And yet, you don't have even the message board balls to stand by that statement.
Projecting Trump Victory
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Regulations are there for a reason, especially the ones that protect the environment and our health. I care a lot more about those things than how many yachts business owners can afford 
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Thanks for the never ending laughs.
Wars make dollars.
Oblameo murdered American citizens, using our military as his personal assassins.
The military-industrial oligarchy loves Oblameo.
Trumpthongs were dancing in the streets in 2016 because they felt like winners for the first time in their lives. Their financial picture wasn’t going to change. If anything Trump’s a net loss for them after wasting so much money on Trump paraphernalia. Just like idiots spending $1000+ on their weekend outing to sit in lousy seats watching NFL games after their tailgate.
Nah, the Trump umbrella is only partly about money.
it’s the Ds who have to focus on jobs to take back the white male non-college voters. The Rs gambit is immigration. (As if immigrants are lowering wages...)
Why? People who actually attend political rallies are a DISTINCT MINORITY. In the case of Trump, many of them TRAVEL AROUND and aren't even a part of the local landscape at the particular rally they attend.
There is significant polling to show that Trump's "rallies" hurt him with locals who saw an increased risk of spreading COVID from people coming in from out of town or out of state to attend a superspreader event in their town. And some of that backlash is borne out in voting statistics in key states where Trump campaigned heavily in person and his share of the vote decreased over what he got in some of those places in the 2016 election...
"As the 2020 campaign wound down, President Donald Trump held rallies across the country to fire up his supporters and get them out to vote. Many saw the rallies as a sign of big enthusiasm for Trump, but the data suggest the visits did not produce the desired impact for the president.
Comparing Trump campaign stops over the last two weeks of the race to election results shows that in the overwhelming majority of cases, Trump underperformed his 2016 margins in the counties he visited, in some cases by large amounts.
There were 30 Trump campaign stops in that period, according to an NBC News tally, in states from Arizona to Nebraska to Pennsylvania. In five counties that Trump visited he saw better results than he did in 2016, but in the remaining 25 his margins of victory got smaller, his margin of defeat grew or the county flipped Democratic."
Crowd sizes are often held out as a way to gauge support for a politician, and sometimes they are. But during a pandemic, with a polarizing candidate on the stump, it’s possible the meaning of the rallies were misread. While the crowds were visible sign of enthusiasm for Trump, there were much bigger, and less visible, groups of people who were not at the rallies and who may have seen them in a negative light.
A look at some crucial states that were the sites of several rallies offers some evidence for an invisible, negative impact for the president.
In Michigan, Trump held five events in the last two weeks of the campaign and in every one of those counties, his 2020 margins were worse than they were in 2016. Some notable examples are below.
On Oct. 27, Trump held a rally in Ingham County, the home of Lansing, and in the election results he did 5.5 percentage points worse than he did in 2016 as Joe Biden beat him there by more than 32 points. On Oct. 30, Trump held an event in Oakland County north of Detroit. He lost Oakland by 14 points this year — 6 points worse than he did in 2016. And on Nov. 2, Trump held a rally in Grand Traverse County in the northern reaches of the state. Trump still won the county, but by only 3 points, which was 9 points less than his margin in 2016.
The pattern was similar in Pennsylvania. Trump held seven events in the state in the last two weeks of the campaign and in every county Trump visited he did slightly worse than he did in 2016.
Trump visited Erie, the ultimate swing county in the state, on Oct. 20 and in the end the county narrowly flipped to Joe Biden by a single point after narrowly backing Trump in 2016. The president visited Lancaster County on Oct. 26 and he still won it by about 16 points, but that was 3 points less than he won it by in 2016. And on Nov. 2, Trump visited Scranton, in Lackawanna County, but when the votes were tallied he lost the county by more than 8 points, roughly 5 points worse than his loss there in 2016.
There were a few bright spots on the Trump campaign tour, particularly in Florida, one of the battlegrounds he carried in 2020. Trump visited the state four times in the last two weeks of the campaign, and while he didn’t improve in most of the places he visited, his numbers got a lot better in Miami-Dade."
