Chicago Fine, how did you feel about our military response to 9/11 when we sent our military might into Iraq and Afghanistan ?
Just curious.
By the way, where were you and how old were you on 9/11 ?
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Chicago Fine, how did you feel about our military response to 9/11 when we sent our military might into Iraq and Afghanistan ?
Just curious.
By the way, where were you and how old were you on 9/11 ?
I was in 2nd grade on 9/11, my mom was doing school drop offs for the three of us when we first heard over the radio.
I fully supported the invasion of Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq.
That’s about what I think of adults who supported it at the time and those who still do. They have the emotional maturity and foresight of a second grader.
On both Iraq and Afghanistan?
Clearly Iraq was wrong. I don't see options to Afghan, do we really let a nation harbor someone who staged a major attack on our soil?
Now invading, overthrowing, leaving should have been an option.
Finally faced with hard questions on border, Harris has no answers - Washington Examiner
Kamala Harris finally faced probing and persistent questions about her record as vice president and plans for the presidency in an interview with Bret Baier.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
“The key takeaway is not that she did not answer the question, even though she did not. The key takeaway is that there are no answers that would help Harris politically. The facts are what they are.”
Chicago Fine, appreciate your honest and frank response.
Remember going to the bank on 9/11. A trembling teller told me Indianapolis would soon be under attack.
Asked her why, She firmly replied, "Because we have Eli Lilly and Naval Avionics here".
My point being, the entire country was in a panic subject to wanting our leaders to do something.
Early on our leaders had high ratings for the military response in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The same leaders who are now in retrospect (Monday Morning Quarterbacking) held in low regard for wasting money and men.
Iraq was wrong. Unless Saddam unleashes a smart bomb of gas in the US and kills thousands. Then what does the media say about Bush? What does history say?
It's always easy to Monday morning quarterback when we don't know what unfolds in the alternative timeline.
I supported Bush in Iraq here on this board. But when it turned out the WMDs were our stupidity in buying Curveball's story, I switched.
Why would Saddam attack the US? His chief fear was Iran, Iraq barely survived their war. Saddam knew another war would result in an Iranian decapitating him with a dull spoon.
We did not give him tremendous amounts of weaponry in their war, but we gave them dual use equipment and farm credits. In a war like that, every little bit counts
Saddam was not a religious fanatic, he had no belief he was fighting a holy war against the US. He knew he would not survive another war against us, either we would get him or we would leave his army so weak the dull spoon could walk in.
He was a very bad man, but he didn't believe he had superpowers nor faith in 72 virgins. He had no interest in tangling with us again. He only did it the first time because he did not think we would respond. He would be free from that thought by attacking us.
Chris Wallace has proved what a great journalist he is, hasn't he? He's whiffed after he left Fox because he was a joke.
He was so in the bag for the Democrats, it wasn't funny. He lived on his dad's reputation for so long and finally everyone saw him for what he was - a phony.
If he's the best, why doesn't he have a regular show?
The media believed it - MAGA didn't. The media believes any negative rumor about Trump and nothing negative about Democrats.
It's nothing new.
Ok. You're arguing the reasons not to go to war. But you don't know what today would be like if we hadn't. You have absolutely zero idea. None. Zilch. Nada. I gave one example of infinite possibilities if we hadn't gone.
My point isn't to debate the war, but to state you don't know that it was "clearly wrong" as you don't know the results of the other infinite possibilities.
You'd do the same, if you were Zelensky. Having nukes has proven to be THE main deterrent to attacks.Cheney is not a fraud. He is a war head and goes where there is support for his agenda to push for war.
Harris is the biggest phony and liar in the political scene. If not a liar then she is really struggling to push the puppet masters message who appointed her to be the candidate without a single vote.
Now for something completely different, Scumbag Zelensky is threating to become a Nuclear nation if not let into NATO. Who couldn't predict that Ukraine would eventually become an enemy. Imagine going to an interview to present your case to join an alliance and that is what you respond with. I'd say F off and no more money or backing from the US. I've already said that. Of course the current US regime ponies up 425 mil more in money and weapons.
‘Either Nukes or Alliance’ – Zelensky Raises Specter of Ukraine Becoming Nuclear Again
The Ukrainian president said he told Republican candidate Donald Trump that Ukraine’s solution is either restoring its status as a nuclear state or becoming a NATO member, but Kyiv chose the latter.www.kyivpost.com
I'm all for him getting nukes and developing their own defense industry. Get us out of it. Putin will have a change of heart if he knows there's a good chance his dacha will be vaporized if he continues his land grab.
That is true about everything, so nothing could ever be wrong. Mc blames Biden for inflation, without Biden's spending it is impossible to know that the US didn't fall into a great depression leading to massive riots. So we cannot say Biden was wrong.
Heck, it could be after Pearl that if we simply forgave Japan, they and Germany unconditionally surrender after seeing such a magnanimous gesture. I doubt it, but we cannot prove it to be wrong. So we cannot even say going to war after Pearl was right.
I thought we liberals were blamed for relative thinking. This seems the most relative thinking ever, nothing can ever be right or wrong.
We attacked Saddam over WMD, he had virtually none, it was wrong. The weakening of Iraq unleashed ISIS on the world, a very bad result. Based on what we know, it was wrong
To some extent, you are correct. But we have actual data based on mathematical laws that can show the effects of decisions on inflation, jobs, etc.
I just think to say after only 20 years Iraq was clearly wrong is an overstatement.
Don't have time to say more.
Great post. Inflation is evil and wrong. It steals the only scarce thing we have, our time. It just becomes more obvious when it increases.
Don’t worry, Brad, I’m not giving up on a Bitcoin standard. I’ve already crossed the Atlantic. As a matter of fact, I’m with Washington on the Delaware and shoeless. And about to kick the Germans asses. Merry Christmas.
