Who was behind the siege on the Capital?
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To me, the problem with whatever point you're trying to make vis a vis Twitter and Parler is the FACT that people who WANTED to post violent, racist comments left Twitter and flocked to Parler. That has been going on for quite a while and had very little if anything to do with events of Jan 6, since Parler was hosting discussions about the upcoming unrest and Twitter was blocking them...
You seem to be making a circular argument, that I'm just not getting. I can't even comprehend your claim that "standards weren't applied equally" when the conduct allowed by the respective platforms was radically different.
That's why people LEFT Twitter to join Parler- they (incorrectly IMHO) assumed the issue was "freedom of speech". If Twitter and Parler BOTH were allowing posts to "lynch the Dems" or even Trump's other perceived "enemies" then I'd say Amazon was required to treat each equally. But those posts were ONLY being allowed on Parler. It's hard for me to fathom anyone defending Parler's complicity, but you seem to determined to do so...
I'll believe what is true. Thanks
is your delusion about parler actually moderating their content or acting like twitter wasn't moderating?
People left Twitter for Parler to find a more receptive community for conservative speech. Twitter moderation and Dorsey obviously have a political bias and that had started to creep into the user experience.
You’re bastardizing the reasons behind Parlers growth because you’re a hopeless partisan. A minuscule fraction of the community used it as a breeding ground to discuss and plan political violence. Parler did the best they could to shut that speech down.
More suspicious activity that investigators are uncovering...
Donations of bitcoin valued at $500,000 to far-right groups from a foreign sympathizer in early Dec. It wasn't for the Daily Stormer's "election efforts", coming a month after the election...
Exclusive: Large bitcoin payments to right-wing activists a month before Capitol riot linked to foreign account
U.S. law enforcement is investigating whether a bitcoin transfer to right-wing organizations and personalities was linked to the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol.
You're acting like blocking people talking about committing violent acts online is somehow political. Anyone planning violence would have been blocked. They just happen to be coming from rightwing nuts.
If parler was trying to shut that speech down, then they apparently assigned that task to 1 person who couldn't keep up lol
Calling me a "hopeless partisan" coming from you is irony to the extreme. I don't have to bastardize the reasons far-right lunatics migrated from Twitter to Parler- they explained their motives in their own Twitter feeds...
Have you really not seen the thousands of posts from loonies telling their Twitter followers to come join them on Parler? It's been ongoing for 6 mos or longer...
What exactly do you think Parler is? I'd say it's a more "mainstream camouflaged" version of the types of posts and interaction you see more secretively on Gab,Discord, and other platforms favored by Neo Nazis...
"The fact that Parler has a vague air of legitimacy – unlike other platforms known for their explicitly far-right user bases – normalizes racist violence against Black people and anyone associated with them. Like the white police officers and “respectable” public servants who joined the Ku Klux Klan after the US civil war, or the white families who partied under the lynched bodies of Black men, white America has continued its intergenerational love affair with public anti-blackness. The methods have simply mutated. Memes calling for our deaths are the lynching postcards of the 21st century. Shared among the masses, they make casual affairs of Black terror. It’s not enough for the sharers of these memes to simply believe in white violence on a personal level; the collective experience is the point.
I joined Parler in November, before various tech companies announced plans to take it offline. It didn’t take long to find a bevy of hashtags and posts romanticizing civil war. By late November, there were over 10,000 posts that included the hashtag #civilwar and its variants. The person who posted “Civil war is coming” was replying to a post by Wayne Root, a conservative media personality with more than 100,000 followers on Twitter. Root leveled the same unproven accusations of voter fraud as Donald Trump, using the same calls for battle that white power groups heeded in their storming of the US Capitol the first week of 2021.
While some on the far right will probably retreat into the shadows cast by polling booths and hidden by exit polling data that obscures Trump’s popularity, many have not. Any perception of progress for Black people, even if this progress does not substantively exist, perpetuates violence against us and our perceived allies like leftists, Marxists and Democrats – all named by Parler posters as opposing parties in this hypothetical civil war)."
