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"AD remains believer in job Miller's doing"

There’s no such thing as “low IQ players”. It’s just a terrible generalization of certain players to make an excuse for the coach. I can’t believe people believe that all of Crean’s recruits were idiots but Archie only recruits geniuses. It’s beyond ignorant and completely irrational.

Your hero Bob Knight sure believed in the concept of low IQ players. "If we had 3 practices a day, Charlie Miller would be the first to show up and the last to leave for all three. But the game escapes him."
 
There’s no such thing as “low IQ players”. It’s just a terrible generalization of certain players to make an excuse for the coach. I can’t believe people believe that all of Crean’s recruits were idiots but Archie only recruits geniuses. It’s beyond ignorant and completely irrational.
You obviously haven’t watched them.
 
There’s no such thing as “low IQ players”. It’s just a terrible generalization of certain players to make an excuse for the coach. I can’t believe people believe that all of Crean’s recruits were idiots but Archie only recruits geniuses. It’s beyond ignorant and completely irrational.
You never played basketball and that's obvious.

Of course there's low IQ players, just as there's low IQ posters like you. It just doesn't seem like it to you because you're too dumb to realize it.
 
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Tom Crean is recruiting the same player that Archie Miller is recruiting.

Does that make that kid a Low IQ player or a High IQ player?
 
http://www.journalgazette.net/sports/colleges/iu/20190709/ad-remains-believer-in-job-millers-doing

What caught my attention in their interview with Glass:

“Again, I know some people don't want to hear it, but I think we were in a very serious rebuild when Archie got here, and we're working ourselves out of that. I think he's the kind of guy who's going to be one of our most iconic coaches and have a very long and successful career at Indiana.”
Did Freddy boy mention how long he expects this very serious rebuild to last?
 
Phinisee and Jordy Hulls are both very high IQ players to have played at IU among so many. Trivializing it down to who the coach is is inaccurate.
 
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There’s no such thing as “low IQ players”. It’s just a terrible generalization of certain players to make an excuse for the coach. I can’t believe people believe that all of Crean’s recruits were idiots but Archie only recruits geniuses. It’s beyond ignorant and completely irrational.

I find it difficult to argue with Feepaw on this. His ability to recognize concepts that are "beyond ignorant and completely irrational" come from his core. He IS the expert on ignorant and completely irrational thought.
 
You never played basketball and that's obvious.

Of course there's low IQ players, just as there's low IQ posters like you. It just doesn't seem like it to you because you're too dumb to realize it.
It’s ignorant to think everyone on the team was “low iq” without knowing a single thing about any of the kids. Completely asinine.
 
It's ignorant to think T.M.P. said that "everyone" on the team was "low iq" without reading what he actually wrote. Completely asinine.
He is low IQ. Very low. He lowers the average IQ of every room he enters, even empty rooms.
 
The issue isn’t the talent level. It was the intelligence. Deflections players had no basketball IQ and Miller couldn’t get rid of them. He’s still got at least one more year to deal with it. He opted to keep the low IQ recruits.

In hindsight he should have ditched them all and taken the academic tournament ban. But he thought he could still get that talent to the dance. He underestimated the retard level. I’ll give him a pass on that. Hopefully he’s coached the Crean out of them by now.

It's ignorant to think T.M.P. said that "everyone" on the team was "low iq" without reading what he actually wrote. Completely asinine.
Read slower speroni
 
Tom Crean is recruiting the same player that Archie Miller is recruiting.

Does that make that kid a Low IQ player or a High IQ player?
Low BB IQ, poor fundamentals, made worse by Turnover Tom's push the ball at the expense of more turnovers style of play. Ignoring turnovers is stupid basketball.
 
Moops and T.M.P. are the same person? Don't read slower, Feepaw... learn to read.
Morgan showed nice progression but for every Morgan, he kept 5 newkirks. Green has been the same way. One hopes he plays next year like he played the last 10 games, but it has been a process to get this far. And he’s proven himself to regress time and again. Archie’s efforts may have been better served on a player that fits his system.

I commend him for adopting them all and helping their futures by removing the crean influence from it. For that alone he gets 2-3 more years.

But if it was only about winning in year 2, he should have ditched them all.
 
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Morgan showed nice progression but for every Morgan, he kept 5 newkirks. Green has been the same way. One hopes he plays next year like he played the last 10 games, but it has been a process to get this far. And he’s proven himself to regress time and again. Archie’s efforts may have been better served on a player that fits his system.

I commend him for adopting them all and helping their futures by removing the crean influence from it. For that alone he gets 2-3 more years.

But if it was only about winning in year 2, he should have ditched them all.
Archie inherited one of the worst Hoosier backcourts of all time. Phinisee was miles better as a Freshman than a 5th year Senior the year before.
 
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Moops and T.M.P. are the same person? Don't read slower, Feepaw... learn to read.
I replied to Moops, TMP replies to me with his ignorance trying to call me out, so I explained my original post.

This is very basic kid. I don’t know how to dumb it down for you any more.
 
Morgan showed nice progression but for every Morgan, he kept 5 newkirks. Green has been the same way. One hopes he plays next year like he played the last 10 games, but it has been a process to get this far. And he’s proven himself to regress time and again. Archie’s efforts may have been better served on a player that fits his system.

I commend him for adopting them all and helping their futures by removing the crean influence from it. For that alone he gets 2-3 more years.

But if it was only about winning in year 2, he should have ditched them all.
Archie’s efforts may be better served at a mid major. I feel bad for the kids who had to sit out or play for the clown.
 
