I'm feeling the Bern! Sort of.

[MrBing]

A lot about this Presidential race is very frustrating and disappointing.

One thing is Carson. Until recent years I didn't even know he was a Republican and that was the first disappointment with him. Carson was one of my childhood heroes. My mother was a nurse and is religious and she used to talk about Dr. Ben Carson and all the great work he did as a surgeon and as a man of God. As a young black guy he was a role model for me though I eventually decided not to go into a medical field. I'm agnostic so the religious part never did anything for me. As a politician I think Carson is a real nut. He believes too many goofy things and he's not at all qualified to be President. My mother is really unhappy about him. Who else believes the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain??? How can a great Doctor believe something so stupid? That's frustrating too.

As a Democrat I wanted a great choice for our nominee and I first thought Hillary was it. I volunteered to help with her campaign in 2008. I think Bill Clinton was a great President and I hoped she'd be good too. Two years ago I'd probably be volunteering to help her again and now there is no way I can vote for her. She's disqualified for me. I handle classified information every day and I know I would be in deep sh*t if I did what she did. I only wonder how fast I'd lose my clearance, put under criminal investigation, prosecuted, and booted out of the Air Force and possibly thrown into jail. Hillary is Hillary and too important to be treated like that. This just not right.

I only voted for one Republican in my life, but I'm going to look at everyone and try not to be biased. What I see is that most of the Republicans are kooks and keep talking about tax cuts again like that's going to solve anything. They need to find a new song book. The anti-refugee position of most of them is ridiculous. Trump is a total idiot and Cruz might be smart but he's a nut on policy. Who wants another Bush? His brother was a disaster as a President. Fiorina was a CEO failure so why should she be President? Huckabee? No chance would I ever vote for him. I think Kasich is the most moderate and reasonable of the bunch and I live in Ohio and think he's been OK here. Christie would probably be entertaining but I don't see backing him. Rubio is looking like he might win and I can't see myself voting for him either unless it's against Hillary. That would be frustrating too.

So I'm trying to feel the Bern now. It's frustrating that he's such a long shot but I want him to win the nomination now unless Biden jumped in. Or someone like Howard Dean did or if O'Malley somehow came out of nowhere to win. I agree with a lot of what Bernie Sanders says and I'm a big fan of single-payer healthcare and he's the only person running for President that supports that. I wish he was younger but If he gets nominated I'm going to vote for him over every possible Republican. So feel the Bern!!

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Welcome back Mr. Bing! Your feelings sound a lot like mine, although the reasoning is different. I'm still not convinced the email thing is worth losing my vote over, but there are other things Hillary is saying making it very difficult to vote for her. I'll probably have to simply because the GOP won't nominate anyone even remotely palatable to me, but I'm also rooting hard for Bernie, if for no other reason than for the sake of my own conscience.

 

[MrBing]

Welcome back Mr. Bing! Your feelings sound a lot like mine, although the reasoning is different. I'm still not convinced the email thing is worth losing my vote over, but there are other things Hillary is saying making it very difficult to vote for her. I'll probably have to simply because the GOP won't nominate anyone even remotely palatable to me, but I'm also rooting hard for Bernie, if for no other reason than for the sake of my own conscience.

We agree on Bernie. He might be my only chance to vote for anyone this cycle. I could probably hold my nose and vote for Kasich and maybe even Christie if Hillary is the nominee but the chances either of those guys gets past the circus clowns in the race are not good. If it's Hillary I'll probably not vote or I'll vote for a third party candidate. I'm certain what she did with her email is a crime and she's being treated different than I would be treated. That bothers me a lot. Imagine her getting elected and then Congress impeaches her for a real crime (not lying about a blow job). We don't need that kind of mess. We need to spread the fire and feel the Bern!

 

[MrBing]

Welcome back Mr. Bing! Your feelings sound a lot like mine, although the reasoning is different. I'm still not convinced the email thing is worth losing my vote over, but there are other things Hillary is saying making it very difficult to vote for her. I'll probably have to simply because the GOP won't nominate anyone even remotely palatable to me, but I'm also rooting hard for Bernie, if for no other reason than for the sake of my own conscience.

