"AD remains believer in job Miller's doing"

[Squonk too]

http://www.journalgazette.net/sports/colleges/iu/20190709/ad-remains-believer-in-job-millers-doing

What caught my attention in their interview with Glass:

“Again, I know some people don't want to hear it, but I think we were in a very serious rebuild when Archie got here, and we're working ourselves out of that. I think he's the kind of guy who's going to be one of our most iconic coaches and have a very long and successful career at Indiana.”

 

[birdforbogey]

If IU is in a major rebuild, mr glass should be fired.

 

[HurryinHoosiers]

If IU is in a major rebuild, mr glass should be fired.

I'd say 20 years of dog shit is exactly that "a major rebuild"

 

[IUgradman]

Why was the next question from the interviewer not: “So then why is the basketball program in the midst of a serious rebuild a decade into your time as AD?”

Fred is a PR con artist. What knowledge base does he have to evaluate the future trajectory of a coach? Did he play sports? Does he have decades of experience working and coaching in college sports or was he handed his current job because of his rolodex and fundraising ability?

 

[ufo33]

http://www.journalgazette.net/sports/colleges/iu/20190709/ad-remains-believer-in-job-millers-doing

What caught my attention in their interview with Glass:

“Again, I know some people don't want to hear it, but I think we were in a very serious rebuild when Archie got here, and we're working ourselves out of that. I think he's the kind of guy who's going to be one of our most iconic coaches and have a very long and successful career at Indiana.”

Crean's recruits he left behind did not form a balanced team. Crean would have had an even worse record with his careless, high TO, low defense, push the tempo style. Crean's style might appear as exciting to Georgia fans, but to IU it was poor shot selection, high TO, poor team defense, sloppy mess , poor IQ Basketball. But I also liked Bo Ryan's or Brad Steven's style over Crean too. As Crean could never adjust to a team that valued possessions or played solid D including match-up zones.

 

[MrBing]

Crean's recruits he left behind did not form a balanced team. Crean would have had an even worse record with his careless, high TO, low defense, push the tempo style. Crean's style might appear as exciting to Georgia fans, but to IU it was poor shot selection, high TO, poor team defense, sloppy mess , poor IQ Basketball. But I also liked Bo Ryan's or Brad Steven's style over Crean too. As Crean could never adjust to a team that valued possessions or played solid D including match-up zones.

I agree. I hated the way Crean's teams turned over the ball and played bad defense. I really liked the way Archie's teams played at UD. I'm looking forward to this year and the years to come with Archie.

 

[SIhoosier26]

If IU is in a major rebuild, mr glass should be fired.

3 straight years without even a tournament appearance at IU of all places, seems like a pretty major rebuild to me.

 

[stripetology]

If IU is in a major rebuild, mr glass should be fired.

3 straight years without even a tournament appearance at IU of all places, seems like a pretty major rebuild to me.

Missing 8 out of last 11 though is pure program abuse by any measure. Any.

 

[Classof96']

http://www.journalgazette.net/sports/colleges/iu/20190709/ad-remains-believer-in-job-millers-doing

Crean lost his job at IU because he couldn’t recruit. Think about it. He was having to wonder the landscape in the spring to land players like Tim Priller and Jeremiah April, long after he had been established as the coach at Indiana. That’s not to mention the difficulty he had recruiting in state. Remains to be seen how players like Anderson, Phinisee, Hunter, and Thompson will develop as Miller’s 1st recruiting class, as well as any players moving forward. But Miller didn’t exactly inherit a loaded roster.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

The "Movement" was actually the beginning of the end for Crean (that, and the Syracuse game). Yogi had an awesome career at IU, but all the others from that class washed out for various (and sometimes stupid) reasons. The program had momentum in 2012-2014 with the Cody/VO teams. The speed offense worked great, at times when the team was hitting shots and playing teams who wanted to run with us. But whenever we played a 'grinder' team (Bo Ryan style) or a team that ran a good zone D with long guards who can contend the 3pt shot ('Cuse), it turned ugly fast and CTC had no answers. CTC is a good promotor but a shitty X's and O's guy.

 

[.Gerdis]

When discussing a rebuild it’s important to distinguish between the state of IU as a team, and as a basketball program.

