Well musk owns twitter. As for the deep state I don’t know anything about it. What I do know is that there are basic, common sense things that can be done. And for the party crying we’ve been cheated, and for the party crying our democracy is imperiled, those things are a minor inconvenience
So who is proven right on election night?
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I agree our elections deserve confidence and respect. But I also don’t want to limit anybody’s right to say otherwise.
Marc Elias is no dummy. He's good and he became very wealthy advising Hillary and the Democrats in 2016 and 2020. His 2016 involvement with the Russia hoax is well documented. It was probably legal, but you have to give Elias credit for covering the paper trail with enough crap so we will never know for sure.
2020 was different. Elias and the Democrats came up with a game plan, flawlessly executed it, and badly out-coached Trump and the GOP. The game plan was essentially to use the pandemic to coordinate litigation and administrative processes to relax voting security, especially in close battle-ground states, which made election misconduct easier and more difficult to catch.
I don’t think there is much doubt that there was an all-out institutional effort to beat Trump. The Hunter lap-top fiasco is an example. The intelligence official letter took coordination and input from very smart and connected people. If truth would ever come out, I wouldn’t be surprised if that started in the Perkins Cole law firm
There were statistical anomalies with tabulations.
The Democrats did substantial election manipulation before the votes were cast, the Republicans were caught flat-footed, and tried to catch up afterwards. Post election challenges are next to legally imppossible in circumstances more egregious than 2020. Trump’s post election conduct was stupid, destructive and I’ll-advised.
I don't want to limit your right to spout such bullshit. I just want other Republicans to call you out and make you a sideshow, rather than representative of your party.
Electon denier takes the lead! The other election denier takes a 6 point lead which is likely always about what he has had. Could be a big night for the elections deniers!
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JD Vance wrote a book all about how poor people are lazy and blame others for their problems, real "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" type stuff. I loved it, castigating poor people for the decisions they've made to reach their station in life is one of my favorite pastimes.
Now he tells poor people that China, illegal immigrants and liberal elites are the reason they aren't successful. Pretty lame about face don't you think?
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Dems don't try to rig elections. They're all free and fair 😉
I don't know who Cardillo is, but he is one stupid sumbitch.
Loons are not serious political people. They get mad, vote and then slowly disappear over the years. Left or right the dynamic is the same outcome over time. "Have a little faith baby".
Where's Melania and Ivanka?here ya go dbm. Everything you want in one picture!
We're kicking your boilermaker a#$ on Tuesday! Hoosiers 83, Purdue 7. Wrong board?Is it the slew of October partisan GOP polls predicting a "red wave"? Or is it the actual trends showing up in the early voting, and the data that Simon Rosenberg provided in this Meidas Touch podcast earlier today? Hey who better than me to post something controversial, right?
This is a long (27 min video), and undoubtedly most people will not bother to check it out. But if for whatever reason the "Red Wave" being touted by the likes of bailey, dbm, DANC, ftw and others fails to materialize, and you find yourself wondering how all of those Trafalgar/ Rasmussen and myriad of polling outfits you've never heard of could all be wrong, then you can come back and watch this and know that it wasn't that the GOP was "robbed". Rather it's that polls can only tell so much and actual data and results can sometimes tell you things that pollsters miss...
There's been a few folks questioning these October polls- here's an article that raises some valid questions...
How polling averages could be underestimating the Democrats
Are Republican survey firms skewing midterm predictions?www.yahoo.com
Think about how all of a sudden the polls shifted in Oct, and as we witnessed on this very board the drumbeat was led by partisan GOP pollsters. There was a period of about 10 days when no independent, non-partisan polls were released but seemingly every day there was a new Ras, or Trafalgar or IA poll filling the void. Now it's to the point that national media is touting a huge GOP advantage, but that is not what the actual early vote totals (26 Million) and data (Dems +3 Million) is saying. Specifically in order to have a wave you have to have a dearth of votes from the opposition and that's normally what happens in midterms...
But Dem early vote in 2022 is actually higher in background states than it was in both 2018 and 2020. And according to Rosenberg who is part of the effort and privy to the data, Dems voting early increases Dem overall turnout.
