Who was behind the siege on the Capital?

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I was thinking Loki instead of Joker but you're right.

Jake Angeli's lawyer (Albert Watson) may prove to be even more "entertaining" as a lawyer than Guiliani. It's interesting that an Arizona defendant hires a lawyer from St. Louis. Here is part of his defense:

Watkins said Chansley — also known as Jake Angeli and the QAnon shaman — hung “on every word” of the president and felt “very, very, very solidly in sync” with him. It was “like his voice was for the first time being heard,” the lawyer added.​
Chansley, 33, of Phoenix, “loved” Trump and “felt like he was answering the call of our president,” Watkins said. He was in Washington “at the invitation of our president, who was going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue with him,” he added. Trump told his supporters at the pre-riot rally that he would accompany them to the Capitol, but went back to the White House to watch the insurrection on TV instead.​


Although he wants Trump to pardon Chansley, the underlined part of his statement above seems like good testimony for the Senate to use in Trump's impeachment trial.

The self-promotion claims by Watson are exaggerated to say the least:


Better stock up on popcorn.
He kind of throws trump under the bus by admitting that he was hypnotized by trump's words and then says he hopes for a pardon. Methinks he won't get the pardon.

If he wanted the pardon, he should have whipped out his brand new antifa t-shirt.
 

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I was thinking Loki instead of Joker but you're right.

Jake Angeli's lawyer (Albert Watson) may prove to be even more "entertaining" as a lawyer than Guiliani. It's interesting that an Arizona defendant hires a lawyer from St. Louis. Here is part of his defense:

Watkins said Chansley — also known as Jake Angeli and the QAnon shaman — hung “on every word” of the president and felt “very, very, very solidly in sync” with him. It was “like his voice was for the first time being heard,” the lawyer added.​
Chansley, 33, of Phoenix, “loved” Trump and “felt like he was answering the call of our president,” Watkins said. He was in Washington “at the invitation of our president, who was going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue with him,” he added. Trump told his supporters at the pre-riot rally that he would accompany them to the Capitol, but went back to the White House to watch the insurrection on TV instead.​


Although he wants Trump to pardon Chansley, the underlined part of his statement above seems like good testimony for the Senate to use in Trump's impeachment trial.

The self-promotion claims by Watson are exaggerated to say the least:


Better stock up on popcorn.
The blatant BS/disconnect in the lawyer’s argument is the guy’s a “true shaman” and yet under the spell of Trump. Contradictory.
 
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He kind of throws trump under the bus by admitting that he was hypnotized by trump's words and then says he hopes for a pardon. Methinks he won't get the pardon.

If he wanted the pardon, he should have whipped out his brand new antifa t-shirt.
Trump won’t pardon him because Trump wants to legally disavow any approval of the siege.
 

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Exclusive: Large bitcoin payments to right-wing activists a month before Capitol riot linked to foreign account

WASHINGTON — On Dec. 8, someone made a simultaneous transfer of 28.15 bitcoins — worth more than $500,000 at the time — to 22 different virtual wallets, most of them belonging to prominent right-wing organizations and personalities.

Now cryptocurrency researchers believe they have identified who made the transfer, and suspect it was intended to bolster those far-right causes. U.S. law enforcement is investigating whether the donations were linked to the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol.

 

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Yeah I think everyone (well everyone that isn’t a hyper partisan) knew this was hyperbole. That being said I hope they nail those rubes’ asses to the wall.
'We're coming for that bitch Pelosi'

Yeah I'm not sure man. This might be scarier than a bunch of drunks getting rowdy and out of control.

New rep Lauren Bogeart (I think that's her name) is in the middle of some pretty crazy left wing conspiracies, which is probably all they are but there are some dots to connect.

For one she was one of the most vocal promoters of the day. She tweeted 'this is our 1776' during it.

Even more F'd up is after all the representatives were taken to a secure location they were told, multiple times and very directly to not use their phones because it might give their location away.

Bobeart tweeted that Pelosi was moved to a different chamber, violating the directive and oddly, why did she tweet that out in the first place.

Bobeart is also the big rumor mill of the guided tour leak.

So, I'm not so sure it was hyperbole. There are multiple vids of rioters saying stuff like 'death is the only remedy'.

When you're that far gone into the lunacy, you do stupid shit in the name of the cause.
 

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'We're coming for that bitch Pelosi'

Yeah I'm not sure man. This might be scarier than a bunch of drunks getting rowdy and out of control.

