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Regardless of who you voted for in November, how is THIS a good idea?

Well I know you aren't referring to Trump. Only thing that would make your post even more hilarious is if you mentioned having a moral compass.
I am referring to Trump. The Democrats will never understand the level of operations going on in government as I write this. You nominate a moron in the most undemocratic way in our history and you think racism and misogyny cost you the election. LOL

You can only think in terms of Trump Musk stealing democracy through fascist tactics. That’s not much of a response to what is happening. Everything the democrats threw at trump not only failed but strengthened him.

Maybe it’s time to understand Trump is a force unlike any before him. His opposition is left only standing on the sidelines scratching their butt.

 
Musk has no oversight. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Dangerous and fvcked up doesn’t begin to describe this situation.
All kinds of things Biden did that I though were insane but it was what it was. When you win elections you can do what you want.
 
I don't think Musk leaves much to chance and I think his motivations here aren't entirely cystalline in their purity.
Kinda disagree. He is a huge risk taker. Within that though, he is a meticulous planner.

Does that mean I dont think he can provide enormous value? No. But we should have guardrails. If you think he's going to forget what he learns in his post government life, wellllllll....i've got some land (bit swampy) to sell ya.
Great point. Musk absorbs knowledge and experiences like a sponge. He will no doubt learn a lot from his government experience.
 
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Presidents can’t log in and see this information either. Guaranteed. I was responsible for a major system with tons off sensitive personal information. The President certainly didn’t have an account. He has people for that. ;)

Besides, President Trump was unable to protect highly classified information. He can’t be trusted with this either.
My point is that he could. If he asked to have one, he would be legally entitled to have one. Just because no POTUS ever has or would doesn’t change that.

There’s virtually nothing within the executive branch that he couldn’t access. If there are such things, what are they?
 
My point is that he could. If he asked to have one, he would be legally entitled to have one. Just because no POTUS ever has or would doesn’t change that.

There’s virtually nothing within the executive branch that he couldn’t access. If there are such things, what are they?
Why does he need all your personal finance information? He doesn’t.
 
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I am referring to Trump. The Democrats will never understand the level of operations going on in government as I write this. You nominate a moron in the most undemocratic way in our history and you think racism and misogyny cost you the election. LOL

You can only think in terms of Trump Musk stealing democracy through fascist tactics. That’s not much of a response to what is happening. Everything the democrats threw at trump not only failed but strengthened him.

Maybe it’s time to understand Trump is a force unlike any before him. His opposition is left only standing on the sidelines scratching their butt.

If referring to Trump then that just says how clueless you are. Trump isn't much better than Biden in the functioning department and Trump combined that mental decline with absolutely no morals, which apparently isn't an issue with Republicans
 
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I guess we’ll find out…assuming he doesn’t get hit with an injunction.

The way people are freaking out by his having access to it raises my eyebrows a bit. And I honestly don’t think the ones freaking out are worried about people’s SSNs leaking out — at least the ones in the Beltway.

Here's a great example of my major problem with Musk. He blasts shit out like this, accusing Treasury officials of violating the law every day.....



Except for the fact that he's 100% wrong about what he's talking about. He references a US code about "vouchers" being certified. The Treasury Dept does not certify payments. Vouchers are created by disbursing offices all around the world. And they are certified by the disbursing officer responsible for that office.

The Treasury is just the bank account. But now all of Elonworld believes the govt just blasts out trillions in payments with zero controls. It's incredibly dishonest or just ignorant... One or the other.

One thing I do know, the entire point of all of his actions are to just rouse as much hatred for the Federal Govt as possible. Facts be damned.
 
If referring to Trump then that just says how clueless you are. Trump isn't much better than Biden in the functioning department and Trump combined that mental decline with absolutely no morals, which apparently isn't an issue with Republicans
This iteration of Dems doesn’t have morals. Lied nonstop. About very important things. Morals is out the window at this point
 
Musk has said for a long time that the EV subsidy should be done away with.
Only because Tesla no longer qualified, due to sales volume. Thus, the subsidy was helping only his competitors. It helps new guys get into the EV game, presumably to help innovation.