Thanks for the welcome back too. I've been lurking a bit since I got back from Afghanistan but not posting much. I probably won't be regular here because people are still disrespectful a lot here and I don't always react well to being disrespected. But I'll try.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

A lot about this Presidential race is very frustrating and disappointing.

One thing is Carson. Until recent years I didn't even know he was a Republican and that was the first disappointment with him. Carson was one of my childhood heroes. My mother was a nurse and is religious and she used to talk about Dr. Ben Carson and all the great work he did as a surgeon and as a man of God. As a young black guy he was a role model for me though I eventually decided not to go into a medical field. I'm agnostic so the religious part never did anything for me. As a politician I think Carson is a real nut. He believes too many goofy things and he's not at all qualified to be President. My mother is really unhappy about him. Who else believes the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain??? How can a great Doctor believe something so stupid? That's frustrating too.

As a Democrat I wanted a great choice for our nominee and I first thought Hillary was it. I volunteered to help with her campaign in 2008. I think Bill Clinton was a great President and I hoped she'd be good too. Two years ago I'd probably be volunteering to help her again and now there is no way I can vote for her. She's disqualified for me. I handle classified information every day and I know I would be in deep sh*t if I did what she did. I only wonder how fast I'd lose my clearance, put under criminal investigation, prosecuted, and booted out of the Air Force and possibly thrown into jail. Hillary is Hillary and too important to be treated like that. This just not right.

I only voted for one Republican in my life, but I'm going to look at everyone and try not to be biased. What I see is that most of the Republicans are kooks and keep talking about tax cuts again like that's going to solve anything. They need to find a new song book. The anti-refugee position of most of them is ridiculous. Trump is a total idiot and Cruz might be smart but he's a nut on policy. Who wants another Bush? His brother was a disaster as a President. Fiorina was a CEO failure so why should she be President? Huckabee? No chance would I ever vote for him. I think Kasich is the most moderate and reasonable of the bunch and I live in Ohio and think he's been OK here. Christie would probably be entertaining but I don't see backing him. Rubio is looking like he might win and I can't see myself voting for him either unless it's against Hillary. That would be frustrating too.

So I'm trying to feel the Bern now. It's frustrating that he's such a long shot but I want him to win the nomination now unless Biden jumped in. Or someone like Howard Dean did or if O'Malley somehow came out of nowhere to win. I agree with a lot of what Bernie Sanders says and I'm a big fan of single-payer healthcare and he's the only person running for President that supports that. I wish he was younger but If he gets nominated I'm going to vote for him over every possible Republican. So feel the Bern!!

Unless Hillary is charged with the crime(s) we both know she almost certainly committed in the next few months, you're going to have her as your nominee. I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination short of something major like that derailing her nomination. I think if something like that did happen it's more likely that some more establishment type Democrat will jump in and win it over Sanders. I don't think Sanders would stand a chance in the general election unless it's against Trump or Carson (God forbid). On my side of the aisle I thought both of those guys would be out of the race by now, or at least not leading it. It's looking like Carson is fading finally, I think, and I agree with you that it would be better for him to get out and not ruin his reputation more than he has already. If it's Hillary vs. Trump we're both going to be extremely frustrated and disappointed. I doubt I'd vote in that case. However, I'm still confident that it's going to shake out and someone more reasonable will win the Republican nomination and I'll be able to vote for him or her.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Unless Hillary is charged with the crime(s) we both know she almost certainly committed in the next few months, you're going to have her as your nominee. I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination short of something major like that derailing her nomination. I think if something like that did happen it's more likely that some more establishment type Democrat will jump in and win it over Sanders. I don't think Sanders would stand a chance in the general election unless it's against Trump or Carson (God forbid). On my side of the aisle I thought both of those guys would be out of the race by now, or at least not leading it. It's looking like Carson is fading finally, I think, and I agree with you that it would be better for him to get out and not ruin his reputation more than he has already. If it's Hillary vs. Trump we're both going to be extremely frustrated and disappointed. I doubt I'd vote in that case. However, I'm still confident that it's going to shake out and someone more reasonable will win the Republican nomination and I'll be able to vote for him or her.

