NIL can make for a quick turnaround? Like at UL, UK and UM all with their first year head coach, and all markedly improved? Our coach is in year 4; nothing quick about that and NIL either didn't exist or was in it's infancy when he was hired, so you haven't been hearing that at IU, which makes your post, stupid, STOOPID. Troll better.
Just to be clear those 4 names thrown out are not 4 coaches necessarily interested in Indiana Basketball, it's 4 coaches that IU is supposedly reaching to first. So yes I agree I don't see a world where we land Pearl, Few, or Stevens, or even May for that matter, but most likely it looks like it's up to them to say no
What I have read on here is that there are a few folks (perhaps due to personal/firsthand experience and/or trauma) who will absolutely grant the guy no second chances because of the incident between him and his fiance. There is another group who think there's enough of a possibility that it was a one-time thing that got out of hand, to at least consider the guy.
I see nobody on here advocating for hiring a known, proven, abuser.
Something happened. The two of them are the only ones who know what or why. I guess they are still together, so they have apparently reconciled for several years now with no further incidents.
At this point I think everyone has stated his/her opinion on the matter. IU will or (probably) will not consider him as a candidate. If they do I am sure they will do their due diligence. If they don't, he'll continue to coach where he can, probably quite successfully.
Yeoh. Schools have been throwing bags of money at Mark Few for 20 years. Now the guy is 62 years old and suddenly he's going to say, sure, I'll pull up roots and move to Indiana now? In what world is that even plausible? The guy has been at Gonzaga since Jesus wore short pants. He's not coming to Bloomington. And really, I'm not sure I'd want a coach on the downslope at this point.
Why has no one questioned Chris Beard’s judgement in staying in a relationship with a woman who called the police on him for “no reason”? Why would you risk that as a high profile figure? Sure—some would say…”but he loves her”. Again, if she’s made it all up or even exaggerated, then why stay and chance further accusations? There’s something very codependent going on and is worth a deep dive. And how would the BOT view a HC cohabitating? Why haven’t they married?
I think he is, which for me is a red flag, but maybe not a final deciding thing. Still with her, and still drinking (assuming drinking played a role in the initial altercation)? That, or finding out there were other episodes of DV, would disqualify him.