From the article:

Congress created a nonrefundable tax credit of up to $7,500 for eligible vehicles–a credit which (as modified in 2009) starts to phase out once a carmaker has sold 200,000 electric vehicles. After a manufacturer hits the initial cap, the credit gets slashed by 50% for half a year and then by 75% for another half a year, before disappearing entirely.

Tesla hit the total phase-out stage at the end of 2019 .
 
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Why does he need all your personal finance information? He doesn’t.
I’ve said all along he doesn’t. Read my posts above on this - including a couple responses to @mrhighlife.

I’m fine with excluding all that info.

However, I’d still argue that POTUS could legally access anything within the executive branch’s possession, if he were so inclined. Whether or not he has the power to confer that access to Musk, I don’t know.

I would assume there are non-confirmed personnel at Treasury who already do have access to it.
 
My point is that he could. If he asked to have one, he would be legally entitled to have one. Just because no POTUS ever has or would doesn’t change that.

There’s virtually nothing within the executive branch that he couldn’t access. If there are such things, what are they?
Aside from classification for national security, which is entirely within the purview of the Oval Office, Congress does still have the power to dictate laws that the Executive is subject to. So, for example, although I have no idea what they are, I imagine Congress has already passed laws regarding the protection of personal information stored on government systems, and not even POTUS has the authority to simply ignore those laws. So if, for example, the law says that no one is allowed to log in and look up your SSN, then anyone who does, even Trump, would be violating the law.

Of course, Trump likely couldn't ever be prosecuted for it, so on a personal level for the President, it's sort of academic. But you can be sure the gofer he sent to actually physically get the info would be on the hook, and would end up the fall guy.
 
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Here's a great example of my major problem with Musk. He blasts shit out like this, accusing Treasury officials of violating the law every day.....



Except for the fact that he's 100% wrong about what he's talking about. He references a US code about "vouchers" being certified. The Treasury Dept does not certify payments. Vouchers are created by disbursing offices all around the world. And they are certified by the disbursing officer responsible for that office.

The Treasury is just the bank account. But now all of Elonworld believes the govt just blasts out trillions in payments with zero controls. It's incredibly dishonest or just ignorant... One or the other.

One thing I do know, the entire point of all of his actions are to just rouse as much hatred for the Federal Govt as possible. Facts be damned.

Well, I’m not in need of any such arousal.

I just want to see their costs pared. And, to that end, if this effort helps do that, it’s fine by me.

It wouldn’t hurt, also, for this information to be made public…like PPP loans were. I don’t have an issue with government payments in general being public record…so long as they aren’t properly classified.
 
Like these people? They really helped them for 5 years. NOT!

Involvement in Peru's forced sterilizations​

Main article: Forced sterilization in Peru § USAID
During the 1990s, USAID was implicated in the forced sterilization of approximately 300,000 indigenous women in Peru as part of the country's Plan Verde. Population control guidelines promoted by international bodies, including USAID, the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) and the Nippon Foundation, supported the Fujimori government's sterilization efforts.[211][212] Investigations by Peru's congressional subcommittee found a causal correlation between increased USAID funding and the number of sterilizations performed.[212] These sterilizations were part of a global strategy by the United States government to reduce birth rates in developing countries for political and economic stability.[212]

Documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act revealed that USAID effectively took control of Peru's national health system from 1993 to 1998, during the period of forced sterilizations. It was concluded that it would be virtually inconceivable for these sterilization abuses to have occurred systematically without the knowledge of USAID administrators in Peru and Washington.[211][212]

Under pressure from investigations by the Population Research Institute, USAID ceased funding for sterilizations in Peru in 1998. The forced sterilizations continued until President Fujimori fled to Japan in 2000.[213] The policy resulted in a generational shift, creating a smaller younger generation unable to provide economic stimulation to rural areas, thus increasing poverty in those regions.[213]
I'm not defending that, but I also don't see your point. This funding stopped in 1998.
 
Well, I’m not in need of any such arousal.

I just want to see their costs pared. And, to that end, if this effort helps do that, it’s fine by me.

It wouldn’t hurt, also, for this information to be made public…like PPP loans were. I don’t have an issue with government payments in general being public record…so long as they aren’t properly classified.