Trump rallies: Help or hurt?
Many saw the rallies as a sign of big enthusiasm for Trump, but the data suggest the visits did not produce the desired impact for the president.
Notice how Trump rallies helped him in counties like Miami Dade, where a massive effort to ingratiate him among anti-Castro Cubans had been ongoing for nearly 4 yrs,and efforts to paint Biden as a "Socialist" largely went unchallenged. But in states where Biden concentrated his personal efforts in the last 2 weeks and made COVID protocol safe appearances (largely drive in rallies) in contrast to Trump's raucous rallies, Trump seemed to inspire as many people to vote against him as for him.
That was the story of the 2018 midterms as well, particularly in the states of MI, WI, and PA which Trump won in 2016 and which all turned Blue in 2018 and again in 2020...In 2016 the candidates in swing districts in those states who had narrowly won largely as a possible counter to Clinton's presumed win, all lost if Trump came to their state and held large rallies which tied them to him 2 yrs later in the 2018 midterms...
That smell you mentioned is Trump. And for 80 Million of us, he indeed does NOT pass the smell test...
and maybe because Trump bussed people to the rally, then left them stranded there, often at night.Why? People who actually attend political rallies are a DISTINCT MINORITY. In the case of Trump, many of them TRAVEL AROUND and aren't even a part of the local landscape at the particular rally they attend.
There is significant polling to show that Trump's "rallies" hurt him with locals who saw an increased risk of spreading COVID from people coming in from out of town or out of state to attend a superspreader event in their town. And some of that backlash is borne out in voting statistics in key states where Trump campaigned heavily in person and his share of the vote decreased over what he got in some of those places in the 2016 election...
"As the 2020 campaign wound down, President Donald Trump held rallies across the country to fire up his supporters and get them out to vote. Many saw the rallies as a sign of big enthusiasm for Trump, but the data suggest the visits did not produce the desired impact for the president.
Comparing Trump campaign stops over the last two weeks of the race to election results shows that in the overwhelming majority of cases, Trump underperformed his 2016 margins in the counties he visited, in some cases by large amounts.
There were 30 Trump campaign stops in that period, according to an NBC News tally, in states from Arizona to Nebraska to Pennsylvania. In five counties that Trump visited he saw better results than he did in 2016, but in the remaining 25 his margins of victory got smaller, his margin of defeat grew or the county flipped Democratic."
Crowd sizes are often held out as a way to gauge support for a politician, and sometimes they are. But during a pandemic, with a polarizing candidate on the stump, it’s possible the meaning of the rallies were misread. While the crowds were visible sign of enthusiasm for Trump, there were much bigger, and less visible, groups of people who were not at the rallies and who may have seen them in a negative light.
A look at some crucial states that were the sites of several rallies offers some evidence for an invisible, negative impact for the president.
In Michigan, Trump held five events in the last two weeks of the campaign and in every one of those counties, his 2020 margins were worse than they were in 2016. Some notable examples are below.
On Oct. 27, Trump held a rally in Ingham County, the home of Lansing, and in the election results he did 5.5 percentage points worse than he did in 2016 as Joe Biden beat him there by more than 32 points. On Oct. 30, Trump held an event in Oakland County north of Detroit. He lost Oakland by 14 points this year — 6 points worse than he did in 2016. And on Nov. 2, Trump held a rally in Grand Traverse County in the northern reaches of the state. Trump still won the county, but by only 3 points, which was 9 points less than his margin in 2016.
The pattern was similar in Pennsylvania. Trump held seven events in the state in the last two weeks of the campaign and in every county Trump visited he did slightly worse than he did in 2016.
Trump visited Erie, the ultimate swing county in the state, on Oct. 20 and in the end the county narrowly flipped to Joe Biden by a single point after narrowly backing Trump in 2016. The president visited Lancaster County on Oct. 26 and he still won it by about 16 points, but that was 3 points less than he won it by in 2016. And on Nov. 2, Trump visited Scranton, in Lackawanna County, but when the votes were tallied he lost the county by more than 8 points, roughly 5 points worse than his loss there in 2016.