Serious question. I know you'd never support Hillary, and I can't imagine you voting for Sanders, but what if it's the other way around? What if Trump does go on to win, and it's the Dems who wake up and nominate a boring establishment non-Hillary person? Still sitting out, or is Al Gore getting your vote?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Serious question. I know you'd never support Hillary, and I can't imagine you voting for Sanders, but what if it's the other way around? What if Trump does go on to win, and it's the Dems who wake up and nominate a boring establishment non-Hillary person? Still sitting out, or is Al Gore getting your vote?

Yes, I could vote for a Democrat over Trump. Trump is RINO and a jerk. I think he'd be a horrible President. I couldn't vote for Hillary or the Democratic Socialist or Socialist Democrat, or whatever it is he calls himself. I can think of others I would vote for over Trump (or Carson). I'd vote for Biden over him. Maybe Gore too, but I doubt he'll ever get in. However, I'm still confident that neither Trump nor Carson will win the nomination.

 

[meridian]

Serious question. I know you'd never support Hillary, and I can't imagine you voting for Sanders, but what if it's the other way around? What if Trump does go on to win, and it's the Dems who wake up and nominate a boring establishment non-Hillary person? Still sitting out, or is Al Gore getting your vote?

How about Al Gore vs Clint Eastwood?

 

[twenty02]

Serious question. I know you'd never support Hillary, and I can't imagine you voting for Sanders, but what if it's the other way around? What if Trump does go on to win, and it's the Dems who wake up and nominate a boring establishment non-Hillary person? Still sitting out, or is Al Gore getting your vote?

I would vote Hillary all day long over Trump (or Carson). I don't sit out erections.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I don't sit out erections.

I should hope not.

 

[iuwclurker]

I should hope not.

If it's between Hillary and Carly, who's most likely to win the erection?

 

[twenty02]

I should hope not.

Gotta love auto correct. No, don't sit those out either, if I have any say in the matter

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Gotta love auto correct. No, don't sit those out either, if I have any say in the matter

If THAT'S your autocorrect, I really have to wonder about your phone habits.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I would vote Hillary all day long over Trump (or Carson). I don't sit out erections.

I couldn't vote for any of those three in good conscious. I've never sat out an election either (or erection), but I don't see how I could vote for any of them. By the way, voting all day long is what Democrats do!

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I couldn't vote for any of those three in good conscious. I've never sat out an election either (or erection), but I don't see how I could vote for any of them. By the way, voting all day long is what Democrats do!

I'm strongly considering a third party protest vote if Hillary gets the nomination. Of course, living in Indiana, I have that luxury, because I already know my vote doesn't matter. Those of you in other states may experience different mileage on that count. I never would have protest-voted when I lived in Ohio.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I'm strongly considering a third party protest vote if Hillary gets the nomination. Of course, living in Indiana, I have that luxury, because I already know my vote doesn't matter. Those of you in other states may experience different mileage on that count. I never would have protest-voted when I lived in Ohio.

Generally, I think voting third party is pretty dumb, but it would be pretty dumb of the parties to nominate Hillary, Trump, or Carson. I can't vote for any of those, even here in Ohio. Those of you that like Hillary don't need to tell me you don't think it would be dumb, I already know what you think.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Generally, I think voting third party is pretty dumb, but it would be pretty dumb of the parties to nominate Hillary, Trump, or Carson. I can't vote for any of those, even here in Ohio. Those of you that like Hillary don't need to tell me you don't think it would be dumb, I already know what you think.

Agreed. I hate voting third party, unless it's in a race where the candidate has a legit chance. Two-party politics suck, but it's what we have, and what we always will have under this Constitution, so we have to work with what the Founders gave us.

 

[twenty02]

If THAT'S your autocorrect, I really have to wonder about your phone habits.

