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So who is proven right on election night?

Boy, I hope so. I look forward to an end to crime, inflation, racism, and division. Starting 11/9, we will wake up in a utopia of conservative government, which will have all the resources they need to solve all of our problems.
No excuses allowed if someone brings up situations that are less than perfect.
 
Boy, I hope so. I look forward to an end to crime, inflation, racism, and division. Starting 11/9, we will wake up in a utopia of conservative government, which will have all the resources they need to solve all of our problems.
No excuses allowed if someone brings up situations that are less than perfect.
I’ll be happy with victories over the Tar Heels, Jayhawks and Wildcats.

Everything else is just gravy. . . .
 
add xavier, pu, wisconsin, etc.....

i'm greedy
Well, sure. But, at this point, just looking for a strong start. If they can get these, the rest of the year could be outstanding.

And I really hate Wisconsin. Something like a 44-game streak against them in the Knight years and now we can’t ever seem to compete against those twerps.
 
Dude early voting means nothing as republicans vote on election day by like a a 70 to 30 margin. Your party is going to get slaughtered on Tuesday.
Not sure how you can claim early voting means nothing, or else predict how motivated people who say they are highly motivated to vote on Tues are to actually go out and do so depending on weather, lines etc... And at this point are the people who are "undecided" going to break a specific direction AND going to reach a definite decision which motivates them to go out and vote? Or are they just going to remain "undecided" and end up not voting?

But regardless, the point he makes is that Dem early vote in key areas in 2022, is ahead of where it was at the same point in both 2018 and 2020, which are the two most recent record setting turnout elections where Dem early voting was the key. I'm not saying he's right, because I don't know.

But an obvious example is PA, where there are more registered Dems than Pubs. The Pubs had about a 32,000 gain from party switchers, but that was basically negated by Dems having a 30,000 advantage among first time voters who registered. But a key demographic this year may be 18-29 yr olds, who are voting early at a much higher rate in 2022,than they did in either 2018 or 2020.

In 2018 there were about 18,500 early voters of that demographic, and in 2020 it was 70,000. But it's already at 80,000+ this year, and while the Dem share of those early youth voters was 61% in 2018, it's basically an 80-15% Dem lead with nearly 3x as many votes cast in 2022 early voting.


Keep in mind that Fetterman has run a very savy social media campaign, which has likely driven young Dems in PA to be more engaged than normal. And Oz is just not very likeable, even among Pubs who plan to vote for him...

So basically I am putting on public record a counterpoint, so that if things aren't as wonderful for the GOP on Tues as you predict, you can't come on here and whine about stolen elections. Of course you can and will, but rationale folks will have this historical record to refer back to. If the Senate doesn't end up with people like Masters, Oz and Herschel all winning then it's because the polls are off and they are relying on measuring people who could vote, rather than people who already have voted...
 
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Not sure how you can claim early voting means nothing, or else predict how motivated people who say they are highly motivated to vote on Tues are to actually go out and do so depending on weather, lines etc... And at this point are the people who are "undecided" going to break a specific direction AND going to reach a definite decision which motivates them to go out and vote? Or are they just going to remain "undecided" and end up not voting?

But regardless, the point he makes is that Dem early vote in key areas in 2022, is ahead of where it was at the same point in both 2018 and 2020, which are the two most recent record setting turnout elections where Dem early voting was the key. I'm not saying he's right, because I don't know.

But an obvious example is PA, where there are more registered Dems than Pubs. The Pubs had about a 32,000 gain from party switchers, but that was basically negated by Dems having a 30,000 advantage among first time voters who registered. But a key demographic this year may be 18-29 yr olds, who are voting early at a much higher rate in 2022,than they did in either 2018 or 2020.

In 2018 there were about 18,500 early voters of that demographic, and in 2020 it was 70,000. But it's already at 80,000+ this year, and while the Dem share of those early youth voters was 61% in 2018, it's basically an 80-15% Dem lead with nearly 3x as many votes cast in 2022 early voting.


