no chance we are hiring fife, but do you think Archie won’t be coaching again if we fire him? I think the odds of that happening are slim to none. That salary will dollar for dollar replace what we have to pay him.
So tired of this crap that we can't fire a coach for underachieving in 3 yrs ...
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no chance we are hiring fife, but do you think Archie won’t be coaching again if we fire him? I think the odds of that happening are slim to none. That salary will dollar for dollar replace what we have to pay him.
Read what I said next time. It's "crazy" to think IU should be fired now or to believe he'll be fired after this season for a couple reasons, but the primary one is that IU would have to continue to pay Miller $3.5 million per year for the next four years. It will NOT happen. Knowing that should help you keep your emotions under control which would be better for your health.
Expectations have not changed. Of course we expect to beat Nebraska today (I think IU can win every remaining game this year, but I expect there to be a few losses), and we still expect to compete for Big Ten and NCAA championships. No one has "accepted mediocrity" and that next person that claims that about anyone on this board (except for the anti-IU trolls that WANT IU mediocrity) is a moron.
I expect someone would hire him eventually, but it's not a guarantee. IU isn't going to fire him hoping that he will get hired immediately so they don't have to suck up that $3.5 million per year cost. Also, if you were guaranteed $3.5 million per for doing nothing, what is your incentive to rush into another job? There would be no rush at all.
Did we miss the tournament this year?
You do know were projected to get in, correct?
Not me, I could care less, it's not my money. Just saying, if the buyout is a concern to the admins, it would be a good option to give somebody who'd do no worse a chance at half price
I don't think that's how it works.
We'd owe Archie 100% of his salary until March 31, 2022, and then 50% after that until the lifetime of the contract. What I'm not sure is if he were to get another job, of that would be offset than and we would be off the hook and just pay the difference.
And if we lose this game, are we automatically disqualified from the tournament? Is that a new rule?
No. We'd owe him 100 percent of his remaining salary if fired this year or next and would only owe 50% of his remaining salary if fired after that. I really don't know if that is offset if he's hired somewhere else because I didn't read that in the articles, so I'm only guessing that's in the contract. It might not be.
That's what I said. In the post I quoted, you said we'd have to pay him 100% for the next 4 years, which would be 2024.
we are projected as an 8 seed on this very day. Lol. I get it’s been nasty at times but you talk like it’s a done deal. The best part is you talk like you understand at all what you are seeing. Good, good stuff!
Oh, also, I haven't Googled it, but if your finding an ample amount of info on Archie's contract and buyout … well
Well, what? What i found was from 2017 when he became coach. It's public record.
dude tom crean is in his second year at Georgia and makes millions. Archie would have at most one season off before his next higher. Shitty Big east school would gobble him up for the way he talks alone.
So you're basically conceding that NOBODY (of course other than IU and you) should be stupid enough to pay this guy that for the shitty product we will again witness today?
Nope. That isn't what I said. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.
I think he'd easily get a job if he wanted it. He'll make millions without taking another as well.
Google is your friend. I'll help you out. Google "archie miller contract" and read all about his contract yourself. Articles have been linked about it many times right here too and all you would have had to have done is click on those links and read about it. I could link some again, but you'll learn more by doing it.
Not saying you said that, just alluding to the fact that the Kool-Aid drinkers would consider that a monumental accomplishment, and seems you would too.
Google is your friend. I'll help you out. Google "archie miller contract" and read all about his contract yourself. Articles have been linked about it many times right here too and all you would have had to have done is click on those links and read about it. I could link some again, but you'll learn more by doing it.
I could, but it wouldn't be worth the time. To put in perspective, I'm more excited about what I might be able to find on Netflix this afternoon than watching us lose again to a crap team, and you and the sunshine pumpers find that an acceptable reality … oh, I hope we can make the NCAA tourney, what a joke.
Suit yourself, but it would help you to know something about the contract before talking about the contract.
Make sure you watch a comedy on Netflix. In your depressed condition a horror movie or drama would probably not work out for you. By the way, the game isn't on during the afternoon, it's at 7 tonight.
I enjoy the hell out of watching IU basketball. I certainly enjoyed the hell out of the OSU game, didn't you? Losses are certainly frustrating, but I don't fall into a depression. I don't miss a game if I can help it.