What I mean by that is that IU basketball as a program is in need of a major rebuild. Purdue has ten times the program that IU has right now. We are a team that has been inconsistent for at least 15 years, a program that seems to lack any semblance of an identity with the exception of relics that could be found in an antique mall that fans cling to.

As a team, I am confident that IU will be be significantly improved this year. Why? how could we be worse? It really takes a team that just doesn’t care to go through the 13 game stretch we had last year. And even as awful as we were, we still almost backed our way into the tourney. We’ll make the NCAAs this season, especially with the BIG looking pretty watered down.

But as a program, it’s going to take 10 years of excellence to be on our way to being “back”.

For us to even be on the same planet as a program like PU it’s gonna take time. A 2 year run like we had during the Zeller teams should not be lost on IU fans. Sure, it was a spike up on the crean roller coaster, but the program continued to deteriorate.


I’m not confident that IU will ever be elite again, as a program. We’ve run out of time, and we need Archie Miller to perform like Bo Ryan did at Wisconsin, as a MINIMUM, for our program to be considered on the path to being elite. And it has to start now.

 

[ufo33]

The "Movement" was actually the beginning of the end for Crean (that, and the Syracuse game). Yogi had an awesome career at IU, but all the others from that class washed out for various (and sometimes stupid) reasons. The program had momentum in 2012-2014 with the Cody/VO teams. The speed offense worked great, at times when the team was hitting shots and playing teams who wanted to run with us. But whenever we played a 'grinder' team (Bo Ryan style) or a team that ran a good zone D with long guards who can contend the 3pt shot ('Cuse), it turned ugly fast and CTC had no answers. CTC is a good promotor but a shitty X's and O's guy.

Sums it up. Turnover Tom played ugly ball.

 

[Eurocyldon]

The ongoing autopsy of the Crean-era does little to help now but I get why people want to go over it again and again. Not being able to replace Yogi at PG in 4 years; rarely having more than one legit post player at a time; or his overall failure to connect with in-state kids and their coaches did him in. You have to be consistently good and he was not.

Archie does not have the same issues but he needs to find success and find it fast. Even the most die-hard fans are going to start falling away if they miss the tournament this season. My guess is Glass will join him in being shown the door with another down season.

 

[Hank Reardon]

Uh oh, the dreaded statement of support.

I'm still all in with Archie, but the yearly (Fred Glass) excuse cycle needs to stop. IU seems to be the only program in which every year is a rebuilding year.

 

[fpeaugh]

What a clown.

Archie inherited better pieces and program than 99% of new coaches. A new coach is almost always replacing a coach who got fired. That coach got fired for a reason. Very very rarely does a new coach inherit a program off a pair of Big Ten titles with the history and advantages IU offers.

Fred is a PR clown trying to save his own job.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

The ongoing autopsy of the Crean-era does little to help now but I get why people want to go over it again and again. Not being able to replace Yogi at PG in 4 years; rarely having more than one legit post player at a time; or his overall failure to connect with in-state kids and their coaches did him in. You have to be consistently good and he was not.

Archie does not have the same issues but he needs to find success and find it fast. Even the most die-hard fans are going to start falling away if they miss the tournament this season. My guess is Glass will join him in being shown the door with another down season.

agree...point I was making is that we had recruiting momentum, and what was thought to be one of the most loaded classes since the Cheney/Graham class turned out to be a bust (sans Yogi) and started us back down the road we are now stuck on and trying to exit.

Side note- I don't know if any IU coach can lock down the state in the modern era. Kids from the 1980s didn't have nationwide travel/AAU circuits all summer, social media, etc....the modern tech era of smartphones and personal glory accounts, coupled with 25 yrs of mediocracy and coaching changes, ESPN becoming Duke and UK's personal recruiting network....it's no longer realistic to expect young kids in the state to dream of playing in Bloomington (vs Raleigh/Durham, Lexington, East Lansing, etc). To them, unfortunately, IU ball does not represent what it did when many of us were growing up. Throw in the self-entitled, 'what can you do for me' environment that many of these kids grow up in. Pains me to admit it but having an IU coach who can 'lock down the state' may be an unrealistic expectation today. Or Tomorrow. Damn...now I feel like drinking early.