New rep Lauren Bogeart (I think that's her name) is in the middle of some pretty crazy left wing conspiracies, which is probably all they are but there are some dots to connect.

For one she was one of the most vocal promoters of the day. She tweeted 'this is our 1776' during it.

Even more F'd up is after all the representatives were taken to a secure location they were told, multiple times and very directly to not use their phones because it might give their location away.

Bobeart tweeted that Pelosi was moved to a different chamber, violating the directive and oddly, why did she tweet that out in the first place.

Bobeart is also the big rumor mill of the guided tour leak.

So, I'm not so sure it was hyperbole. There are multiple vids of rioters saying stuff like 'death is the only remedy'.

When you're that far gone into the lunacy, you do stupid shit in the name of the cause.
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Yeah I think everyone (well everyone that isn’t a hyper partisan) knew this was hyperbole. That being said I hope they nail those rubes’ asses to the wall.
I'm pretty sure this whole group of crimes (aiding and abetting, conspiracy, inciting to riot) does not even require you to speak any words at all to be found guilty. So, if a defendant does use words and the words appear suspicious, it probably won't save him to claim it was "just hyperbole," "I didn't mean it", "it was just a joke", "I was just kidding", etc.

If you say it both ways (as Trump sometimes does), and one of the ways violates the law, then good luck in court. Trump's post-riot video is an example, in which he told the rioters to go home but also told them he loved them and that they were "very special" as well as repeated after the riot more of his false claims of election fraud that incited the rioters in the first place.

I think the rioters will get prosecuted -- the feds are now up to 275 cases. I would be sad if they confirm that some members of Congress were in on it-- they're not immune so, if so, hang their asses too.
 
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I'm pretty sure this whole group of crimes (aiding and abetting, conspiracy, inciting to riot) does not even require you to speak any words at all to be found guilty. So, if a defendant does use words and the words appear suspicious, it probably won't save him to claim it was "just hyperbole," "I didn't mean it", "it was just a joke", "I was just kidding", etc.

If you say it both ways (as Trump sometimes does), and one of the ways violates the law, then good luck in court. Trump's post-riot video is an example, in which he told the rioters to go home but also told them he loved them and that they were "very special" as well as repeated after the riot more of his false claims of election fraud that incited the rioters in the first place.

I think the rioters will get prosecuted -- the feds are now up to 275 cases. I would be sad if they confirm that some members of Congress were in on it-- they're not immune so, if so, hang their asses too.
I hope everyone that went in the building gets jail time. Those that pushed past the line of demarcation but started outside should feel fine pain.

If members of Congress helped they should be hung.
 

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McConnell, is a despicable human...but a political athlete.

Trump cost him his job and he (hopefully) will gut the snake. It is the only hope the Pubs have of rebuilding any time soon.
McConnell is a despicable human.

Trump is a despicable human.

Biden and Pelosi aren't much above Trump or McConnell in the despicable human dept. (a job requirement of those who now control both parties).

in a corrupt system, the corrupt flourish and the non corrupt are seen as a threat.

that said, McConnell is almost 79, and his current term will take him to almost 85, so he may see himself as someone free of having/wanting to run for election again, thus free of doing others malevolent bidding anymore.

or most likely not.

will be interesting to see if he has a non despicable side.

same with Biden.. he may not be interested in a 2nd term after scaling Everest once, (more like dropped at the summit by a corp helicopter), which would free him of any puppet strings as well.

that said, the "leadership" of the country has been a horrible bunch of despicables for far too long, and will be that way as long as Wall St and big money controls both parties.

it's not personal, it's just business.

McConnell and Biden have a chance to redeem themselves if neither is interested in another term.

if they are not interested in another term, and still can't shake their despicableness, then their despicableness is all on them.

Pelosi wants to be in the speaker's chair forever, which only despicables will be considered for by the money controlled parties, so no hope for her redemption.

Trump on the other hand, is vile on a whole nother level of subhuman.

his working and middle class non white nationalist cult members know their own govt screws them over all day every day, and unfortunately grasped onto the most wrong and vile person imaginable because he talked the talk, and they saw him as the enemy of their enemy, thus hopefully their friend.

he's not. he never was. he never will be.