Keep in mind that Fetterman has run a very savy social media campaign, which has likely driven young Dems in PA to be more engaged than normal. And Oz is just not very likeable, even among Pubs who plan to vote for him...

So basically I am putting on public record a counterpoint, so that if things aren't as wonderful for the GOP on Tues as you predict, you can't come on here and whine about stolen elections. Of course you can and will, but rationale folks will have this historical record to refer back to. If the Senate doesn't end up with people like Masters, Oz and Herschel all winning then it's because the polls are off and they are relying on measuring people who could vote, rather than people who already have voted...
Fetterman can’t even talk. Savvy social media. Jesus. Our gov is a joke
 
Not sure how you can claim early voting means nothing, or else predict how motivated people who say they are highly motivated to vote on Tues are to actually go out and do so depending on weather, lines etc... And at this point are the people who are "undecided" going to break a specific direction AND going to reach a definite decision which motivates them to go out and vote? Or are they just going to remain "undecided" and end up not voting?

But regardless, the point he makes is that Dem early vote in key areas in 2022, is ahead of where it was at the same point in both 2018 and 2020, which are the two most recent record setting turnout elections where Dem early voting was the key. I'm not saying he's right, because I don't know.

But an obvious example is PA, where there are more registered Dems than Pubs. The Pubs had about a 32,000 gain from party switchers, but that was basically negated by Dems having a 30,000 advantage among first time voters who registered. But a key demographic this year may be 18-29 yr olds, who are voting early at a much higher rate in 2022,than they did in either 2018 or 2020.

In 2018 there were about 18,500 early voters of that demographic, and in 2020 it was 70,000. But it's already at 80,000+ this year, and while the Dem share of those early youth voters was 61% in 2018, it's basically an 80-15% Dem lead with nearly 3x as many votes cast in 2022 early voting.


Keep in mind that Fetterman has run a very savy social media campaign, which has likely driven young Dems in PA to be more engaged than normal. And Oz is just not very likeable, even among Pubs who plan to vote for him...

So basically I am putting on public record a counterpoint, so that if things aren't as wonderful for the GOP on Tues as you predict, you can't come on here and whine about stolen elections. Of course you can and will, but rationale folks will have this historical record to refer back to. If the Senate doesn't end up with people like Masters, Oz and Herschel all winning then it's because the polls are off and they are relying on measuring people who could vote, rather than people who already have voted...
What is your prediction?
Good grief.
 
You say right wing polls yet many left wing polls have people like desantis winning easily as we near the election. I fully expect you to admit your left wing polls were dead wrong next Wednesday. Deal? Sienna is a left wing poller by the way.


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Where did I mention either of those 2 states/races? Clue- I didn't... The same folks who are touting great early vote numbers for Dems in states like PA and GA, also say that they are terrible in both FL and NV. So I assure you when I'm talking about "early vote totals" contradicting the polls, neither of those 2 states are on the itinerary...

And we're talking about non-partisan polls, vs highly partisan polls like Ras, Trafalgar etc...For example ABC news/WSJ combines the Left oriented ABC with the right oriented WSJ and the polling firm uses a Dem and a Pub in the process...

Trafalgar doesn't even make their splits public, and are pretty secretive. They are also continuing to milk mileage they garnered for picking up Clinton's issues in PA,MI and WI in 2016. By the same token they predicted a Trump victory in 2020, help to fuel the anti- Newsom hype in CA, and were off on the abortion amendment in KS. So how current or deserved is their ongoing claim to being "more reliable"?
 
What is your prediction?
Good grief.

Pubs taking the House has been a foregone conclusion all along. Getting all excited about that would be like storming the court after IU beat Marion. As a result, there will be no legislating and lots of nonsensical political bullshit coming out of that chamber in the next two years. If she wasn't planning on it already, Nancy will retire after the attack on her husband.

I'm concerned about the Senate. I felt pretty good about it earlier, but it looks to me like now the Dems could end up losing it by a seat or two. That means there will be no judges confirmed and if a Supreme Court seat comes open McConnell will once again refuse to do his Constitutional duty.
 
