That's only proof that both sides of the aisle just want you and I to fight about nothing.
Regardless of who you voted for in November, how is THIS a good idea?
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Guys like DBM dont realize they are being used by the very deep state they claim to be against.
And yep. I'm all for cutting waste and finding fraud. I think if folks are found to have been purposely defrauding our country they should possibly face prison time. But I also don't want my kids special education IEP help to but cut by Indiana because "The department of Education is full of fraud!" makes for a cool headline.
But wasn't he a democrat donor and didn't he receive most of his government contracts from Democrats? Also pretty sure that he is not making final decisions that he is just making suggestions. He doesn't obviously have the authority.
The made in North America part was a change in the last few years. Another benefit to Mr Subsidy who is now looking at who receives subsidies.
This is correct. I haven't seen anything that constitutes fraud. Ridiculous and wasteful? Yes. Fraudulent? No.
More than anything, I'm intrigued by the freakout. I understand that they're trying to stir up political outrage. That's normal and to be expected. But people don't usually act the way they are when something is brought to light unless they really don't want it brought to light.
About 7 or 8 years ago, we put GPS trackers on all of our trucks (most of which are take-home trucks). I'd say that about 90% of our drivers shrugged their shoulders. But the other 10% didn't take kindly to it. A couple even quit -- saying that they were horrified we didn't trust them.
How else was I supposed to read their reactions?
As if on cue on the bipartisan thing. They've come across an entity that has Republican Senators as board members which received $130M. And this entity disbursed funds to other NGOs called the "International Organization for Migration" and the "Pan American Development Foundation."
Do I think this is anything fraudulent or corrupt? No, I don't. Is it good that we're getting some light shone on these expenditures? Yes, it is.
It’s bipartisan for sure. You have nailed it and that lady has put it out there for all to see.
People are screaming about Musk because the media and these politicians are getting really uncomfortable.
There has been enough exposed that Graham is done. Nancy Mace will primary him based on this information alone. Assuming they don’t place her name on one of these boards as well
A lot of people like to talk about Trump being a grifter, but at least his “grifts” require willing participants. DEI is the biggest grift of the American people in my lifetime, & quite possibly in the history of our country when it’s all said & done.
I believe strongly in the constitution and the balance of power. With that said I used to think the people were the wink link in this Democracy. However this past election proved they were the strongest link. They demanded change and got exactly what they asked for. Now my person lost this time and I need to figure out how best to understand my disconnect with the majority and that’s on me. Regardless the elected officials whether it’s the president or congress should still follow the law and not circumvent it. If the people choose to continue showing their strength they will kick out useless Senators and congressmen. I happen to think they prefer a balanced approach amongst the parties but I guess we will see. Long live the power of the people regardless of their political affiliation.
Well intentioned programs, that have been around for decades and are just now catchy easy to remember boogy men for you, are not the cause of fraud. Nor are they a grift.
Greedy people abusing loopholes in our systems are the cause and who need to be rooted out. Then close the loopholes.
If it's a subsidy, isn't that a part of a spending bill passed by Congress, that is public? I think Musk could find that info rather easily.
Eppy, cannot help but think you are a rare person, especially at The Cooler.
Say this because your candidate lost and you still have faith in We the People.
Also share your thoughts about a "balanced approach" which I'm interpreting as meaning elected people from both parties working together.
It just blows my mind that there are so many on the right without any concerns for how this is playing out with Musk. It isn't *what* he is doing, it's *how* he is doing it.
At what point did you decide that Elon musk has the best interest of the people of the United States in mind? What do you think his end game is here?
At what point did you decide that Elon musk has the best interest of the people of the United States in mind? What do you think his end game is here?
What I meant was in my adult lifetime (and I’m by no means a historian) I believe more often than not the people have preferred a government that doesn’t lean to far one way or the other and correct it as needed. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. So perhaps what we’re seeing now is a change from that philosophy, or a feeling of an abandonment by the Democratic Party or perhaps some other variables (cultural wars, immigration, etc).
What exactly is he doing?
FWIW, I personally don’t doubt Musk’s intentions. But I can understand why many people do. Everybody’s prerogative.
But it’s hard to have an informed take on how he’s doing what he’s doing without first having a firm grasp on what that is. And I can’t say that I do know what that is.
Gotta trust Musk more than any Inspector General.
Musk isn’t taking a salary and IG’s livelihoods depend on the organizations they provide oversight on sticking around and growing.
They have perverse incentives. Everyone in the Federal workforce does. Hence the outsider.
He’s one of the biggest hypocrites on this board. That should answer your question.
You trust Musk more than any IG because he isn't taking a salary? That's your qualifier?
So Elon is just doing this out of the kindness of his heart and for his undying love of the good ole USA?
Got it.
Unfortunately that comparison lines up better the more you think about it.
Interest. Ego. Doesn’t have to be kindness. Nor to enrich himself. He’ll already be a trillionaire someday. Let’s just be grateful he’s doing it
Believe me, I’m sure at some point one of Musk’s companies will get another large government contract and idiots like you will claim corruption.
It couldn’t possibly be because Starlink, Tesla and SpaceX are far and away the best and most cost effective in their respective industries.
No good deed goes unpunished, Coach. The Dream Team has been acutely aware of this for years.
I'd take more from the analogy if I was saying this 4 years from now. But we're discussing something that's been going on for like 3 days.
Best I can tell, they're just digesting all of the available data to create things like money flowcharts. It seems like the AI generation's version of "follow the money."
Here's an example that's been shared publicly...
Grateful he is helping Trump dismantle our govt? Grateful isn't anywhere near the list of words I would use.
It’s quite clear that he had a political awakening of sorts in the past four years.
It could have been buying Twitter and seeing the draconian censorship practices they were engaged in. Maybe it was the Biden administration using every lever at the governments disposal to hassle him and his companies. Maybe he was sick of anti-growth, anti- innovation mediocrities stifling America’s businesses. Perhaps it was the government locking everyone in their home and forcing needles in their arms for vaccines they lied about.
So yeah. I could see why he has plenty of motivation to help. There’s a lot that needs fixing and just changing the face at the top and a few cabinet appointments is not enough.
Would you like me to present you a list of all the companies in Germany that were part of the Nazi regime and in some way responsible for the Holocaust? It’s quite impressive and many are still leading companies today.
Let’s not judge a man’s character by the success of his companies.
He pumped $250M of his own money into getting Trump elected. He’s a smart businessman. He didn’t do that shit for nothing.
One that is legitimate sure.
Trump argued that Jack Smith couldn't prosecute him because he was just appointed by the doj without being confirmed (long standing tradition used by both parties). Now he is using president musk to "audit" the govt. The hypocrisy is palpable
Lmao.
Because Elon doesn't censor? Please. Twitter/x isn't a right. They can censor/delete/ban whoever and whatever they want. Elon just gave it a maga bias.
And musk isn't helping because he is a patriot.
I was thinking more like government contracts for missions to space, solar panel and electric charger projects, high speed internet in rural areas.
But sure. I suppose your fever dream of Elon’s final solution could happen as well