I don't know about each individual payment, that's probably overkill...., but pretty sure every government award, contract, grant, etc.... Is publicly published with the name of recipient and total amount of award... Within a few days of it being awarded.
 
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I don't know about each individual payment, that's probably overkill...., but pretty sure every government award, contract, grant, etc.... Is publicly published with the name of recipient and total amount of award... Within a few days of it being awarded.
Why is it overkill? If it’s taxpayer funds, it’s taxpayer funds.
 
Only because Tesla no longer qualified, due to sales volume. Thus, the subsidy was helping only his competitors. It helps new guys get into the EV game, presumably to help innovation.

From the article:

Congress created a nonrefundable tax credit of up to $7,500 for eligible vehicles–a credit which (as modified in 2009) starts to phase out once a carmaker has sold 200,000 electric vehicles. After a manufacturer hits the initial cap, the credit gets slashed by 50% for half a year and then by 75% for another half a year, before disappearing entirely.

Tesla hit the total phase-out stage at the end of 2019 .
Subsidies lower risks which stifles innovation.
 
Massive exaggeration unless you mistook Trump as a dem.

There is nothing on the dem side remotely comparable to the current liar n chief
You’re showing your bias. We don’t even know who was running the country during Biden’s tenure. Lied about Biden’s condition. Over and over again. So long they effectively disenfranchised joe public voter by coronating Harris. Biden lied repeatedly about inflation. Harris and Biden lied about the border. Lied about abortion. There isn’t an issue the Dems didn’t lie through their teeth about. From the smallest with all that goofy waltz’s to the very most pressing and important to the public. Open your eyes. This entire batch of politicians the last 8 years has been awful
 
You’re showing your bias. We don’t even know who was running the country during Biden’s tenure. Lied about Biden’s condition. Over and over again. So long they effectively disenfranchised joe public voter by coronating Harris. Biden lied repeatedly about inflation. Harris and Biden lied about the border. Lied about abortion. There isn’t an issue the Dems didn’t lie through their teeth about. From the smallest with all that goofy waltz’s to the very most pressing and important to the public. Open your eyes. This entire batch of politicians the last 8 years has been awful
And you are showing your bias. You think they are being honest about Trump's condition? That guy can't navigate a ramp or drink from a cup with 1 hand.

Trump lied about the bipartisan immigration bill, he lied about his knowledge of project 2025, lied about colluding with Russia, lied about the election, lied about attendance of every rally or most of them, and that is just the start. Anything he says about Dems is most likely a lie.

And you can't claim lying just because it is a policy you disagree with.

Obama was good, Biden's biggest issue was his age and Trump is a whole different level of awful. And he isn't much younger than Biden.
 
Americans voted to get rid of this crap. Thank goodness they’re putting the will of the people into action.
And you are showing your bias. You think they are being honest about Trump's condition? That guy can't navigate a ramp or drink from a cup with 1 hand.

Trump lied about the bipartisan immigration bill, he lied about his knowledge of project 2025, lied about colluding with Russia, lied about the election, lied about attendance of every rally or most of them, and that is just the start. Anything he says about Dems is most likely a lie.

And you can't claim lying just because it is a policy you disagree with.

Obama was good, Biden's biggest issue was his age and Trump is a whole different level of awful. And he isn't much younger than Biden.
Turn off Rachel maddow. She’s lying to you. Trump speaks nonstop. Biden was sequestered. Prescreened questions then the biden shuffle out the door. He was mushy peas.

Has nothing to do with policy. They were actual lies. About Biden’s condition. That there weren’t criminals coming through. Biden lied repeatedly about the actual inflation rate. Harris repeatedly stated trump wants a national abortion ban. Her incessantly lying ass got fact checked over and over to no avail.

The border bill was dogshit. It codified ridiculous numbers only for mushy peas to say he can close the border himself.

Both sides lie. Nonstop.

Delete all your news sources. You’re being worked with one way traffic
 
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And you are showing your bias. You think they are being honest about Trump's condition? That guy can't navigate a ramp or drink from a cup with 1 hand.

Trump lied about the bipartisan immigration bill, he lied about his knowledge of project 2025, lied about colluding with Russia, lied about the election, lied about attendance of every rally or most of them, and that is just the start. Anything he says about Dems is most likely a lie.