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I agree our elections deserve confidence and respect. But I also don’t want to limit anybody’s right to say otherwise.

Marc Elias is no dummy. He's good and he became very wealthy advising Hillary and the Democrats in 2016 and 2020. His 2016 involvement with the Russia hoax is well documented. It was probably legal, but you have to give Elias credit for covering the paper trail with enough crap so we will never know for sure.

2020 was different. Elias and the Democrats came up with a game plan, flawlessly executed it, and badly out-coached Trump and the GOP. The game plan was essentially to use the pandemic to coordinate litigation and administrative processes to relax voting security, especially in close battle-ground states, which made election misconduct easier and more difficult to catch.

I don’t think there is much doubt that there was an all-out institutional effort to beat Trump. The Hunter lap-top fiasco is an example. The intelligence official letter took coordination and input from very smart and connected people. If truth would ever come out, I wouldn’t be surprised if that started in the Perkins Cole law firm

There were statistical anomalies with tabulations.

The Democrats did substantial election manipulation before the votes were cast, the Republicans were caught flat-footed, and tried to catch up afterwards. Post election challenges are next to legally imppossible in circumstances more egregious than 2020. Trump’s post election conduct was stupid, destructive and I’ll-advised.
"2020 was different. Elias and the Democrats came up with a game plan, flawlessly executed it, and badly out-coached Trump and the GOP. The game plan was essentially to use the pandemic to coordinate litigation and administrative processes to relax voting security, especially in close battle-ground states, which made election misconduct easier and more difficult to catch."

S
o would you like to come up with any specific examples where the Primary was conducted differently than the general, or where Dem controlled Legislatures in battleground states (there aren't many, btw) pushed thru illegal attempts to subvert the 2020 election?

I assume we are only talking crucial battleground states, so it should be easy for you to specifically cite these nefarious actions? Where exactly was "voting security" relaxed and misconduct made easier?
 
Pubs taking the House has been a foregone conclusion all along. Getting all excited about that would be like storming the court after IU beat Marion. As a result, there will be no legislating and lots of nonsensical political bullshit coming out of that chamber in the next two years. If she wasn't planning on it already, Nancy will retire after the attack on her husband.

I'm concerned about the Senate. I felt pretty good about it earlier, but it looks to me like now the Dems could end up losing it by a seat or two. That means there will be no judges seated and if a Supreme Court seat comes open McConnell will once again refuse to do his Constitutional duty.
I agree with the House being lost (we haven't even talked the effects of gerrymandering) and anywhere from a +1 to - 1 or 2 in the Senate. And that's really the idea behind this thread. It's just my public record of disputing the claims by some regrading a 53 or 54 GOP Senate and GOP wins in NH,AZ etc being posted here.

Not that they couldn't somehow capture 55 seats, but I'm seeking to establish beforehand a rational list of reasons why the Dems could win and not have to cheat. If the polls were sacrosanct and existed in a vacuum that would be one thing. But with early voting, that's just not the case. None of these polls account for already cast vote totals, and while they are blowing a lot of white smoke, it's more than fair to question their legitimacy.

I hope the Dems can hold their House losses to < 20, but their are some people who will lose this year who would win if their district boundaries were the same as 2020. If the Pubs have a 20 seat majority, that will be just about the right number for them to drive McCarthy crazy, and expose enough wackiness to hurt them with Independents in 2024.

That's what happened from 2016-18, and a repeat is likely because they just can't help themselves. They convince themselves they represent a majority and then when the economy stabilizes and all they have are cultural issues they discover they're out of touch with the majority of voters. Maybe not so much in off year contests and midterms, but with the electorate as a whole in a POTUS race when people are engaged...
 
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I agree with the House being lost (we haven't even talked the effects of gerrymandering) and anywhere from a +1 to - 1 or 2 in the Senate. And that's really the idea behind this thread. It's just my public record of disputing the claims by some regrading a 53 or 54 GOP Senate and GOP wins in NH,AZ etc being posted here.