I've been on Parler. It's a cesspit of thinly veiled racism and hate
The ‘free speech’ app used by US Capitol rioters is an unsettling place where the far right encounters mainstream conservatives“Civil war is coming.”I saw this message on the social media platform Parler in November, about two weeks after the election was called for Joe Biden. The ominous post...
"The attack on the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6 was shocking, but no one following right-wing activity on social media should have been surprised. The attempt by President Donald Trump’s far-right supporters to violently stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College vote and formalizing Joe Biden’s election victory was consistent with their openly expressed hopes and plans.
As a researcher of far-right extremism, I monitor right-wing social media communities. For weeks in advance, I watched as groups across the right-wing spectrum declared their intentions. On Facebook, Twitter, Parler and other platforms, influencers, politicians, activists and ordinary people focused on Jan. 6 as their final opportunity to prevent what they claimed was corruption on a monumental scale.
To most of these activists, there was no possible resolution other than Trump emerging victorious. In the open, they discussed how they were preparing to force Congress and Vice President Mike Pence to nullify the election results and declare Trump the victor."
Far-right activists on social media telegraphed violence weeks in advance of the attack on the US Capitol
Trump supporters openly discussed forcing Congress and Vice President Pence to overturn the election results.
theconversation.com
Hell we have mas on this very forum. The loonies are everywhere...
Content moderation is obviously an inexact science. Posts go up, sometimes they're up for a while before an algorithm or person identifies them and takes them down. This is true of both Parler and Twitter.
If you want to argue that Twitter had more robust content moderation systems in place, I think that's probably likely, and frankly understandable. A startup simply can't scale those systems quickly enough especially one going through rapid growth like Parler. Again, Amazon declined Parlers inquiry into Amazon's own content moderation software "Rekognition".
You and Cos's contention that the purpose of Parler is to offer a safe haven to violent speech is just bad faith posturing in the worst way. It doesn't even compute with you that people might actually want to go to another platform to have discussions outside of Twitter, for reasons other than being allowed to be racist and violent.
Calling me a "hopeless partisan" coming from you is irony to the extreme. I don't have to bastardize the reasons far-right lunatics migrated from Twitter to Parler- they explained their motives in their own Twitter feeds...
Have you really not seen the thousands of posts from loonies telling their Twitter followers to come join them on Parler? It's been ongoing for 6 mos or longer...
What exactly do you think Parler is? I'd say it's a more "mainstream camouflaged" version of the types of posts and interaction you see more secretively on Gab,Discord, and other platforms favored by Neo Nazis...
"The fact that Parler has a vague air of legitimacy – unlike other platforms known for their explicitly far-right user bases – normalizes racist violence against Black people and anyone associated with them. Like the white police officers and “respectable” public servants who joined the Ku Klux Klan after the US civil war, or the white families who partied under the lynched bodies of Black men, white America has continued its intergenerational love affair with public anti-blackness. The methods have simply mutated. Memes calling for our deaths are the lynching postcards of the 21st century. Shared among the masses, they make casual affairs of Black terror. It’s not enough for the sharers of these memes to simply believe in white violence on a personal level; the collective experience is the point.
I joined Parler in November, before various tech companies announced plans to take it offline. It didn’t take long to find a bevy of hashtags and posts romanticizing civil war. By late November, there were over 10,000 posts that included the hashtag #civilwar and its variants. The person who posted “Civil war is coming” was replying to a post by Wayne Root, a conservative media personality with more than 100,000 followers on Twitter. Root leveled the same unproven accusations of voter fraud as Donald Trump, using the same calls for battle that white power groups heeded in their storming of the US Capitol the first week of 2021.
While some on the far right will probably retreat into the shadows cast by polling booths and hidden by exit polling data that obscures Trump’s popularity, many have not. Any perception of progress for Black people, even if this progress does not substantively exist, perpetuates violence against us and our perceived allies like leftists, Marxists and Democrats – all named by Parler posters as opposing parties in this hypothetical civil war)."