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My favorite memory from the Iraq war was when Donald Rumsfeld came to my high school (he was an alum) to give a talk. This would have been around 2009. Some smartass kid started in with rude questions during the Q&A and Rumsfeld made the kid cry with his response. The teachers were furious. Kid really thought he was going to stump a former SecDef or something.
Respectfully, your hindsight opinion on something you had no say in back then is kind of irrelevant. You would have made the same decisions as everyone else back then because you wouldn't have hindsight to retroactively weigh cost/benefits in the moment that you do now 23 years later.
I’m the same. I have quite a few really good bottles right now - Old Forester 1924, Blantons, McKenna 10, Weller 12 - but the bottles are largely open and I drink them. I despise the collectors. They’ve made it almost impossible to find Buffalo Trace which really pisses me off.
Oh good Lord, Marv. When Biden became President, the vaccine - which he claimed would stop the virus - was here and people were going back to work.
There was zero chance the economy would fall into recession, much less a depression.
Based on what we were told, it wasn't clearly wrong.
What I find disturbing is that Cheney and Bush KNEW the real situation with WMDs and didn't tell the public.
They wanted Saddam out, period. I don't blame them for that, but they didn't plan very well the aftermath when they disbanded the Iraqi military and turned loose thousands of men without jobs and status.
We always think these countries have enough leadership to implement Western style governments, and that just isn't the case. We can't change their basic society.
You are absolutely right that we don't know the outcomes for different decisions. In this particular example, while it is very likely that Saddam would never have attacked the US, there is no reason to believe that if he had WMDs that he couldn't have sold them to some other country / organization that would not have been as hesitant to use them. Saddam gets money and revenge against the US and no fingers to point back to him, win-win.
I don't think I necessarily agree with that. The supply chain issues of 2021/2022 combined with gas prices climbing had a definitive cascading negative affect. Several economists had been predicting (at minimum) a recession during that whole time (heck, some still are). In my industry, getting things like transformers on order for new buildings had lead times in the 60 week range (yes, seriously). There were projects that I know of that were cancelled on that fact alone.
It's been a slow recovery. I'm willing to bet there are many ways this administration could have screwed things up even more that lead to a recession / depression.
I don’t blame Biden for inflation. I blame him AND Harris as she was the far lefty coming in for making it worse. They were warned to stop that inflation would get worse but their ideology to expand welfare prevented them.
Yup. The last paragraph in particular. The only way that was going to happen was if we literally overtook their country and made them part of the US, which we don't have the desire to do (probably rightfully so). It's not something you can do as a half measure. You are either all-in or need to get out as fast as possible.
Exactly. Economists were in agreement that such spending would ignite inflation. And then Joe/Kamala decided to declare war on fossil fuels and - what do you know! - energy prices rose immediately.
That first year whek they had control was an epic disaster on all fronts. Crazy welfare expansion immediately all in on electric open the border right up. Pure insanity
This is why we need a divided gov the next four years to mitigate the damage until Trump finally disappears.
My response was not denying the rise in inflation. The response was with regards to whether a true recession / depression was possible (DANC saying that it would not have happened). I contend that it was possible. There are several things that could have screwed things up even further. The LA port issue a few years ago where they had container ships filled with cargo that couldn't be unloaded. That could have gone downhill and not been resolved for an even longer period of time. The decision to dig into our gas reserves to help (somewhat) alleviate gas prices (regardless of the process that lead to the need to do so), if Biden had decided against doing that gas prices might still be above $4.50. Despite the pork of the infrastructure bill (and yes, there was a ton of it), there are jobs that were created and helped stimulate the economy there, but that bill could have been shot down for some reason.
There are several things that could have changed that could have been worse, and with the benefit of hindsight, a whole lot of things that could have been done better, but without breaking out our Sliders Modules, we wont ever know what those outcomes would have been. We tend to think we know that changes we could have made would have made everything better, but there are always unintended consequences that we never consider.
I keep hearing this war on fossil fuels yet we are producing more today than ever. Saudi Arabia decided that oil should cost $100 and based their production on that price point. They just abandoned it and will increase production in December.
This is good because it completely screws Russia which needs high oil to fund the war.
Blow to Putin's War Machine As Saudi Arabia Ramps Up Oil Production
Saudi Arabia is prepared to abandon its $100-a-barrel crude oil price target as it moves to increase output, signaling its acceptance of lower prices.
www.newsweek.com
So when we look at the cost of oil, even if we produced more oil, OPEC+ would have reduced production even more to keep it at $100.
Economists are also in agreement on which Presidential candidate's expressed policies would be worse for inflation and the debt. Makes no difference to you. Don't pretend that you listen to them. You only refer to them if you can use them to support your non-expert opinion.
What did. Not what might could is possible if this that and those things possibly happen.
Fact
Speculation/opinion
The majority are which is typically referred to as that they're in agreement. They weren't unanimous about inflation either, but they mostly agreed, so therefore they were "in agreement" and they were right.
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Every time Harris or Biden starts a sentence with "17 Nobel Laureates" prepare to be bilked.
I agree. Call his bluff and get out of that crap including NATO.
He's bribing our inept leaders that if they don't let him in NATO they will be a nuclear nation. Then again, the MIC probably wants that to happen anyway. Especially, since they more than likely had a hand in the coup from 2014/15. Being forced to send troops to fight a regional war just because they are NATO country with a corrupt leader is BS.
Stuff has been going on in Ukraine for like a 1000+ years. Crimea population is 70% Russian. The Crimean Taters were like Native americans. They were 80% of the population until late 1800's then early half of 1900's phased out of the region. Why does US care about whether that land is Russian or Ukraine or another country name Crimea?
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