Not that they couldn't somehow capture 55 seats, but I'm seeking to establish beforehand a rational list of reasons why the Dems could win and not have to cheat. If the polls were sacrosanct and existed in a vacuum that would be one thing. But with early voting, that's just not the case. None of these polls account for already cast vote totals, and while they are blowing a lot of white smoke, it's more than fair to question their legitimacy.

I hope the Dems can hold their House losses to < 20, but their are some people who will lose this year who would win if their district boundaries were the same as 2020. If the Pubs have a 20 seat majority, that will be just about the right number for them to drive McCarthy crazy, and expose enough wackiness to hurt them with Independents in 2024.

That's what happened from 2016-18, and a repeat is likely because they just can't help themselves. They convince themselves they represent a majority and then when the economy stabilizes and all they have are cultural issues they discover they're out of touch with the majority of voters. Maybe not so much in off year contests and midterms, but with the electorate as a whole in a POTUS race when people are engaged...
The reason pubs are going to win is because Dems are out of touch with the majority of voters. How do you miss this irony? “The left has gone super crazy in ways the average American can’t understand.” Bill Maher just today on why Dems will lose. You have got to get out of whatever news bubble you’re trapped
 
But an obvious example is PA, where there are more registered Dems than Pubs. The Pubs had about a 32,000 gain from party switchers, but that was basically negated by Dems having a 30,000 advantage among first time voters who registered. But a key demographic this year may be 18-29 yr olds, who are voting early at a much higher rate in 2022,than they did in either 2018 or 2020.
He made this argument? Because that's just bad math. A 32K party-switch in favor of the GOP countered by 30K new Dem voters is not a wash. It's a 34K shift towards the Repubs.

I appreciate the desire for optimism, but the numbers don't look good for Tuesday.
 
The reason pubs are going to win is because Dems are out of touch with the majority of voters. How do you miss this irony? “The left has gone super crazy in ways the average American can’t understand.” Bill Maher just today on why Dems will lose. You have got to get out of whatever news bubble you’re trapped
Running on 01/06, abortion, CRT, etc was never going to be a winning strategey when the economy and inflation are the number one issues. No matter how bad dems wanted 01/06 to be the main issues it just is not for most voters and never will be.
 
Running on 01/06, abortion, CRT, etc was never going to be a winning strategey when the economy and inflation are the number one issues. No matter how bad dems wanted 01/06 to be the main issues it just is not for most voters and never will be.
Once again, I look forward to the upcoming Red Tsunami, and the resultant utopia of no crime, inflation, or division.
I will however, have to walk back the timeline of my expectations. Initially, I had stated that I expect perfection by 11/9, but I realized something today. We will have to wait until the GOP is done filing their lawsuits, demanding all the audits, and completing recounts for all the close elections they win, before they can, in good conscience, accept their many victories.

Right?

I mean, it's all been about election integrity, and the avoidance of even the appearance of impropriety, correct? So, I fully expect the GOP to apply the same high standards of accountability in close elections where they get more votes. Otherwise, they would reveal themselves to be nothing but a bunch of whining sore losers...and we know that isn't true.
So, now I expect a totally perfect economy, zero crime, and fully implemented solutions to all of our problems by, say, Jan. 1, 2023? That seems fair.
No excuses.
 
Dems keep senate
Pubs take house
Desavage wins by more than 3pts in fla, which is a big deal turning that state red and begins his run for prez. All this but trump is stupid. You have to strike while the iron is hot. Progressives made the Dems look like fools. Desantis is the anti progressive. The Dems have no leadership. No candidates. Who knows what the country will look like in 28. Hell AOC could be on the view and the Dems tracked down their next Obama or bill Clinton. This might be the opportunity of Desantis’ life. He wouldn’t beat the next Obama/bill c
Senate: 55R GOP flips NV, NH, GA & AZ plus 1 extra shocker. Schumer has very narrow win

Gov: Lee Zeldin wins, Lake wins, Kemp wins, Stitt wins

House: 249 R Mike Doyle (R) will succeed Mike Doyle (D)
 