If we pump sunshine do you think you fart storm clouds?
They might, they're very good at wasting money, I somewhat recall their millions dollars "scientific" study a few years ago that confirmed pot gets you high! What an advancement of knowledge!
Great point. We did the same thing when we got rid of Crean. We didn't have a slam dunk hire waiting in the wings. I truly hope Archie can get the guys going. I am not a fire easily type guy. But if they miss the tourney this year then that is 3 in a row. You seriously have to consider having someone else. But as I just said you have to make sure you get a slam dunk hire.
Why would the sunshine pumpers give a RA about your viewing choices? I'm not sure you could have typed a dumber sentence.
Miller was literally called a "slam-dunk" hire in many sports articles - like this one. He was considered the hottest coaching prospect in college basketball. IU wasn't the only university that wanted him others did as well, to include OSU, but Matta's status was uncertain so the timing didn't work out. Miller might not work out, but don't revise history about the hiring. All the experts considered it a great one. That includes our very own Bob Knight, by the way.
Suit yourself, but it would help you to know something about the contract before talking about the contract.
Make sure you watch a comedy on Netflix. In your depressed condition a horror movie or drama would probably not work out for you. By the way, the game isn't on during the afternoon, it's at 7 tonight.
I enjoy the hell out of watching IU basketball. I certainly enjoyed the hell out of the OSU game, didn't you? Losses are certainly frustrating, but I don't fall into a depression. I don't miss a game if I can help it.
If we pump sunshine do you think you fart storm clouds?
I tend to go for comedies, I'll find one, apparently you live in Hawaii now? Can you imagine how depressing it is to go through three winters here with shitty bball? It's ice rain, and I'd bet you we're about to get our ass kicked by f'n Nebraska … let that sink in
No, I don't live in Hawaii now. I did for six years when I had this name and when we left I didn't bother changing it. Since leaving Hawaii, I've been in Ohio, California and back to Ohio. Previous to that I was HoosierInJapan and HoosierInKansas because those places were where I lived. I was Navy so we moved a few times and I agree about the winters in the Midwest. I'm not a fan.
I think we're going to beat Nebraska for our first road win. Don't want to miss that.
Not saying it was administrative mistake, you're totally correct, I wasn't enamored with it, but not a bad hire. Crean is gone, the world is OK again, give him time. But we have and then he has underachieved beyond my wildest imagination and I fear we hired a younger, less experienced Crean … Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you!
Good Sandford and Son reference.
I was all for the hire because like others here on this board that live in the Dayton area, we've seen him coach at UD. He is a very solid coach and his team played the way I want IU to play. I hated Crean's turnover prone offense and lousy defense (I've said that he underachieved every season at IU except one). There is no doubt the defense is much better under Miller, rebounding is better and turnovers are fewer. The offense still struggles, but soon as he gets better outside shooting the team will look far better. It'll look like the OSU game offense, but with better free throw shooting. I greatly enjoyed Miller's first year at IU as the talent challenged team got better throughout the season. I enjoyed most of the second season until the 12 of 13 stretch. Nobody enjoys losing 12 of 13 games. The team clearly had injury problems that were a big part of that, but also some serious chemistry issues. The positive aspect was that at the end of the season the team was playing well, like it at during the beginning of the season. I credit Miller with working through that stretch and getting the team back to playing well together. This season's team is not as strong at guard as we hoped and expected, but this team is easily top 25 with better shooting outside the post. Our biggest problem is that the 12 of 13 stretch of last year has everyone of us wondering if something like that is coming again. I don't believe it will and some of you do think it will. This is the primary difference between most of us. That, and your side has some of the most ridiculously stupid anti-IU trolls alive among you. I don't include you in that group. I'm sure you know who they are.
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When I say slam dunk I am talking about coaches who are established at a high level. Miller was not that. He was a mid major coach. A lot of us were wondering if he could do it at Indiana. I've got nothing against the guy but it's not like we could compare him to Billy Donovan who I wanted and guys like Coach K or Thad Matta.
That’s absurd. He’s making more than 3x what he did at Dayton. He didn’t have that bargaining power and he wasn’t dictating the terms. Or at least he shouldn’t have been.