While some people claim that it leads to a cannibalization of election day turnout, he points out that the Dems have concentrated their efforts to get the most reliable of Dem voters to vote early. By doing so, they are now able to concentrate on motivating lower propensity voters to the polls, instead of having to extend time and energy to turning out the regular Dem voters in the next few days and on election day...
Of course the Red wave could still grow into a tsunami on election day and wipe out the leads the Dems have. But at this point in time, that's not what the actual data is telling the people who are privy to the data and analyzing it. He sounds pretty confidant, so we'll see...
But if the "red wave doesn't drown us all and the main proponents and advocates of same on here are whining incessantly about "stolen elections", then redirect them back to this thread. And laugh at them...
Throwing in the towel I see. Congratulations Governor elect Zeldin.
She's a good candidate.... but trying to flip WA is likely a reach too far. We'll see
Sending Joe Biden to freaking Yonkers 3 days before Election Day pretty much says it all about where Joe Biden and the Democrats are polling these days
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In 2016, white suburban women were just too dumb to choose themselves so they voted for Trump because their husbands told them to do so. In 2018, the saviors of the republic. In 2020, the saviors of democracy. In 2021, they were Racists for Youngkin. Now, “roaches”
And attacked the House, right? And continued to lie about it the entire year. Everyone around Trump admits he knows he lost, yet he has undermined our country by getting his multitude of morons to think the election was stolen from him.
They didn’t say there was election fraud. They said Russia interfered. And they did. That’s a huge difference.
Remember when COH's favorite comeback was "Nuance isn't your strong suit." Just don't here that from these people anymore.
COH was last seen in a leather jacket jumping a shark tank on a tandem bicycle. Jeez. That could have been posted by any of our resident nutters.
Why stop at 2016? I bet many dems still think Bush stole the election. And that SCOTUS is illegitimate because of Garland. And let's not forget about how the dems screwed Rick McIntyre in 1984.
Bottom line is both sides think they are getting cheated.
Is this what you call political word salad ?Is it the slew of October partisan GOP polls predicting a "red wave"? Or is it the actual trends showing up in the early voting, and the data that Simon Rosenberg provided in this Meidas Touch podcast earlier today? Hey who better than me to post something controversial, right?
This is a long (27 min video), and undoubtedly most people will not bother to check it out. But if for whatever reason the "Red Wave" being touted by the likes of bailey, dbm, DANC, ftw and others fails to materialize, and you find yourself wondering how all of those Trafalgar/ Rasmussen and myriad of polling outfits you've never heard of could all be wrong, then you can come back and watch this and know that it wasn't that the GOP was "robbed". Rather it's that polls can only tell so much and actual data and results can sometimes tell you things that pollsters miss...
There's been a few folks questioning these October polls- here's an article that raises some valid questions...
How polling averages could be underestimating the Democrats
Are Republican survey firms skewing midterm predictions?
Think about how all of a sudden the polls shifted in Oct, and as we witnessed on this very board the drumbeat was led by partisan GOP pollsters. There was a period of about 10 days when no independent, non-partisan polls were released but seemingly every day there was a new Ras, or Trafalgar or IA poll filling the void. Now it's to the point that national media is touting a huge GOP advantage, but that is not what the actual early vote totals (26 Million) and data (Dems +3 Million) is saying. Specifically in order to have a wave you have to have a dearth of votes from the opposition and that's normally what happens in midterms...
But Dem early vote in 2022 is actually higher in background states than it was in both 2018 and 2020. And according to Rosenberg who is part of the effort and privy to the data, Dems voting early increases Dem overall turnout.
While some people claim that it leads to a cannibalization of election day turnout, he points out that the Dems have concentrated their efforts to get the most reliable of Dem voters to vote early. By doing so, they are now able to concentrate on motivating lower propensity voters to the polls, instead of having to extend time and energy to turning out the regular Dem voters in the next few days and on election day...
Of course the Red wave could still grow into a tsunami on election day and wipe out the leads the Dems have. But at this point in time, that's not what the actual data is telling the people who are privy to the data and analyzing it. He sounds pretty confidant, so we'll see...