Senate: 55R GOP flips NV, NH, GA & AZ plus 1 extra shocker. Schumer has very narrow win

Gov: Lee Zeldin wins, Lake wins, Kemp wins, Stitt wins

House: 249 R Mike Doyle (R) will succeed Mike Doyle (D)
I don't know. Lots of strange variables and flubs giving me some pause on what i was hoping was going to be a red tsunami. dumbass trump running his mouth; but so too is biden w/ stupid statements. hopefully a wash. But let's turn our attention to some senate races and things i'm seeing: jd vance had eyeliner on today. horrible mistake. who decided that? mark kelly wore his full nasa suit today. big time flex. hard to vote against a guy in a nasa suit. then i'm reading don't go by the results we hear tomorrow night because the final results will be later. well that's code for dems need to see how things go and if it's poor they'll work some voodoo on our dumbasses and win again. and the weather is spotty in some locales. why can't we mail our votes in. why do we always have to wait until the last day to show up. stupid. shit happens. storms happen. anyway. should be interesting. if i were herschel i'd be wearing my old georgia football jersey from now until friday
 
I don't know. Lots of strange variables and flubs giving me some pause on what i was hoping was going to be a red tsunami. dumbass trump running his mouth; but so too is biden w/ stupid statements. hopefully a wash. But let's turn our attention to some senate races and things i'm seeing: jd vance had eyeliner on today. horrible mistake. who decided that? mark kelly wore his full nasa suit today. big time flex. hard to vote against a guy in a nasa suit. then i'm reading don't go by the results we hear tomorrow night because the final results will be later. well that's code for dems need to see how things go and if it's poor they'll work some voodoo on our dumbasses and win again. and the weather is spotty in some locales. why can't we mail our votes in. why do we always have to wait until the last day to show up. stupid. shit happens. storms happen. anyway. should be interesting. if i were herschel i'd be wearing my old georgia football jersey from now until friday
Herschel can smell the goal line. I've received 3 texts from him in the last 3 days (always responded "STOP", as with all candidates) and still he persists. So does Charlie Kirk.
 
Herschel can smell the goal line. I've received 3 texts from him in the last 3 days (always responded "STOP", as with all candidates) and still he persists. So does Charlie Kirk.
Does the can spam act or whatever it’s called apply to political campaign texts?
 
Garland is going full fascist. They're will be fraud for sure. But not enough to stop what's coming.

 
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An interesting article from Business Insider where Putin's "Chef" is saying Russia is working to disrupt the mid-term elections. Knowing Russia they wouldn't admit it if they thought that they would be successful so this is probably just for purposes of throwing doubts out about our elections and making themselves look important but interesting, anyway.

 
3rd world countries like Brazil can all count their votes on election night. Everyone knows what they're doing. They're aiming for the 2nd Civil War.

They want to hope there are enough close ones where they can count for days or even a week but it isnt going to matter. Most will not be close enough for the fraud to work. You can only cheat so much without looking totally obvious. Obviously Penns is one place they would like to drag it out a week but I think Oz will simply be up by too much.
 
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They want to hope there are enough close ones where they can count for days or even a week but it isnt going to matter. Most will not be close enough for the fraud to work. You can only cheat so much without looking totally obvious. Obviously Penns is one place they would like to drag it out a week but I think Oz will simply be up by too much.
Kind of like getting his ass kicked ruined DJT’s plans a couple of years ago. He definitely didn’t see that coming.
 
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They want to hope there are enough close ones where they can count for days or even a week but it isnt going to matter. Most will not be close enough for the fraud to work. You can only cheat so much without looking totally obvious. Obviously Penns is one place they would like to drag it out a week but I think Oz will simply be up by too much.
If Vance wins in a romp like 7+ and Oz is somehow screwed in PA sh!t will hit the fan I believe. Absolutely no one will believe that.
 
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He made this argument? Because that's just bad math. A 32K party-switch in favor of the GOP countered by 30K new Dem voters is not a wash. It's a 34K shift towards the Repubs.

