A majority of Americans want it too, based on the polls we were seeing in September.
MAGA victory thread
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I think they should show proof of employment or familial relation to hear of household, go through the naturalization process and pay a fine to get citizenship.
Or volunteer for military service.
Woke hasn't ended, mcmurtry. It's still alive and well in public schools across the nation.
I predict the It isn't in schools thread will outlive all of us. The mind virus is real and ain't going away. But maybe a Republican sweep can use that to attach fed funds to proof you're not pushing that ideology in schools?
My cynical side, though, is screaming that Rs don't want that. I think this is what is going to drive the R's to win for quite a while, and what glossed over all of Trump's faults in this election.
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What is that big wooden looking structure in front of the White House?
HOLY Crap, it's only the morning after and Trump is already building a top golf on the White House lawn. He's SO gonna roll it hard this time!
HOLY Crap, it's only the morning after and Trump is already building a top golf on the White House lawn. He's SO gonna roll it hard this time!
Fetterman, for everything people think about him, had a pretty good take on Rogan about immigration.
He said the best plan for immigration is one that can be passed through both the house and senate.
That answer is as non-partisan as it comes. It was actually a breath of fresh air to hear.
He’s way too left for me but this post stroke Fetterman is hard not to like. It’s like he lost his filter
Some of the questions he was asked were fair and I didn't like that he basically skated around them, but a lot of things, he just makes common sense on.
He's definitely not squad material.
I haven't heard about the House majority. I think I'd last heard that it's very close -- but that Dems are expected to take the gavel. And I think that's a good thing. I said I was hoping for gridlock....and given that I still want good judges going on the bench, this kind of gridlock (with the Dems having the House and the GOP having the Senate) is the best outcome for me.
The problem with refusing to take reasonable measures to remedy a problem is that it often opens a path to -- or even necessitates -- taking radical measures.
I've griped for a long time about the failure of the Gang of 8 bill in 2013. You know what killed that bipartisan bill? Border triggers. In other words, that the border had to be secured first before any of the bill's provisions regarding immigrants who are already here could take effect.
Marco Rubio pledged going into it that these had to be in the bill. But he got steamrolled by the other 7. They wouldn't include them -- so they passed the bill without them. Sen. Cornyn made a last ditch effort to get them amended back in. But....nope. And Rubio, stupidly, voted for it anyway. And the bill died in the House because it lacked the one thing immigration hawks had asked for.
Had that bill become law, with the triggers in place, it's conceivable that there's no Donald Trump in 2016. Because he has flogged the hell out of the insecurity of the border. And people have been demanding something be done about it for decades. But the arrogant political establishment (both D and R) has steadfastly refused to do much about it.
So, Ohio, I would implore you to NOT be surprised that people voted for mass deportations. There's a history here. We didn't get here overnight. And the single biggest reason we got here is because the people who call the shots in this country have refused to do anything about the border.
OK, but what is "something"??
Dems worked with Sen. Lankford to put together a bipartisan bill in the Senate, right? And guess what....it allowed for up to 5000 encounters a day before it required "emergency measures" to shut down the border.
Oh, really? So, if it's possible to shut down the border once 5000 migrants have gotten across, why isn't it possible to just have those measures in place all the time? Can anybody answer that question?
The real answer, IMO, is this: they don't want to shut it down. But they also don't want to tell us they don't want to shut it down. That's why they come up with bills like that one and say "See....we're for securing the border!"
All the more reason the normal, responsible politicians should be absolutely roasted for failing to do it themselves. Right?
If you don't want Trump, then take care of the things he's used to gain political power. It's not rocket science.
The loss all goes back to the Dems' obsession with race. She was a DEI hire. No one liked her or thought her competent, but when the coup came they couldn't get rid of her and have a fair process. Pretty damn ironic. The Dems were hoisted on their own petard.
Yes, that was a very sobering poll. Because it's obviously the case that mass deportations are a bad idea.
Forget for a minute the humanitarian aspect of it. I can understand the argument that people who are violating our laws shouldn't expect to just keep violating them without repercussions. Not only do I understand that, I agree with it. It's not something we would tolerate in any other context of American life.
But whatever such a policy would mean for the affected migrants themselves, it would be bad for all the rest of us economically. More than most people might realize, IMO.
But nobody should be surprised that we've gotten to a place where a majority of Americans would be fine with mass deportations. This wasn't some kind of cosmic accident. It didn't just materialize out of nowhere.
We've had problems with immigration and the border for many decades. And the people we've elected to lead our country, make our laws, etc. have been utterly derelict in addressing it in a satisfactory way. More fault belongs at their feet than anybody else's that we are at this juncture.
It's like somebody ignoring a leaky pipe in their house for years and then waking up one day to find all kinds of mold, rot, structural damage, foundational damage, etc.
Anybody who is looking to politicians and government to "improve their lives" is going to die still waiting for satisfaction. And I don't care if it's Trump, Harris, Obama, Reagan, Bernie Sanders, LBJ, or FDR. Whoever.
If somebody wants a better life for themselves, the primary responsibility for that falls on their own shoulders. Politicians simply want your vote -- and it's for their benefit, not yours or mine.
Thomas Sowell has a lot of outstanding quotes. But one of his better ones is:
Yes, Donald Trump is a snake oil salesman -- selling false hopes of various kinds to people to get their vote. But I have to ask: how does that distinguish him from the politicians you support?