Trump could have been the working class savior, rather than just false idol, and i can't think of anyone else with that possibility that the corporate media can't bury in an instant with a flick of their fingers, just by labeling them a socialist.

unfortunately his world class total vileness and subhumanness got between him and a possibility for greatness that few, if any other today, ever have even a possibility for.

we can fix what's broke, purge the despicables, but not as long as money can buy govt, and only SCOTUS can fix that now.

if free of the desire for re-election, possibly Mitch and Biden can at least leave on an infinitely higher note from a public service pov than they now occupy.

if free of the re-election need, they both have a once in a political career chance now to achieve what those burdened by the lust for never ending office will never have.

what they do now, will show who they really are when free of puppet strings.

unfortunately i'm not hopeful, but they do have a chance to accomplish what a Dem prez and Pub senate leader wouldn't/couldn't, if tied to wanting both re-election and party leadership.

as the parties themselves are the real problem.

and they aren't human, nor are the algorithm controlled corporations that totally control them both.
 

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McConnell is a despicable human.

Trump is a despicable human.

Biden and Pelosi aren't much above Trump or McConnell in the despicable human dept. (a job requirement of those who now control both parties).

in a corrupt system, the corrupt flourish and the non corrupt are seen as a threat.

that said, McConnell is almost 79, and his current term will take him to almost 85, so he may see himself as someone free of having/wanting to run for election again, thus free of doing others malevolent bidding anymore.

or most likely not.

will be interesting to see if he has a non despicable side.

same with Biden.. he may not be interested in a 2nd term after scaling Everest once, (more like dropped at the summit by a corp helicopter), which would free him of any puppet strings as well.

that said, the "leadership" of the country has been a horrible bunch of despicables for far too long, and will be that way as long as Wall St and big money controls both parties.

it's not personal, it's just business.

McConnell and Biden have a chance to redeem themselves if neither is interested in another term.

if they are not interested in another term, and still can't shake their despicableness, then their despicableness is all on them.

Pelosi wants to be in the speaker's chair forever, which only despicables will be considered for by the money controlled parties, so no hope for her redemption.

Trump on the other hand, is vile on a whole nother level of subhuman.

his working and middle class non white nationalist cult members know their own govt screws them over all day every day, and unfortunately grasped onto the most wrong and vile person imaginable because he talked the talk, and they saw him as the enemy of their enemy, thus hopefully their friend.

he's not. he never was. he never will be.

Trump could have been the working class savior, rather than just false idol, and i can't think of anyone else with that possibility that the corporate media can't bury in an instant with a flick of their fingers, just by labeling them a socialist.

unfortunately his world class total vileness and subhumanness got between him and a possibility for greatness that few, if any other today, ever have even a possibility for.

we can fix what's broke, purge the despicables, but not as long as money can buy govt, and only SCOTUS can fix that now.

if free of the desire for re-election, possibly Mitch and Biden can at least leave on an infinitely higher note from a public service pov than they now occupy.

if free of the re-election need, they both have a once in a political career chance now to achieve what those burdened by the lust for never ending office will never have.

what they do now, will show who they really are when free of puppet strings.

unfortunately i'm not hopeful, but they do have a chance to accomplish what a Dem prez and Pub senate leader wouldn't/couldn't, if tied to wanting both re-election and party leadership.

as the parties themselves are the real problem.

and they aren't human, nor are the algorithm controlled corporations that totally control them both.
I agree in large part. I don't have much hope for McConnell. Even though I don't think he will run for another term, he desperately wants to finish this one in the Majority leader's seat. I look for a lot of obstruction the next two years he can spin as Democratic failure.

True reform in Congress begins with diminishing the power of both the Speaker and the Senate Majority leader to singlehandedly block legislation and procedural votes. Unfortunately, in a two-party system the minority always cries about the abuse of the majority, but when the majority flips the new sherrif immediately takes advantage of the same rules. This country desperately needs a third party that hates both of the other two with equal intensity.
 
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McConnell is a despicable human.

Trump is a despicable human.

Biden and Pelosi aren't much above Trump or McConnell in the despicable human dept. (a job requirement of those who now control both parties).

in a corrupt system, the corrupt flourish and the non corrupt are seen as a threat.

that said, McConnell is almost 79, and his current term will take him to almost 85, so he may see himself as someone free of having/wanting to run for election again, thus free of doing others malevolent bidding anymore.

or most likely not.

will be interesting to see if he has a non despicable side.

same with Biden.. he may not be interested in a 2nd term after scaling Everest once, (more like dropped at the summit by a corp helicopter), which would free him of any puppet strings as well.

that said, the "leadership" of the country has been a horrible bunch of despicables for far too long, and will be that way as long as Wall St and big money controls both parties.

it's not personal, it's just business.