 

[bailey777]

http://www.journalgazette.net/sports/colleges/iu/20190709/ad-remains-believer-in-job-millers-doing

What caught my attention in their interview with Glass:

“Again, I know some people don't want to hear it, but I think we were in a very serious rebuild when Archie got here, and we're working ourselves out of that. I think he's the kind of guy who's going to be one of our most iconic coaches and have a very long and successful career at Indiana.”

He said the same things about Crean but I am not surprised since it is coming from Glass. Always protecting himself first.

 

[bailey777]

When discussing a rebuild it’s important to distinguish between the state of IU as a team, and as a basketball program.

What I mean by that is that IU basketball as a program is in need of a major rebuild. Purdue has ten times the program that IU has right now. We are a team that has been inconsistent for at least 15 years, a program that seems to lack any semblance of an identity with the exception of relics that could be found in an antique mall that fans cling to.

As a team, I am confident that IU will be be significantly improved this year. Why? how could we be worse? It really takes a team that just doesn’t care to go through the 13 game stretch we had last year. And even as awful as we were, we still almost backed our way into the tourney. We’ll make the NCAAs this season, especially with the BIG looking pretty watered down.

But as a program, it’s going to take 10 years of excellence to be on our way to being “back”.

For us to even be on the same planet as a program like PU it’s gonna take time. A 2 year run like we had during the Zeller teams should not be lost on IU fans. Sure, it was a spike up on the crean roller coaster, but the program continued to deteriorate.


I’m not confident that IU will ever be elite again, as a program. We’ve run out of time, and we need Archie Miller to perform like Bo Ryan did at Wisconsin, as a MINIMUM, for our program to be considered on the path to being elite. And it has to start now.

I am basically convinced at this point we will never be elite again. We have squandered all our chances to get the right coach over the last 20 years. I think Archie can do decent here and put a competitive big ten team on the floor. But I am under no illusions we will become Michigan State. That ship has probably sailed.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

What a clown.

Archie inherited better pieces and program than 99% of new coaches. A new coach is almost always replacing a coach who got fired. That coach got fired for a reason. Very very rarely does a new coach inherit a program off a pair of Big Ten titles with the history and advantages IU offers.

Fred is a PR clown trying to save his own job.

I don’t think it’s so much Archie as it is Fred glass. The guy is a train wreck. Archie is finding his way in the big leagues. Yes, I know that’s not what you want to hear after being creaned, but I think once Archie has his own players in place with coaches he will surprise a lot of people

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

What a clown.

Archie inherited better pieces and program than 99% of new coaches. A new coach is almost always replacing a coach who got fired. That coach got fired for a reason. Very very rarely does a new coach inherit a program off a pair of Big Ten titles with the history and advantages IU offers.

Fred is a PR clown trying to save his own job.

He didn’t inherit a team coming “off a pair of Big Ten titles,” he inherited a team that just finished off a poor season with a first round loss in the NIT. The team he inherited was unbalanced and had significant flaws. The two best players on that team (OG and RBJ) departed. The team was not loaded with the talent you seem to think it was. I enjoyed watching Miller’s first season far more than Crean’s last.

 

[minneman]

What a clown.

Archie inherited better pieces and program than 99% of new coaches. A new coach is almost always replacing a coach who got fired. That coach got fired for a reason. Very very rarely does a new coach inherit a program off a pair of Big Ten titles with the history and advantages IU offers.

Fred is a PR clown trying to save his own job.

Miller replaced Crean who was fired. He was fired for a reason.

So according to you, inheriting a 0.500 team that loses its top 3 players for his first season is a great situation while losing the top 2 players from a 0.500 team this year is a "disaster." You're nothing if not inconsistent.

 

[TR32]

This is the quote from Glass that pertains here:

"Absolutely, I'm 100% confident in the program going forward. I'm 100% confident that Archie, give him the time he needs to get it going, which is building these classes back to back. And this nonsense from trolls about, you have to be somewhere after two or three years, I think is silly."

I think the main way to judge Miller in year 3 is how he responds to the poor season in year 2. It will be fair to levy some judgment after the season, but as of right now the only real question is whether they are improving as a team. They CAN be better than last season, and I will be waiting to see if that happens through better team play and individual development.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Miller replaced Crean who was fired. He was fired for a reason.