There were a few bright spots on the Trump campaign tour, particularly in Florida, one of the battlegrounds he carried in 2020. Trump visited the state four times in the last two weeks of the campaign, and while he didn’t improve in most of the places he visited, his numbers got a lot better in Miami-Dade."
Trump rallies: Help or hurt?
Many saw the rallies as a sign of big enthusiasm for Trump, but the data suggest the visits did not produce the desired impact for the president.www.yahoo.com
Notice how Trump rallies helped him in counties like Miami Dade, where a massive effort to ingratiate him among anti-Castro Cubans had been ongoing for nearly 4 yrs,and efforts to paint Biden as a "Socialist" largely went unchallenged. But in states where Biden concentrated his personal efforts in the last 2 weeks and made COVID protocol safe appearances (largely drive in rallies) in contrast to Trump's raucous rallies, Trump seemed to inspire as many people to vote against him as for him.
That was the story of the 2018 midterms as well, particularly in the states of MI, WI, and PA which Trump won in 2016 and which all turned Blue in 2018 and again in 2020...In 2016 the candidates in swing districts in those states who had narrowly won largely as a possible counter to Clinton's presumed win, all lost if Trump came to their state and held large rallies which tied them to him 2 yrs later in the 2018 midterms...
That smell you mentioned is Trump. And for 80 Million of us, he indeed does NOT pass the smell test...
"What happened is that the big money, left wing media told the masses that Trump was racist, Trump was a bully, Trump was crass, Trump wasn't "presidential" and on and on it went."
Actually what happened is that thru words and actions TRUMP told the masses that he was racist, a bully, crass, and NOT Presidential. Since Trumpers do NOT believe the "evil media", it's hard to argue that those folks were dissuaded by the media they don't listen to or believe.
Starting with his absurd whining/lying about crowd size at his Inauguration Trump started his reign with OBVIOUS LIES and absurd whining. When he tried to claim that there were somehow "good people" at a rally organized and supported by Racists and Fascists where a local citizen was deliberately killed, that told educated people one of two things. Either Trump supported the fringe elements who advocate violence and felt emboldened by his election, or he completely misunderstood the level of threat they presented or the vileness they represented.
Here's a time saver for you, even though I enjoy reading your posts:
td75's answer to your question posed in the first word of your post can be summed up as follows
"Feelz!!!"
You read cosmic’s posts? Are you unemployed/retired?
The Trump argument is about as strong as saying that IU's basketball team really did beat Texas on Tuesday, it's just that all of the points were not counted. 66-44; 306-232...
Well, he definitely lost the CD in NE which is part of the Omaha area, where the first crowd strand occurred. That was basically a desperate attempt that turned into a disaster...
It still doesn't explain the support from the middle class and working class. They continue to vote against their own self interest.
Well if it's any consolation to you, with my elementary typing skills and grammatical/spelling challenges the average reader with a basic high school level of reading speed can read thru one of my posts in less than half of the time it takes me to compose and post it...
So I guess I'm the one with excess time on my hands and nothing more urgent to do...
lots of people read your posts so keeping doing you cosmic. i didn't mean to offend. i read the board between emails, phone calls, and shit breaks. anything too long i don't read, including articles/attachments.
Factors for some, I'm sure. But if "pocketbook issues" are what it's all about (as we're constantly told), there's still a huge disconnect. I think it's a more a class/culture divide, at least with whites.
For whatever reason, undereducated working class and lower middle class whites have bought the Republican line on taxes, fiscal responsibilty, regulation, immigration, etc., even though they don't benefit from the Republican enactments that arise from those policy positions. It can't actually be that they benefit in their "pocketbooks", so it has to be something else. Class/culture is the only alternative explanation that makes sense to me.
okay i see. and i agree they vote against their economic interest. i think it's because they buy into the rhetoric and lack (offensive i know) a better understanding of economics to understand that they're voting against hteir economic interest. i think they buy into certain rhetoric: they are antiestablishment (the swamp) and they subscribe to the belief that if they work hard they will get ahead and correct or not they perceive that to better aligned with republican policies/beliefs
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