I've been on Parler. It's a cesspit of thinly veiled racism and hate
The ‘free speech’ app used by US Capitol rioters is an unsettling place where the far right encounters mainstream conservatives“Civil war is coming.”I saw this message on the social media platform Parler in November, about two weeks after the election was called for Joe Biden. The ominous post...www.yahoo.com
"The attack on the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6 was shocking, but no one following right-wing activity on social media should have been surprised. The attempt by President Donald Trump’s far-right supporters to violently stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College vote and formalizing Joe Biden’s election victory was consistent with their openly expressed hopes and plans.
As a researcher of far-right extremism, I monitor right-wing social media communities. For weeks in advance, I watched as groups across the right-wing spectrum declared their intentions. On Facebook, Twitter, Parler and other platforms, influencers, politicians, activists and ordinary people focused on Jan. 6 as their final opportunity to prevent what they claimed was corruption on a monumental scale.
To most of these activists, there was no possible resolution other than Trump emerging victorious. In the open, they discussed how they were preparing to force Congress and Vice President Mike Pence to nullify the election results and declare Trump the victor."
Far-right activists on social media telegraphed violence weeks in advance of the attack on the US Capitol
Trump supporters openly discussed forcing Congress and Vice President Pence to overturn the election results.
Hell, we have mas on this very forum. The loonies are everywhere...
Of course, Jordan Klepper was at the riot. He really has a keen sense of what motivates the Trump cult...
Dan Bongino is a Parler investor. Care to bet on what a cursory view of some of his posts might reveal?...
I have no idea. I'm not all that familiar with Dan Bongino. I know he has spread a lot of falsehoods about the election. People are allowed to say and believe things that are false.
If parler comes back, then do a test on 2 different accounts.
On 1 account, post something violent against a democrat.
On a different account, post something defending a democrat or something a democrat would say.
See which one gets removed first.
This is pretty wild.
Rep Mikie Sherrill is alleging that some lawmakers held 'reconnaissance' tours the day before the attacks on the White House.
My guess is that between guest log books, security cameras or some other mechanism to track who comes in and out of the Capitol, this would be relatively easy to track. It's nothing, you'll likely not hear anything else about it. If it's something, well then that's pretty insane.
Rep Mikie Sherrill is alleging that some lawmakers held 'reconnaissance' tours the day before the attacks on the White House.
My guess is that between guest log books, security cameras or some other mechanism to track who comes in and out of the Capitol, this would be relatively easy to track. It's nothing, you'll likely not hear anything else about it. If it's something, well then that's pretty insane.
If true, the congress people responsible should be tried for treason. I've seen a lot of smoke but waiting on a congress person to be named.
I think it's hard to create two accounts on Parler. It's SMS authenticated so you need more than a fake email unlike Twitter where bots run the day. I do have two phones but am hesitant to use my work cell for entertainment and social media Apps.
I'd gladly partake in your experiment though because I think your view of the platform is warped.
Here's a name that keeps popping up when I look for this stuff:
Editorial: Lauren Boebert’s role in the insurrection must also be investigated
U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert’s words and actions before, during and after the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were dangerous.
www.denverpost.com
A Colorado Republican tweeted about Pelosi’s location during the Capitol siege. She’s now facing calls to resign - The Boston Globe
Colorado Representative Lauren Boebert went on the offensive Monday night, with the Republican issuing a bellicose statement amid growing calls for her resignation following her actions before and during the riot at the US Capitol.
www.bostonglobe.com
IF true, it also changes the calculus of a rep's involvement being purely political to true believer status. The former you can expect and understand to a degree (though not condone). The latter, whoa boy.
Here's a name that keeps popping up when I look for this stuff:
Editorial: Lauren Boebert’s role in the insurrection must also be investigated
U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert’s words and actions before, during and after the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol were dangerous.
That is some weak tea from what I can see in that article. There were a lot of GOP House members and some Senators that knowingly misled their followers into believing that the 6th was anything more than a formality. They had convinced people that the election could actually be overturned if there was enough objections, and they did it to win political favor.
Irresponsible and stupid for sure, but not worthy of being called treasonous or
being expelled from congress or anything like that.