So according to you, inheriting a 0.500 team that loses its top 3 players for his first season is a great situation while losing the top 2 players from a 0.500 team this year is a "disaster." You're nothing if not inconsistent.

That’s right - forgot Hartman. Feepaw is only here to provide entertainment. He’s like something in the carnival sideshow.

 

[TR32]

The "Movement" was actually the beginning of the end for Crean (that, and the Syracuse game). Yogi had an awesome career at IU, but all the others from that class washed out for various (and sometimes stupid) reasons. The program had momentum in 2012-2014 with the Cody/VO teams. The speed offense worked great, at times when the team was hitting shots and playing teams who wanted to run with us. But whenever we played a 'grinder' team (Bo Ryan style) or a team that ran a good zone D with long guards who can contend the 3pt shot ('Cuse), it turned ugly fast and CTC had no answers. CTC is a good promotor but a shitty X's and O's guy.

That team had a nearly unprecedented amount of experience on it. Couple that with 2 5-star players and there was no doubt about winning games. But I agree about what they could not do. The Wisconsin games were particularly frustrating.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

This is the quote from Glass that pertains here:

"Absolutely, I'm 100% confident in the program going forward. I'm 100% confident that Archie, give him the time he needs to get it going, which is building these classes back to back. And this nonsense from trolls about, you have to be somewhere after two or three years, I think is silly."

I think the main way to judge Miller in year 3 is how he responds to the poor season in year 2. It will be fair to levy some judgment after the season, but as of right now the only real question is whether they are improving as a team. They CAN be better than last season, and I will be waiting to see if that happens through better team play and individual development.

I’d bet on them being better. In fact I’ve offered that bet to all takers. So far I have no takers.

 

[TR32]

agree...point I was making is that we had recruiting momentum, and what was thought to be one of the most loaded classes since the Cheney/Graham class turned out to be a bust (sans Yogi) and started us back down the road we are now stuck on and trying to exit.

Side note- I don't know if any IU coach can lock down the state in the modern era. Kids from the 1980s didn't have nationwide travel/AAU circuits all summer, social media, etc....the modern tech era of smartphones and personal glory accounts, coupled with 25 yrs of mediocracy and coaching changes, ESPN becoming Duke and UK's personal recruiting network....it's no longer realistic to expect young kids in the state to dream of playing in Bloomington (vs Raleigh/Durham, Lexington, East Lansing, etc). To them, unfortunately, IU ball does not represent what it did when many of us were growing up. Throw in the self-entitled, 'what can you do for me' environment that many of these kids grow up in. Pains me to admit it but having an IU coach who can 'lock down the state' may be an unrealistic expectation today. Or Tomorrow. Damn...now I feel like drinking early.

Duke is less than 5 years away from a free fall and MSU may go back to mediocrity as well. It is nearly always about coaching. Roy Williams is almost done too and with any luck, Kansas will be in hot water over recruiting payments. The landscape can change very quickly.

 

[kkott]

The "Movement" was actually the beginning of the end for Crean (that, and the Syracuse game). Yogi had an awesome career at IU, but all the others from that class washed out for various (and sometimes stupid) reasons. The program had momentum in 2012-2014 with the Cody/VO teams. The speed offense worked great, at times when the team was hitting shots and playing teams who wanted to run with us. But whenever we played a 'grinder' team (Bo Ryan style) or a team that ran a good zone D with long guards who can contend the 3pt shot ('Cuse), it turned ugly fast and CTC had no answers. CTC is a good promotor but a shitty X's and O's guy.

Crean's coaching was actually the beginning of the end for him...

 

[TR32]

I don’t think it’s so much Archie as it is Fred glass. The guy is a train wreck. Archie is finding his way in the big leagues. Yes, I know that’s not what you want to hear after being creaned, but I think once Archie has his own players in place with coaches he will surprise a lot of people

IU played well and beat Louisville in December. Things were looking good although the margins were narrow. If he can find that again he will start to build on returning quality players with Big Ten experience.

 

[snarlcakes]

You would hope people wouldn’t listen to Fred Glass’s thoughts on basketball coaches. He also thought Tom Crean was a good coach.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

IU played well and beat Louisville in December. Things were looking good although the margins were narrow. If he can find that again he will start to build on returning quality players with Big Ten experience.