But if the "red wave doesn't drown us all and the main proponents and advocates of same on here are whining incessantly about "stolen elections", then redirect them back to this thread. And laugh at them...
Of course the early vote totals show a Democratic advantage. What else would they show?Is it the slew of October partisan GOP polls predicting a "red wave"? Or is it the actual trends showing up in the early voting, and the data that Simon Rosenberg provided in this Meidas Touch podcast earlier today? Hey who better than me to post something controversial, right?
This is a long (27 min video), and undoubtedly most people will not bother to check it out. But if for whatever reason the "Red Wave" being touted by the likes of bailey, dbm, DANC, ftw and others fails to materialize, and you find yourself wondering how all of those Trafalgar/ Rasmussen and myriad of polling outfits you've never heard of could all be wrong, then you can come back and watch this and know that it wasn't that the GOP was "robbed". Rather it's that polls can only tell so much and actual data and results can sometimes tell you things that pollsters miss...
There's been a few folks questioning these October polls- here's an article that raises some valid questions...
How polling averages could be underestimating the Democrats
Are Republican survey firms skewing midterm predictions?
Think about how all of a sudden the polls shifted in Oct, and as we witnessed on this very board the drumbeat was led by partisan GOP pollsters. There was a period of about 10 days when no independent, non-partisan polls were released but seemingly every day there was a new Ras, or Trafalgar or IA poll filling the void. Now it's to the point that national media is touting a huge GOP advantage, but that is not what the actual early vote totals (26 Million) and data (Dems +3 Million) is saying. Specifically in order to have a wave you have to have a dearth of votes from the opposition and that's normally what happens in midterms...
But Dem early vote in 2022 is actually higher in background states than it was in both 2018 and 2020. And according to Rosenberg who is part of the effort and privy to the data, Dems voting early increases Dem overall turnout.
While some people claim that it leads to a cannibalization of election day turnout, he points out that the Dems have concentrated their efforts to get the most reliable of Dem voters to vote early. By doing so, they are now able to concentrate on motivating lower propensity voters to the polls, instead of having to extend time and energy to turning out the regular Dem voters in the next few days and on election day...
Of course the Red wave could still grow into a tsunami on election day and wipe out the leads the Dems have. But at this point in time, that's not what the actual data is telling the people who are privy to the data and analyzing it. He sounds pretty confidant, so we'll see...
But if the "red wave doesn't drown us all and the main proponents and advocates of same on here are whining incessantly about "stolen elections", then redirect them back to this thread. And laugh at them...
Meanwhile, good polling does show the race shifting red. 538's Senate model recently shifted to toss-up, with even a very slight GOP advantage. That's important because 538's model gradually decreases the importance of structural effects (like the incumbent President penalty), and increases the importance of polls as election day nears, so the model is now almost entirely polls-only. In other words, it's predicting a good Republican outcome not because of any sort of punditry or expertise, but simply because that's what voters are telling pollsters to expect.
I know some liberals are still irked about 2000. And that's not surprising. 2000 was a clusterf*ck, and there's a lot there to complain about. But the people who are actually still pissed about it, who make a big deal about it, who think Bush was illegitimate, they are few and far between. It's a minor sideshow that doesn't mean much. Why? Because Gore dropped it. After SCOTUS ruled, Gore dropped any remaining challenges and conceded. Then he went to Congress and counted the votes, and then he went to the Inauguration and graciously witnessed Bush sworn in. If Trump had that sort of grace and humility, we probably wouldn't still be having these arguments.
NY Dems are scared, ready to blame Eric Adams for everything:
Thanks for the history recap, but I was alive and well at that time. So to you, it's not about being an election denier but which side is now the biggest election denier. Got it.
Well, the R's lose that comparison since Trump took it to the Congress. But the dems actually stole a house seat from the Pubs in 1984 and highly considered it again in 2021 with IA 02.
My point wasn't which side is worse, just that it happens on both sides and has happened for a long time.
Progressives dislike Adams and what he stands for, and want to hurt his standing for the future.
And Adams will happily work with Zeldin to end bail reform and bring back broken windows policing. Zeldin will give Adams everything he wants and be a partner with him in returning to Giuliani/Bloomberg era criminal justice policies.