Yeah. Guilty

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Yeah. Guilty

I'm afraid I may have to reset my dictionary. It conveniently corrects to common words I use, like "numbnuts," and it mostly has learned all the appropriate curse words, but it also has started correcting from "the" to "te" for some reason, and that's really getting on my nerves.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Speaking of Trump, did you all see his latest brilliant move?

I'm not sure you could come up with a better definition of "racist" than "someone who thoughtlessly shares memes like that one." Non-racists see that meme, and immediately think, "Hmmmm, something's not quite right."

 

[Buzz123a]

Unless Hillary is charged with the crime(s) we both know she almost certainly committed in the next few months, you're going to have her as your nominee. I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination short of something major like that derailing her nomination. I think if something like that did happen it's more likely that some more establishment type Democrat will jump in and win it over Sanders. I don't think Sanders would stand a chance in the general election unless it's against Trump or Carson (God forbid). On my side of the aisle I thought both of those guys would be out of the race by now, or at least not leading it. It's looking like Carson is fading finally, I think, and I agree with you that it would be better for him to get out and not ruin his reputation more than he has already. If it's Hillary vs. Trump we're both going to be extremely frustrated and disappointed. I doubt I'd vote in that case. However, I'm still confident that it's going to shake out and someone more reasonable will win the Republican nomination and I'll be able to vote for him or her.

What crimes do you know HRC committed, Aloha, and how do you know? Show your evidence.

 

[Buzz123a]

Generally, I think voting third party is pretty dumb, but it would be pretty dumb of the parties to nominate Hillary, Trump, or Carson. I can't vote for any of those, even here in Ohio. Those of you that like Hillary don't need to tell me you don't think it would be dumb, I already know what you think.

I don't like HRC even a little bit, but I think it would be dumb not to nominate her, given the alternatives: she's overwhelmingly likely to win against any of the mouth-breathers the GOP is considering.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

What crimes do you know HRC committed, Aloha, and how do you know? Show your evidence.

Already have several times, but it boils down to mishandling classified and sensitive information by transmitting, receiving and storing it on her unclassified (and apparently unauthorized even for unclassified) private email system. There is no doubt it happened now, it's just a matter of whether she'll be charged with a crime for it. I know I would be. Bing knows he would be. I know of no one that deals with classified information that doesn't think he or she would be as well. Hillary would be if she weren't Hillary. 59% of Americans believe she likely committed a crime according to this recent poll and I expect it's probably in the 90% range for those with knowledge and experience with handling classified information. I'd say 100%, but no group is immune to willful partisan blindness.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Speaking of Trump, did you all see his latest brilliant move?

I'm not sure you could come up with a better definition of "racist" than "someone who thoughtlessly shares memes like that one." Non-racists see that meme, and immediately think, "Hmmmm, something's not quite right."

Trump is an idiot. There are people I know on Facebook, on both sides of the aisle, that also post stupid, bogus memes to support stupid positions of the moment and it drives me nuts. At least they're not running for President. Trump can't possibly win the GOP nomination IMO, but, as I said I'd never vote for him.

 

[ryanmilli]

A lot about this Presidential race is very frustrating and disappointing.

One thing is Carson. Until recent years I didn't even know he was a Republican and that was the first disappointment with him. Carson was one of my childhood heroes. My mother was a nurse and is religious and she used to talk about Dr. Ben Carson and all the great work he did as a surgeon and as a man of God. As a young black guy he was a role model for me though I eventually decided not to go into a medical field. I'm agnostic so the religious part never did anything for me. As a politician I think Carson is a real nut. He believes too many goofy things and he's not at all qualified to be President. My mother is really unhappy about him. Who else believes the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain??? How can a great Doctor believe something so stupid? That's frustrating too.