Beating Michigan state twice was impressive. If he builds on that the future is bright

 

[T.M.P.]

What a clown.

Archie inherited better pieces and program than 99% of new coaches. A new coach is almost always replacing a coach who got fired. That coach got fired for a reason. Very very rarely does a new coach inherit a program off a pair of Big Ten titles with the history and advantages IU offers.

Fred is a PR clown trying to save his own job.

99% ...

Link?

 

[bailey777]

Duke is less than 5 years away from a free fall and MSU may go back to mediocrity as well. It is nearly always about coaching. Roy Williams is almost done too and with any luck, Kansas will be in hot water over recruiting payments. The landscape can change very quickly.

Duke will hire the right coach to make sure they never go into a free fall. Everybody will want that job.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Uh oh, the dreaded statement of support.

I'm still all in with Archie, but the yearly (Fred Glass) excuse cycle needs to stop. IU seems to be the only program in which every year is a rebuilding year.

Realism has set in for me. I read through the contract details (including buyout)- CAM isn't going anywhere for at least 2 yrs. So we need to hope (pray?) that we see improvements this coming season. If not we've got a real mess on our hands, because the recruiting won't improve unless the program shows upward trajectory. I still believe there were serious team chemistry issues last season. That's on the head coach to fix.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Crean's coaching was actually the beginning of the end for him...

well yeah...there was THAT, too

 

[TR32]

Duke will hire the right coach to make sure they never go into a free fall. Everybody will want that job.

K makes Duke. The wake will be big. Maybe I shouldn't say "free fall", but 10 years on Duke will not be talked about like they are now.

 

[fkfootball]

We picked Davis over Pitino.
We picked Sampson over Beilein.
We picked Crean over Kruger.
We picked Miller over Holtman.


And the worst of all. This university fired Robert Knight.



And people wonder why our basketball program is crap? Lol. It has and continues to be ran by complete morons. These are facts. No matter how much you all don’t like me or this post.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Duke is less than 5 years away from a free fall and MSU may go back to mediocrity as well. It is nearly always about coaching. Roy Williams is almost done too and with any luck, Kansas will be in hot water over recruiting payments. The landscape can change very quickly.

will be interesting to see who Duke gets to fill K's big shoes. You know former players like Collins, Wojo would kill to go back and inherit the kingdom. I just hope it's not Brad Stevens.

 

[hoosierhat]

The "Movement" was actually the beginning of the end for Crean (that, and the Syracuse game). Yogi had an awesome career at IU, but all the others from that class washed out for various (and sometimes stupid) reasons. The program had momentum in 2012-2014 with the Cody/VO teams. The speed offense worked great, at times when the team was hitting shots and playing teams who wanted to run with us. But whenever we played a 'grinder' team (Bo Ryan style) or a team that ran a good zone D with long guards who can contend the 3pt shot ('Cuse), it turned ugly fast and CTC had no answers. CTC is a good promotor but a shitty X's and O's guy.

Jordy's dislocated shoulder killed us against Cuse.
This post sums it up. IU was rolling. It looked like great recruits were coming in.
Cody and Vic left and the crap storm came rolling in. TB, Yogi and OG brought us one good year after that. That has been it.
At the beginning of last year, Brian Snow said this team, even with Romeo, wouldn't win 20 games. That is rebuild mode.

 

[fpeaugh]

He didn’t inherit a team coming “off a pair of Big Ten titles,” he inherited a team that just finished off a poor season with a first round loss in the NIT. The team he inherited was unbalanced and had significant flaws. The two best players on that team (OG and RBJ) departed. The team was not loaded with the talent you seem to think it was. I enjoyed watching Miller’s first season far more than Crean’s last.

You’re just running on blind hope alone.

 

[minneman]

That’s right - forgot Hartman. Feepaw is only here to provide entertainment. He’s like something in the carnival sideshow.

You forgot Bryant. That's who I included with OG and JBJ. Hartman DNP for 2016-17 season and played intermittently (due to injuries) during Miller's first season.

That's still 2 NBA players and the best shooter lost from a team that was 2 games over 0.500.