He's never been head coach at the P5 level, but he's been a roaring SUCCESS AT EVERY LEVEL he's coached. Reminds me a lot of Lance Liepold in that respect. I'd rather have a coach with a proven record of success at every level than some former P5 coach that's been fired somewhere else at sometime or an unproven assistant. And since he coached at Indiana University (Pennsylvania), it would be like a homecoming. jmusports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/curt-cignetti/2935
Cignetti - I would think this guy would be at the top of the list for every P5 team that needs a coach.
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He's 62 which may work out in our favor. He can come here and finish out his career. Would be similar to Dolsons basketball hire. An older coach at the end of his career.
Also key would be if he could bring his staff with him. We may not pay at the high end of P5 or B1G, but our payroll budget has to dwarf JM's. Double a proven staff's income across the board and keep it intact. Hit the ground running.
He's pretty close to the top of my list. If he was 52, he'd have gotten the A&M job. Indiana has to chose among the best of some flawed candidates and choosing someone who only have five years left is probably the best flaw to choose at this point.
Yeah, don't know much about the guy, but he sounds solid, and his record is good. If we hired Creighton I'd be underwhelmed, can''t see him being a program builder here. CIgnetti I'd be happy about. And I know nothing about any of the candidates lol.
A lot of these coaches don't retire at 65. It wouldn't surprise me if he coaches until 70.
i like cignetti a lot. don't f**k this up scotty
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Coach Cignetti is a fine coach but anyone who thinks a 62-year-old is going to be candidate for the opening at IU is not being realistic. Recruiting at IU is tough enough, but he would have an impossible task coming into a new program at this stage of his life. You can be sure that if Mr. Dolson has been doing his job, he has already reviewed candidates for the last few weeks and has it down to no more than 2-3.
Why would being 62 preclude him from being a successful recruiter?
Kids don't want to play for someone who could be their grandfather? I'm sure that's a concern some recruits have about Woodson as well.
Saban has a deal with the devil. I'm convinced. He looks 50.
IU has zero room to get hung up on age. If the guy can coach and recruit at a high level here then he could be 100 years old.
So you don't think if a kid is recruited by several schools he's not hearing a lot of "low energy" and "old thinking" types of warnings if one of the schools has a coach in his 60s or older? And they all just ignore that? And we're not getting Saban.
Some may not. Some may prefer a younger coach, especially at a program that is trying to rebuild. Successful older coaches tend to retire where they are.
Ok, if I'm thinking what appeals to the kids ...
I want a smart, energetic, youngish, African American, who's already winning somewhere as the head man.
But that's worth only a few points extra out of the 50 point checklist. 47 points are can he coach, can he organize a staff and team, can he recruit in the NIL landscape.
If it's an old white guy that garners the most points, so be it.
I want a smart, energetic, youngish, African American, who's already winning somewhere as the head man.
But that's worth only a few points extra out of the 50 point checklist. 47 points are can he coach, can he organize a staff and team, can he recruit in the NIL landscape.
If it's an old white guy that garners the most points, so be it.
You do understand that most times assistants are the lead recruiters, and the head coach is the closer. It does not appear that this has as much impact as you indicate.
Just as you were right about Hoeppner and Wilson, I think you very well may be right about this one.
Recruiting is recruiting. Its relative to who you're competing with. And he's obviously done a great job recruiting at JMU.
I would actually contend that recruiting at lower level FBS schools, like JMU is transitioning up to becoming, is probably more difficult than recruiting at a high major.
You're working to get FBS level players...but your budget and facilities are not competitive.
IU isn't OSU, or Michigan, or Penn State...but its sounding more and more like the new coach will have a very competitive budget...and while we all strive for better facilities, and we do need some things improved...IU's facilities are generally looked upon favorably against many of the rest of the schools in the conference...obviously not named OSU, Michigan, or PSU (and now maybe Northwestern).
Point is...its never been something that's held him up before. I don't know why we should assume it would now.
if you were his age and had one last run where woudl you rather coach IU or Duke?
That was my first thought was that Duke would make more sense for Cignetti, if they're looking at him too.
he was at elon too. might have an easier time recruiting that part of the country
Cignetti grew up in Pittsburgh and WV. He recently enthusiastically said that he'll coach until he's 75 and made it sound believable.
For folks that say he can't recruit at 62...he's landed more 5 stars than any recent IU coach. But he said is success in recruiting is because he looks at character...he looks at how many times a guy misses school, etc.
The guy's a winner and has an edge. Look at the job he did at Elon to understand his ability to change a culture.
I'm all in on Cignetti if he's interested in the job.
For folks that say he can't recruit at 62...he's landed more 5 stars than any recent IU coach. But he said is success in recruiting is because he looks at character...he looks at how many times a guy misses school, etc.
The guy's a winner and has an edge. Look at the job he did at Elon to understand his ability to change a culture.
I'm all in on Cignetti if he's interested in the job.
That's my concern. I forgot they lost their coach. Just our luck. It feels like we may end up with chryst as a concellation prize.
62 is probably tolerable if he's a good choice in other respects. But even if he's healthy, all kinds of stuff becomes more and more likely every year at that age. Heart attack, stroke, cancer, cognitive problems, overall energy level and stamina all go the wrong direction. There's a reason airline pilots have to retire at 65. A football coach doesn't have lives in his hands but he's a huge financial investment and you have to be coldly realistic about it.
Cignetti would run circles around most 40 year olds. The guy's intelligent, charismatic, and has a winner's edge. And being 62 gives him wisdom thru experience that younger men don't have.
Ever heard the story about the young bull and the old bull overlooking the field of cows? Young bull: "let's run down there and have our way with one of those cows". Old bull: "let's walk down and have our way with them all".
Man I hope Cignetti takes the job...he's the man.
The reason airline pilots retire at 65 is the FAA. Many, many still fly planes.
Interesting that 3 of his assistants have previously coached at IU (ours, not the “other one” in Pennsylvania)
Exactly. Kinda like selling. Makes no difference to good salesmen whether they're selling aircraft carriers or Kotex. They get re$ult$.
FWIW his DC played at Ball State and coached at IU, it appears
Cignetti excites me…. NONE at all.
He has clearly won big at low levels. All good. So WHY has he never jumped into P5 before - he’s been around and winning a long time. Why NOW?
It looks like he was an assistant for a long time before he decided to prove himself as a head coach. Being the WR coach/recruiting coordinator at Alabama was probably a nice paying and very safe job.
To be fair to Cignetti, he started in Division 2 at IUP before getting the opportunity in FCS with an Elon team that had won 7 games the previous three seasons. He ended up taking them to FCS playoffs in his two years there. Then he moved to JMU and lead them to the championship game and back to back semifinals then guided the program in the move to FBS of which he's shown he's still able to win. He wouldn't have had the opportunity to go to P5 from JMU in FCS and two seasons in a new G5 program proving himself makes sense he'd be in play for P5 jobs.
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