And you can't claim lying just because it is a policy you disagree with.

Obama was good, Biden's biggest issue was his age and Trump is a whole different level of awful. And he isn't much younger than Biden.
Can’t we all admit that the “bi-partisan border bill” was a load of crap?

Trump is showing in real time how a President with a focus on the border can drop illegal entries to relative nothing.

So you were being a sold a bill of goods, when the talking heads lied to you that sweeping legislation was needed to fix the border.
 
Repetitive information. The contract award tells you where it's going and how much the ceiling is. I could also likely see issues with proprietary data that could be used by competing firms if too much granularity was public.

I can't imagine one of these payment records would include that level of detail. But, even if they do, it seems like something pretty easy to have excluded. Let a payee request to have such information redacted and empower some people to grant or deny their request.

That said, sunlight is the best disinfectant. I'm pretty much always in favor of more information rather than less when it comes to the activities of government. Obviously, there are going to be some payments that are, and should be, legitimately classified. And that ought to be easy, since there's already a system set up for that.

Other than that, I haven't seen a good argument to keep any of this info under wraps.
 
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Can’t we all admit that the “bi-partisan border bill” was a load of crap?

Trump is showing in real time how a President with a focus on the border can drop illegal entries to relative nothing.

So you were being a sold a bill of goods, when the talking heads lied to you that sweeping legislation was needed to fix the border.

This isn't very difficult to understand: establishment Washington doesn't want the border secured. It never has.

That's been the view of virtually all Democrats and enough Republicans to constitute a consistent majority view on Capitol Hill...for a long time. Bush didn't want it secured -- neither did McCain, Romney, Jeb Bush, etal. This issue has divided Republican elites like nothing before -- and the OG crowd has been so steadfast on it that they'd even risk opening the door to a demagogue like Trump rather than come off of that. But there isn't much division among Republican voters on the issue. In fact, even Democratic voters want the border secured.

So it should've come as a surprise to nobody that the Lankford bill came to be. Nor should it have surprised anybody that it was constructed the way that it was. In typical Orwellian fashion, they called it a "border security" bill...despite it literally having a daily tolerance of 5k encounters between ports of entry. Yes, it was bipartisan -- because it had the buy-in of the wing of the GOP described above.

They don't want a secured border. If they did, they could've and would've acted a long time ago.
 
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It's comical that you're convinced Musk has your interests in mind.
He also thinks Trump is a functioning adult. Maybe c.o. is auditioning for comedy central
This thread isn’t about me.

Trump and his administration is solving problems and swaying opinion like he’s driving by you in a
Ferrari and you are sitting in your Yugo picking your nose saying WTF?

This stealing democracy, Musk is in it for himself, and Trump is senile schtick is useless, but it is all you got these days.
 
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This isn't very difficult to understand: establishment Washington doesn't want the border secured. It never has.

That's been the view of virtually all Democrats and enough Republicans to constitute a consistent majority view on Capitol Hill...for a long time. Bush didn't want it secured -- neither did McCain, Romney, Jeb Bush, etal. This issue has divided Republican elites like nothing before -- and the OG crowd has been so steadfast on it that they'd even risk opening the door to a demagogue like Trump rather than come off of that. But there isn't much division among Republican voters on the issue. In fact, even Democratic voters want the border secured.

So it should've come as a surprise to nobody that the Lankford bill came to be. Nor should it have surprised anybody that it was constructed the way that it was. In typical Orwellian fashion, they called it a "border security" bill...despite it literally having a daily tolerance of 5k encounters between ports of entry. Yes, it was bipartisan -- because it had the buy-in of the wing of the GOP described above.

They don't want a secured border. If they did, they could've and would've acted a long time ago.
Spot on
 
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I don't know about each individual payment, that's probably overkill...., but pretty sure every government award, contract, grant, etc.... Is publicly published with the name of recipient and total amount of award... Within a few days of it being awarded.
Probably can. But how many thousands of files would you need to access to look for payments. That would take forever and would not yield information in a meaningful manner.

Looking at the meta payment data and washing it through some algorithms is a great idea. I don’t know if they can see my SS number or not, but I’m pretty sure that kind of data is of no interest. Besides the NSA has it and more anyway.
 
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