Deserving of investigation? I think so . . . plus we don't have any details from Mikie Sherrill's observations forwarded to the FBI. So I'm OK withholding judgment . . . but I'm ready to sharpen my knives, just in case . . . and if they're not needed, they'll be sharp for the next steak dinner.
because we shouldn't expect a certain level of decorum or anything from our senators or congressmen or congresswomen.
It would be both stupid and irresponsible to publicly name names, while an investigation is ongoing. The names were reported to the police, By DOZENS of different congressmen and their staff, people who saw the recon tours going on and have signed their names to that effect. The recon tours stuck out like a sore thumb since under COVID protocols, almost all Capitol tours had been halted.
I think I saw a headline a couple days ago saying that Tim Ryan was involved in spearheading an investigation. BICBW. If I'm right, I think he'll address it in a straightforward manner. He strikes me as a down to earth, sensible guy. Not to mention he's @TheOriginalHappyGoat 's man crush.
YCBW, or YCBR:
Rep. Tim Ryan: Probe Underway On Whether Members Gave Capitol Tours To Rioters
The Ohio Democrat says investigators are looking into whether "potentially members of Congress" gave tours to pro-Trump rioters prior to the breach of the U.S. Capitol.
www.npr.org
YMBR, IMBC.YCBW, or YCBR:
Rep. Tim Ryan: Probe Underway On Whether Members Gave Capitol Tours To Rioters
The Ohio Democrat says investigators are looking into whether "potentially members of Congress" gave tours to pro-Trump rioters prior to the breach of the U.S. Capitol.
Guess all those Antifa terrorists are getting rounded up by the FBI now
hopefully they get their stories straight about being antifa or trump won't pardon them.
probably should check their recent purchase history...www.needantifagearfast.com
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Feds: Capitol Mob Aimed to ‘Assassinate’ Elected Officials
www.snopes.com
Feds back away from claim of assassination plot at Capitol
PHOENIX (AP) — Federal prosecutors who initially said there was “strong evidence” the pro-Trump mob that stormed the U...
www.snopes.com
Feds: Capitol Mob Aimed to ‘Assassinate’ Elected Officials
Feds back away from claim of assassination plot at Capitol
PHOENIX (AP) — Federal prosecutors who initially said there was “strong evidence” the pro-Trump mob that stormed the U...
darn antifa. what were they thinking?
crazy. hopefully security is ready on the 20th.
some here still like to characterize it as a cosplay convention of jokesters
they need to watch batman some more to realize people that look like jokers can still be dangerous.
I was thinking Loki instead of Joker but you're right.they need to watch batman some more to realize people that look like jokers can still be dangerous.
Jake Angeli's lawyer (Albert Watson) may prove to be even more "entertaining" as a lawyer than Guiliani. It's interesting that an Arizona defendant hires a lawyer from St. Louis. Here is part of his defense:
Watkins said Chansley — also known as Jake Angeli and the QAnon shaman — hung “on every word” of the president and felt “very, very, very solidly in sync” with him. It was “like his voice was for the first time being heard,” the lawyer added.
Chansley, 33, of Phoenix, “loved” Trump and “felt like he was answering the call of our president,” Watkins said. He was in Washington “at the invitation of our president, who was going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue with him,” he added. Trump told his supporters at the pre-riot rally that he would accompany them to the Capitol, but went back to the White House to watch the insurrection on TV instead.
Horned Capitol Rioter Wants Pardon From Trump: Only There At 'Invitation Of President'
Jake Angeli’s attorney claimed Donald Trump had “an obligation” to pardon his client, who he said "loved" the president.
Although he wants Trump to pardon Chansley, the underlined part of his statement above seems like good testimony for the Senate to use in Trump's impeachment trial.
The self-promotion claims by Watson are exaggerated to say the least:
The Bio of the Lawyer Representing Two Gun-Toting St. Louis Attorneys Will Leave You Speechless
St. Louis attorneys Mark McCloskey and Patricia McCloskey, who made national headlines after pictures and videos showed them pointing firearms toward protesters in their gated community, have retained a lawyer. The McCloskeys' hiring of a lawyer is not surprising given that a St. Louis...
lawandcrime.com
Better stock up on popcorn.
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