McConnell and Biden have a chance to redeem themselves if neither is interested in another term.

if they are not interested in another term, and still can't shake their despicableness, then their despicableness is all on them.

Pelosi wants to be in the speaker's chair forever, which only despicables will be considered for by the money controlled parties, so no hope for her redemption.

Trump on the other hand, is vile on a whole nother level of subhuman.

his working and middle class non white nationalist cult members know their own govt screws them over all day every day, and unfortunately grasped onto the most wrong and vile person imaginable because he talked the talk, and they saw him as the enemy of their enemy, thus hopefully their friend.

he's not. he never was. he never will be.

Trump could have been the working class savior, rather than just false idol, and i can't think of anyone else with that possibility that the corporate media can't bury in an instant with a flick of their fingers, just by labeling them a socialist.

unfortunately his world class total vileness and subhumanness got between him and a possibility for greatness that few, if any other today, ever have even a possibility for.

we can fix what's broke, purge the despicables, but not as long as money can buy govt, and only SCOTUS can fix that now.

if free of the desire for re-election, possibly Mitch and Biden can at least leave on an infinitely higher note from a public service pov than they now occupy.

if free of the re-election need, they both have a once in a political career chance now to achieve what those burdened by the lust for never ending office will never have.

what they do now, will show who they really are when free of puppet strings.

unfortunately i'm not hopeful, but they do have a chance to accomplish what a Dem prez and Pub senate leader wouldn't/couldn't, if tied to wanting both re-election and party leadership.

as the parties themselves are the real problem.

and they aren't human, nor are the algorithm controlled corporations that totally control them both.
You should capitalize your sentences. If nothing else, you might think capitalization is such a pain that you voluntarily eliminate half your sentences (which perhaps would make your post short enough to read).

TLDR
 

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You should capitalize your sentences. If nothing else, you might think capitalization is such a pain that you voluntarily eliminate half your sentences (which perhaps would make your post short enough to read).

TLDR
Beginning-of-sentence capitalization is a setting choice. Igw does it on purpose. Claim to fame...or he does it to flip The Man the bird (doesn’t work) but instead annoys his friends.
 

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McConnell is a despicable human.

Trump is a despicable human.

Biden and Pelosi aren't much above Trump or McConnell in the despicable human dept. (a job requirement of those who now control both parties).

in a corrupt system, the corrupt flourish and the non corrupt are seen as a threat.

that said, McConnell is almost 79, and his current term will take him to almost 85, so he may see himself as someone free of having/wanting to run for election again, thus free of doing others malevolent bidding anymore.

or most likely not.

will be interesting to see if he has a non despicable side.

same with Biden.. he may not be interested in a 2nd term after scaling Everest once, (more like dropped at the summit by a corp helicopter), which would free him of any puppet strings as well.

that said, the "leadership" of the country has been a horrible bunch of despicables for far too long, and will be that way as long as Wall St and big money controls both parties.

it's not personal, it's just business.

McConnell and Biden have a chance to redeem themselves if neither is interested in another term.

if they are not interested in another term, and still can't shake their despicableness, then their despicableness is all on them.

Pelosi wants to be in the speaker's chair forever, which only despicables will be considered for by the money controlled parties, so no hope for her redemption.

Trump on the other hand, is vile on a whole nother level of subhuman.

his working and middle class non white nationalist cult members know their own govt screws them over all day every day, and unfortunately grasped onto the most wrong and vile person imaginable because he talked the talk, and they saw him as the enemy of their enemy, thus hopefully their friend.

he's not. he never was. he never will be.

Trump could have been the working class savior, rather than just false idol, and i can't think of anyone else with that possibility that the corporate media can't bury in an instant with a flick of their fingers, just by labeling them a socialist.

unfortunately his world class total vileness and subhumanness got between him and a possibility for greatness that few, if any other today, ever have even a possibility for.

we can fix what's broke, purge the despicables, but not as long as money can buy govt, and only SCOTUS can fix that now.

if free of the desire for re-election, possibly Mitch and Biden can at least leave on an infinitely higher note from a public service pov than they now occupy.

if free of the re-election need, they both have a once in a political career chance now to achieve what those burdened by the lust for never ending office will never have.

what they do now, will show who they really are when free of puppet strings.

unfortunately i'm not hopeful, but they do have a chance to accomplish what a Dem prez and Pub senate leader wouldn't/couldn't, if tied to wanting both re-election and party leadership.

as the parties themselves are the real problem.

and they aren't human, nor are the algorithm controlled corporations that totally control them both.
 
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