This sounds like a reasonable proposition. But the border security has to come first. They should just reconsider the HR2 bill that the House passed last year. I've seen the bullet points. It's a pretty good bill. And they can add some of the measures from the Lankford bill, too.
But none of the "can we at least have 5000 a day?" stuff. That needs to go. It's Orwellian to put something like that in legislation and call it a "border security bill." It's like saying: I have a burglar alarm, deadbolts, and CCTV at my house...but they only start working for the second time each month my house is broken into. We'll give the burglars once a month without that stuff.
First thing Servicemaster did when my basement flooded was pump out the excess water, after the flood source was secured.
Exactly. You have to take care of the source of the problem first. Only then does it make any sense to deal with its effects.
There is no way that 20 million people (or anything approaching that) will be deported. The staffing and $$$ required would be off the charts.
Maybe he'll get Mexico to pay for it.
Could you explain a little further on some of that? It looks like we had more illegal immigrants come in over the last 4 years than previously--amounting to about 5-10 million more illegal immigrants in the country than in 2019. The economy was doing fine then. What has changed in the last 5 years that would make sending a number like that back to their home countries a hit on the economy?
At the risk of sounding impolitic, the jobs these people are filling, at the wage rates they're being paid to fill them, will either go unfilled or filled at a higher wage rate if they're no longer able to fill it.
Would there be a benefit to higher wages for whoever steps in to replace them? Yes. Would there be cost? Also yes. The benefits of this would mostly redound to the higher-paid employee. The costs would mostly redound to any of us involved in consuming the products at the end of whatever supply chains their labor services.
To be fair, 99 percent of people, including me, were wrong about this election.
DBM was the only voice in the wilderness calling for this kind of landslide.
And it is shocking. A clean mandate for President Donald John TRUMP.
I sure as hell didn’t see that coming.
Nobody ever wants to admit it. But the truth is that those of us who don't work in low-paying, unskilled jobs benefit greatly from those jobs being low-paying....whether they're performed here or in some foreign land.
It's the elephant in the room about both immigration and foreign trade.
I honestly thought I'd get a lot more feedback and discussion on my advocating for the declassification of anything the feds have on Raymond Epps.
Also, regarding Epstein...do you think it's beyond the realm of possibility that there's something in those files that a certain president-elect might not want out in the public ether?
So what percentage of the illegal immigrant population do you believe is employed?
I'm just going off of my neck of the woods, but I've never seen so many Hispanic panhandlers and homeless people in my life in Chicago as I have over the last 2 or 3 years.
Me neither. I'm 0-3 this year on all things presidential--thought Biden had survived his debate performance after he made it a week past, thought Harris would pull out a squeaker in the EC, and thought it preposterous that Trump could win the popular vote.
Woo, momma, I was wrong.
I was wrong too. THE PROBLEM CHILD only becomes that much more important
JFC, the solution to illegal immigration is obvious. Jail the people who hire them. Problem solved in a week.
That is a very good question. And I don't have an answer for you.
But I would say that my impression of whatever Trump has in mind when he says "mass deportations" doesn't discriminate between people who are working and people who are not. And I'm sure that quite a lot of them are working whenever and wherever they can.
And my general experience (which is probably way different than yours in a major urban area) is that Hispanic migrants by and large work their asses off. In fact, it's funny you mention panhandlers because I've been known to say "You won't ever see a Hispanic panhandler." I wasn't being literal when I said that. It was just a clever way to say that those folks seem to have great work ethics.
Like a said to a friend recently, when’s the last time you saw a white guy on a roof.
Why would they have any classified file on Ray Epps? The idea that he was a CI or a Fed is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories that has ever existed.
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I am not a Trump fan but I won't speculate on that.
If he releases Epps files he can release Epstein files.
However, I would begin to wonder if Epps shit was opened up but not Epstein.
This checks.
Mexican Class C multifamily communities (in Texas) are fairly tight knit, mostly illegals, and they try to run a tight ship. Criminals are often turned in. They leave if they can't pay, with minimal damage. They want to earn, and stay off the radar. They completely defer to "Americans" and are largely happy just to be here.
Illegals from other countries may be different.
I don't think they are disproportionately lazy, I just think it's difficult for them to get jobs in my area and I'm not sure what their incentive is to move elsewhere since Chicago and Illinois subsidize their housing, clothes, food, etc.
Yes, there's a tradeoff. But given the increasing divergence between rich & poor wouldn't higher wages for physical unskilled labor be a good thing? Natives used to work as roofers.
Just the sheer cost of rounding up and deporting 10M people will be the biggest explosion of the national debt in history, and it won't be close.
Thank you....finally somebody has chimed in. I figured you might be the one to do it!
OK, so if you're right (and you might be), then any order Trump issues to declassify any files the FBI (or any other agency) has on Ray Epps would be a moot order. Because, as you say, they have no such file. Order made, nothing comes back.
Doing this would conclusively prove what you're saying. And it would make fools of all the people who have insisted that he was working for the FBI.
But....what if you're not right? And I think you need to consider the possibility that you aren't.
I'm not saying Epps was a plant or CI of some kind. I honestly don't know. I know he denies it. I know the Feds deny it. But none of that conclusively proves anything. Neither does the fact that he was eventually charged with a crime.
I think it would be a healthy exercise for the country for Trump to do this. And it would give you a great opportunity to dunk on all the people here who have sworn that he was a plant.
If it's a dumb conspiracy theory, what would be the problem with proving that it's a dumb conspiracy theory?
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