After the last four and a half years of what we saw with progressives I just don’t get it. There’s no equivalency. Progressives have no equivalence. They are that bad. I’m all good with Dems. Hell shapiro. Take trump out. Fine by me. But we literally had a bail project murder where I walk every morning. Something like 25,000 cases dismissed by a soros prosecutor. Open border letting criminals come across. And Harris lies through her teeth about all of it. She’s a danger far worse than anything I could have ever imagined in 30 years of being around this stuff.
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I get it. But like the article suggested, maybe I’m in the mode of it won’t go as far as they say.
And Trump is singularly awful.
singularly awful doesn't translate to actual policies and actions that impact our activities of daily living. i can literally point to an out of state bail project that sprung a kid with a prior criminal action putting a gun on cops who then got out and murdered a guy right where my daughter and her friends hang out, where i walk every day. so you can say he's singularly awful but those are just words. i'm sharing with you the direct consequences of the actions of progressives. do you know what 25,000 cases dismissed does to a community?
trump is awful. in words. in rhetoric. progressives are a danger to our activities of daily living, unless you live in some remote college town in the middle of nowhere. then it's a boogeyman. there are bad, dangerous people in the world. progessives are clueless to that simple reality. they want to let them cross the border. spring em from jail. it's ridiculous.
even today harris wouldn't comment her take on stricter sentencing. why? she's a nutjob radical california progressive
I love the total disconnect. On the one hand people say he's a loon but they appreciate his policies. Then when he advocates some policy that demonstrates he's a ****ing lunatic (like deporting millions of people) the same people say he's just posturing, it's just a threat, he knows that would be an economical and logistical nightmare and he isn't really going to do it...
So people are voting for a total lunatic who advocates for insane actions. Like universal tariffs and deporting untold millions (like the Gestapo did in places like Eastern Europe) and the comeback is he won't enact the policies you "love"?
Illegal immigrant charged in death of St. Louis police officer
Officer David Lee, an 18-year veteran of the force, leaves behind a wife and two children.
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St. Louis’ former Soros-backed prosecutor Kim Gardner admits misusing public funds to save herself - The Heartlander
A disgraced former St. Louis circuit attorney bankrolled by billionaire liberal George Soros now admits pilfering over $5,000 in public money to save her personal law license. But the agreement doesn’t signal the end to investigations of forced-out prosecutor Kimberly M. Gardner over the...
Clayton shooting victim interrupted suspect during car break-in, police say
Trenell Johnson was arrested and charged with second-degree murder and armed criminal action in Clayton's first homicide in nearly two decades.
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we didn't have a murder in two decades. throw in progressive bullshit and this is what you get with an out of state bail project.
Multiple fights led Wash U to cancel ThurtenE Carnival
'The safety of our community is always our highest priority,' a Washington University spokesperson said.
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Second Carjacking Within Past Three Months In Webster Groves
A carjacking over the weekend in Webster Groves is now the second “bump-and-rob” incident in the past three months.
murder where i and my kids hang out. daily. zoo closed. wash u carnival closed. carjackings at my ex's house and where i play soccer. cop killed by an illegal. this is all in the last year and a half. i hear trump is awful but i see in my activities of daily living how soft on crime open borders bullshit literally impacts the activities of daily living of my family and friends.
so no i don't see in any way shape or form how trump presents anything remotely resembling the equivalency of dangerous and awful that harris presents. trump isnt a bail project supporter, a defund guy - he wanted a wall not an open border. this isn't hyperbole or bogeymen or anything else. this is all shit going down within just a couple of miles from where we live. the consequences to harris and her rhetoric and her beliefs are a disaster. they put people at risk
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For many it’s a referendum on progressive policies. Simple as that
I couldn’t care less if trump had a heart attack two weeks into his term. From Covid insanity to defund/bail to free cheese to redistribution to climate insanity to open borders progressive policies cannot ever see the light again
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Yes. And I don’t deny the problem at the southern border. Much as the article suggested, there is an opportunity for Harris to pivot to the center as it’s unlikely she’ll have congress.Illegal immigrant charged in death of St. Louis police officer
Officer David Lee, an 18-year veteran of the force, leaves behind a wife and two children.
St. Louis’ former Soros-backed prosecutor Kim Gardner admits misusing public funds to save herself - The Heartlander
A disgraced former St. Louis circuit attorney bankrolled by billionaire liberal George Soros now admits pilfering over $5,000 in public money to save her personal law license. But the agreement doesn’t signal the end to investigations of forced-out prosecutor Kimberly M. Gardner over the...heartlandernews.com
Clayton shooting victim interrupted suspect during car break-in, police say
Trenell Johnson was arrested and charged with second-degree murder and armed criminal action in Clayton's first homicide in nearly two decades.
we didn't have a murder in two decades. throw in progressive bullshit and this is what you get with an out of state bail project.