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Archie inherited one of the worst Hoosier backcourts of all time. Phinisee was miles better as a Freshman than a 5th year Senior the year before.
Not even close. Rob was a very good player and Newkirk was every bit average for the Big Ten.
 
Won’t happen, and Miller seems like a nice guy, but now would be the time to dangle Billy a carrot. OKC not a place to be now.
 
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Not even close. Rob was a very good player and Newkirk was every bit average for the Big Ten.
What?? Rob was at best a role player who shrunk from the spotlight instead of his time to shine when it was his turn to be the man after JBJ left. Newkirk was the worst starting Hoosier PG in my lifetime. Turnover Tom's style of play could not be unlearned in a few months. A absolutely Horrible backcourt.
 
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What?? Rob was at best a role player who shrunk from the spotlight instead of his time to shine when it was his turn to be the man after JBJ left. Newkirk was the worst starting Hoosier PG in my lifetime. Turnover Tom's style of play could not be unlearned in a few months. A absolutely Horrible backcourt.
Are you still in diapers?

You must not have been around for the early Crean years. The rest of us watch a young Verdell Jones for a couple years. Newkirk averaged 8 and 3. I’d take a senior Newkirk over Yogi as a freshman too.

Rob Johnson was a role player??? He was honorable mention all conference at 15 per game. Statistically one of the best shooters in IU HISTORY. And now he’s in the G League. Role player??? You must be in preschool.
 
Rob Johnson was a role player??? Statistically one of the best shooters in IU HISTORY.

Please produce a link to prove this statement.

It is hard for me to believe that he would be in the top 50-100 at IU with the shooters we have had in the past.
 
Won’t happen, and Miller seems like a nice guy, but now would be the time to dangle Billy a carrot. OKC not a place to be now.

Why would Billy Donovan come to IU? Just so he can be railroaded out of town in 2 years like Archie? Donovan has more money than he can count, why would he come back to the college ranks and try and appease a bunch of 17-18 year olds to come play for him with enormous and unrealistic expectations put over his head? He's proven he can coach in the NBA and and somebody else will hire him where doesn't have to spend 300+ days a year recruiting high school aged kids. Same thing can be said for Brad Stevens.
 
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I replied to Moops, TMP replies to me with his ignorance trying to call me out, so I explained my original post.

This is very basic kid. I don’t know how to dumb it down for you any more.
You were responding to T.M.P. and quoting T.M.P. As far as dumbing things down further... no, I doubt you can dumb things down further.
 
Are you still in diapers?

You must not have been around for the early Crean years. The rest of us watch a young Verdell Jones for a couple years. Newkirk averaged 8 and 3. I’d take a senior Newkirk over Yogi as a freshman too.

Rob Johnson was a role player??? He was honorable mention all conference at 15 per game. Statistically one of the best shooters in IU HISTORY. And now he’s in the G League. Role player??? You must be in preschool.
Newkirk was the worst IU starting PG that I ever watched in an IU uniform. There was a stretch where Robert Johnson could not throw the ball in the ocean as an upperclassman. From what I remember in big games, Robert regressed after a promising Sophomore season. What games were you watching? And both turned the ball over carelessly. Verdell was a much better overall player than Newkirk was, at least he could shoot.
 
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Please produce a link to prove this statement.

It is hard for me to believe that he would be in the top 50-100 at IU with the shooters we have had in the past.

He was a really good shooter. He shot 38.9% for his career from 3s. His sophomore year ( the best team he played on and when he was more of a role player..aka got more opens looks) he shot 44.7% from 3s. He is 4th all time in made 3s behind Guyton, Hulls, and Yogi. The one obvious caveat is the 3 point line didn't always exist. (For example, Alford made over 100 his senior year and shot over 50% from 3s.I assume he was the best shooter in IU history? ) I would be really surprised if there were 50 better shooters in IU history, than Robert Johnson.

Edit: If my numbers are off, look them up yourself:)
 
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Year three and IU is nowhere to be found in the top 25. Meanwhile, Holtmann’s Buckeyes are ranked #12.
Holtmann was more proven at Butler, and a safer pick. Archie was perceived as having a higher upside and ceiling.
 
Newkirk was the worst IU starting PG that I ever watched in an IU uniform. There was a stretch where Robert Johnson could not throw the ball in the ocean as an upperclassman. From what I remember in big games, Robert regressed after a promising Sophomore season. What games were you watching? And both turned the ball over carelessly. Verdell was a much better overall player than Newkirk was, at least he could shoot.

Johnson was inconsistent as the lead guard for IU his senior year. Just wasn't a role he was comfortable with. He was a great secondary or third guard with Blackmon and Yogi. He really struggled creating his own shot and that's why his 3pt% plummeted to a degree as an upperclassmen. He could score 20 one night hitting 5 or 6 the pointers but than would have an 0fer game the next (see Louisville). He was a good overall player for IU no doubt, just had his limitations and you saw that as a lead guard.
 
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He was a really good shooter. He shot 38.9% for his career from 3s. His sophomore year ( the best team he played on and when he was more of a role player..aka got more opens looks) he shot 44.7% from 3s. He is 4th all time in made 3s behind Guyton, Hulls, and Yogi. The one obvious caveat is the 3 point line didn't always exist. (For example, Alford made over 100 his senior year and shot over 50% from 3s.I assume he was the best shooter in IU history? ) I would be really surprised if there were 50 better shooters in IU history, than Robert Johnson.

Edit: If my numbers are off, look them up yourself:)
Steve Alford, Jay Edwards, Pat Graham, Greg Graham, Randy Wittman, Ted Kitchel, Tom Coverdale, Kyle Hornsby, Brian Evans, AJ Guyton, Damon Bailey, James Blackmon Jr. to name a few.
 
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