I appreciate the desire for optimism, but the numbers don't look good for Tuesday.
No...

it was a 30,000 net gain for Dems among new voters as compared to new GOP voters. So it's roughly a difference of 2000 voters, in a state where Dems already lead...I'd also argue that their may be a greater propensity for new voters, many of whom were inspired by Dobbs to actually vote. While people who changed their registration over a 2 year period may or may not vote, depending on how motivated they might be...

3rd world countries like Brazil can all count their votes on election night. Everyone knows what they're doing. They're aiming for the 2nd Civil War.

As I pointed out in my other thread on PA, it will be impossible for PA to be anywhere close to counted on election night. The GOP controlled PA Senate has mandated that none of the early/mail ballots can even be opened until the following day. We started scanning the ballots we received in person during Oct on Nov 1,and as far as I know we haven't completely counted all of them yet. That's just one county (Monroe) in IN and only applies to the in-person ballots we collected on site up until Nov 1 when we started scanning ballots cast each day...

PA will have millions of ballots to count which they can't even start counting until Nov 9. Again that is due to the GOP controlled Legislature, and it is a purposeful move to sew confusion. You're not stupid enough to believe it, but GOP candidates will tell their supporters that the ballots being counted after election day are late ballots just coming in, when the reality is they are all from people who voted prior to election day either in person or by mail. We know people will stupidly fall for that, because that lie is a basic cornerstone of the entire stop the steal campaign...
 
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No...

it was a 30,000 net gain for Dems among new voters as compared to new GOP voters. So it's roughly a difference of 2000 voters, in a state where Dems already lead...I'd also argue that their may be a greater propensity for new voters, many of whom were inspired by Dobbs to actually vote. While people who changed their registration over a 2 year period may or may not vote, depending on how motivated they might be...
No, it's not. A 30K advantage among new voters is indeed a 30K advantage for Dems, but a 32K advantage among party-switchers isn't a 32K advantage for the GOP, it's a 64K advantage, because the Dems lose a voter for each voter the GOP gains. Hence, a 34K total advantage for the GOP.
 
If Vance wins in a romp like 7+ and Oz is somehow screwed in PA sh!t will hit the fan I believe. Absolutely no one will believe that.
That doesn't even make sense, as OH is a red-tinged purple state and PA has about 500,000 more registered Dems than Pubs. Oz will have to count on split tickets among pubs voting for Schapiro, while DeWine will win in a walk and likely pull Vance along. Mastriano will drag Oz down- it's totally the opposite situation from Ohio...

The early vote numbers look very good for Dems in OH, compared to 2018. In 2018 early voting resulted in a 44-42 GOP lead. Sherrod Brown won the seat in an upset, while the Pubs captured the Governorship.

But in 2022 the early vote totals in OH are 44-39 Dems, so instead of a lead Vance is actually trailing heading into election day. The polls don't reflect that, but I'm telling you polls have limits and basically measure the people who intend to vote (who haven't yet) while actual turnout numbers tell the story of where the actual election stands. And Ryan is a popular guy with name recognition that some people registered as Republicans will vote for.
 
That doesn't even make sense, as OH is a red-tinged purple state and PA has about 500,000 more registered Dems than Pubs. Oz will have to count on split tickets among pubs voting for Schapiro, while DeWine will win in a walk and likely pull Vance along. Mastriano will drag Oz down- it's totally the opposite situation from Ohio...

The early vote numbers look very good for Dems in OH, compared to 2018. In 2018 early voting resulted in a 44-42 GOP lead. Sherrod Brown won the seat in an upset, while the Pubs captured the Governorship.

But in 2022 the early vote totals in OH are 44-39 Dems, so instead of a lead Vance is actually trailing heading into election day. The polls don't reflect that, but I'm telling you polls have limits and basically measure the people who intend to vote (who haven't yet) while actual turnout numbers tell the story of where the actual election stands. And Ryan is a popular guy with name recognition that some people registered as Republicans will vote for.
The Young Turks tell you this?
 
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