Multiple fights led Wash U to cancel ThurtenE Carnival
'The safety of our community is always our highest priority,' a Washington University spokesperson said.
Second Carjacking Within Past Three Months In Webster Groves
A carjacking over the weekend in Webster Groves is now the second “bump-and-rob” incident in the past three months.www.timesnewspapers.com
murder where i and my kids hang out. daily. zoo closed. wash u carnival closed. carjackings at my ex's house and where i play soccer. cop killed by an illegal. this is all in the last year and a half. i hear trump is awful but i see in my activities of daily living how soft on crime open borders bullshit literally impacts the activities of daily living of my family and friends.
so no i don't see in any way shape or form how trump presents anything remotely resembling the equivalency of dangerous and awful that harris presents. trump isnt a bail project supporter, a defund guy - he wanted a wall not an open border. this isn't hyperbole or bogeymen or anything else. this is all shit going down within just a couple of miles from where we live. the consequences to harris and her rhetoric and her beliefs are a disaster. they put people at risk
Me, a true centristy centrist if there ever was one, thinks only that Harris will stay more closely aligned to the “center” of American politics and governance at the executive level than will Trump.
I believe Trump will go scorched earth and further erode American institutions.
You and I should have a candidate we can both vote for. That’s the real ****ing problem.
this i agree with for sure. the rest i don't. i think her "values" and inability to answer the calif bill re sentencing evidences same, along with myriad other facts. i think she'll pull a bait and switch worse than biden did. i hope i'm wrong. i also think trump will be good. he'll be totally useless. a lame duck ineffectual president from day one. he is getting olddddddddddddddddd. i truly believe he is at mile 26 and just wants to cross the finish line, pardon himself, breath a sigh of relief, and play golf and sleep. he doesn't care about any of us or ideological shit imo
I heard him debate Shapiro on my girlfriend Barri Weiss's podcast. He admitted there that his case was an entirely negative one against Trump, and he'd probably vote against Kamala if Haley or Romney were the Repub nominee.
I find it amusing Ohio Guy says he agrees with Sam Harris so much when Harris has been so outspoken against fundamentalist Islam, in support of Israel, and against wokeness. I guarantee that Sam Harris does not consider the issues that Ohio Guy wants to gaslight about as fearmongering by right wing media. In fact, he's spoken about them frequently:
Some examples:
Yeah, I've heard Harris talk on those subjects.I heard him debate Shapiro on my girlfriend Barri Weiss's podcast. He admitted there that his case was an entirely negative one against Trump, and he'd probably vote against Kamala if Haley or Romney were the Repub nominee.
I find it amusing Ohio Guy says he agrees with Sam Harris so much when Harris has been so outspoken against fundamentalist Islam, in support of Israel, and against wokeness. I guarantee that Sam Harris does not consider the issues that Ohio Guy wants to gaslight about as fearmongering by right wing media. In fact, he's spoken about them frequently:
Some examples:
In fact, Harris was the one who kind of instigated the verbal brawl between Bill Maher and Ben Affleck on Islam that got so much attention.
Affleck was all roided up getting prepared to play Batman. He deserves a pass for that episode.
If he didn't portray the worst version of Batman since Clooney, maybe. But he sucked. No pass given.
I think you've got your wires crossed here. I'm very familiar with Sam's take on all those issues and almost fully agree with him on all counts. I'm honestly not sure why you'd think otherwise. I haven't posted anything I'd see as contrary to what I've heard Harris say on any of those counts. I'd challenge you to find something I've said that runs contrary to his stances on those topics.
You can’t take anything he says seriously. So I’m told by many Trump supporters.
Further, I'd say this is what I'm talking about with regard to 'fear mongering'. From Sam's essay I linked:
The truth of the matter is that the good woman was for every reasonable thing before she was against it—and she’s for these things again now, you can be sure. In fact, much the same can be said about the Democratic Party. I am willing to bet that there is not a single person within the Harris campaign, wielding authority sufficient to produce a cup of coffee, who has any doubt about whether we have a problem along our southern border. Nor will you find anyone willing to defund the police or to fund gender-reassignment surgeries for undocumented immigrants in detention. And there is probably no one on Earth who still believes that advancing a lab-leak hypothesis for the origins of Covid is “racist.” The spell cast in 2019 by blue-haired lunatics who identify as blue-haired lunatics has finally broken.
The 'fear mongering' is in that right wing media would have you believe that Harris - and Democrats in general - are espousing those ideas that the Democratic party's platform is based on open borders, defunding the police, or funding gender-reassignment surgeries, when in fact, they're not.
I think we should go further. After tonight, I think we just shouldn't take anything he says.
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