What is YOUR prediction? Put your opinion out here. I know you’ve stated DeSantis and Rubio are in trouble. As well as saying Mike Lee is in trouble.Is it the slew of October partisan GOP polls predicting a "red wave"? Or is it the actual trends showing up in the early voting, and the data that Simon Rosenberg provided in this Meidas Touch podcast earlier today? Hey who better than me to post something controversial, right?
This is a long (27 min video), and undoubtedly most people will not bother to check it out. But if for whatever reason the "Red Wave" being touted by the likes of bailey, dbm, DANC, ftw and others fails to materialize, and you find yourself wondering how all of those Trafalgar/ Rasmussen and myriad of polling outfits you've never heard of could all be wrong, then you can come back and watch this and know that it wasn't that the GOP was "robbed". Rather it's that polls can only tell so much and actual data and results can sometimes tell you things that pollsters miss...
There's been a few folks questioning these October polls- here's an article that raises some valid questions...
How polling averages could be underestimating the Democrats
Are Republican survey firms skewing midterm predictions?
Think about how all of a sudden the polls shifted in Oct, and as we witnessed on this very board the drumbeat was led by partisan GOP pollsters. There was a period of about 10 days when no independent, non-partisan polls were released but seemingly every day there was a new Ras, or Trafalgar or IA poll filling the void. Now it's to the point that national media is touting a huge GOP advantage, but that is not what the actual early vote totals (26 Million) and data (Dems +3 Million) is saying. Specifically in order to have a wave you have to have a dearth of votes from the opposition and that's normally what happens in midterms...
But Dem early vote in 2022 is actually higher in background states than it was in both 2018 and 2020. And according to Rosenberg who is part of the effort and privy to the data, Dems voting early increases Dem overall turnout.
While some people claim that it leads to a cannibalization of election day turnout, he points out that the Dems have concentrated their efforts to get the most reliable of Dem voters to vote early. By doing so, they are now able to concentrate on motivating lower propensity voters to the polls, instead of having to extend time and energy to turning out the regular Dem voters in the next few days and on election day...
Of course the Red wave could still grow into a tsunami on election day and wipe out the leads the Dems have. But at this point in time, that's not what the actual data is telling the people who are privy to the data and analyzing it. He sounds pretty confidant, so we'll see...
But if the "red wave doesn't drown us all and the main proponents and advocates of same on here are whining incessantly about "stolen elections", then redirect them back to this thread. And laugh at them...
Predictions:
Senate: 55R GOP flips NV, NH, GA & AZ plus 1 extra shocker. Also Schumer’s race will be close enough to give Democrats agita as the votes come in until he pulls off a very narrow win.
Gov: Lee Zeldin wins
House: 249 R
Dems keep senate
Pubs take house
Desavage wins by more than 3pts in fla, which is a big deal turning that state red and begins his run for prez. All this but trump is stupid. You have to strike while the iron is hot. Progressives made the Dems look like fools. Desantis is the anti progressive. The Dems have no leadership. No candidates. Who knows what the country will look like in 28. Hell AOC could be on the view and the Dems tracked down their next Obama or bill Clinton. This might be the opportunity of Desantis’ life. He wouldn’t beat the next Obama/bill c
Meet the moguls going all in for Zeldin in New York
Here are six big spenders who have poured money into PACs backing Kathy Hochul’s Republican challenger.
www.cityandstateny.com
Worth noting Lauder, Tisch, Wynn and Zeldin are all Jewish
I have already laid it out elsewhere. 2000 it was 5 people robes. 2004 it was voting machines in Ohio. 2016 it was the Russians.
Did they go at the Capitol? No. Did they riot in D.C. in 2016 and then again for the inauguration in 2017? Yes. If calling the sanctity of elections into dispute is an attack on Democracy, the Democrats have been playing that game for 22 years. You don't get to go all Pikachu face when your spouse starts listening to all your rhetoric about the marriage being broken and then goes and acts accordingly.
I never named a side. It's wrong and dangerous as a whole when people do this, whether R or D. So please save me your grow up comment.
Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’
Hillary Clinton is sticking with her conviction that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying the details surrounding her loss are still unclear."There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level," Clinton said during an interview...
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