As a Democrat I wanted a great choice for our nominee and I first thought Hillary was it. I volunteered to help with her campaign in 2008. I think Bill Clinton was a great President and I hoped she'd be good too. Two years ago I'd probably be volunteering to help her again and now there is no way I can vote for her. She's disqualified for me. I handle classified information every day and I know I would be in deep sh*t if I did what she did. I only wonder how fast I'd lose my clearance, put under criminal investigation, prosecuted, and booted out of the Air Force and possibly thrown into jail. Hillary is Hillary and too important to be treated like that. This just not right.

I only voted for one Republican in my life, but I'm going to look at everyone and try not to be biased. What I see is that most of the Republicans are kooks and keep talking about tax cuts again like that's going to solve anything. They need to find a new song book. The anti-refugee position of most of them is ridiculous. Trump is a total idiot and Cruz might be smart but he's a nut on policy. Who wants another Bush? His brother was a disaster as a President. Fiorina was a CEO failure so why should she be President? Huckabee? No chance would I ever vote for him. I think Kasich is the most moderate and reasonable of the bunch and I live in Ohio and think he's been OK here. Christie would probably be entertaining but I don't see backing him. Rubio is looking like he might win and I can't see myself voting for him either unless it's against Hillary. That would be frustrating too.

So I'm trying to feel the Bern now. It's frustrating that he's such a long shot but I want him to win the nomination now unless Biden jumped in. Or someone like Howard Dean did or if O'Malley somehow came out of nowhere to win. I agree with a lot of what Bernie Sanders says and I'm a big fan of single-payer healthcare and he's the only person running for President that supports that. I wish he was younger but If he gets nominated I'm going to vote for him over every possible Republican. So feel the Bern!!

Good that you can be honest about Hillary. She has some serious flaws in her candidacy and her negatives on trustworthiness really make me wonder why Dems are predicting a landslide. Of course, I'm assuming Trump won't get the nomination. This is probably better off in another thread, but there are some legitimate concerns over the resettlement of Syrians, or anyone from the Middle East from that matter. That's not a quack, racist position, although I know it is being characterized that way. I do pro bono immigration work, including resettlement of or change of status for Middle Easterners. There is virtually no record-keeping over there and it's hard to review anyone that's coming in. Here's a bit of trivia for you (no Googling, although I essentially gave up the answer)--why do so many Iraqis have a July 1 birthday? It's practically a national holiday there.

 

[twenty02]

Speaking of Trump, did you all see his latest brilliant move?

I'm not sure you could come up with a better definition of "racist" than "someone who thoughtlessly shares memes like that one." Non-racists see that meme, and immediately think, "Hmmmm, something's not quite right."

He's a f'n buffoon.

Looks like the establishment players are ganging together in attempt to take him down.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...ump-idUSKBN0TB0UJ20151122#9bYstjwHU5JbYuox.97

 

[meridian]

If it's between Hillary and Carly, who's most likely to win the erection?

Well, that's a tough question. The true answer would ne neither. Both of them are over the hill in that department.

 

[meridian]

Already have several times, but it boils down to mishandling classified and sensitive information by transmitting, receiving and storing it on her unclassified (and apparently unauthorized even for unclassified) private email system. There is no doubt it happened now, it's just a matter of whether she'll be charged with a crime for it. I know I would be. Bing knows he would be. I know of no one that deals with classified information that doesn't think he or she would be as well. Hillary would be if she weren't Hillary. 59% of Americans believe she likely committed a crime according to this recent poll and I expect it's probably in the 90% range for those with knowledge and experience with handling classified information. I'd say 100%, but no group is immune to willful partisan blindness.

You keep saying that Trump will not get the nomination. Yet, he is still sitting on top! Wasn't Hilary sitting on top quite comfortably in the 2008 election but got bumped by a guy many people didn't know much about? Didn't same thing happen in 1994, well sort of?

 

[MrBing]

Unless Hillary is charged with the crime(s) we both know she almost certainly committed in the next few months, you're going to have her as your nominee. I don't think Sanders has a chance at the nomination short of something major like that derailing her nomination. I think if something like that did happen it's more likely that some more establishment type Democrat will jump in and win it over Sanders. I don't think Sanders would stand a chance in the general election unless it's against Trump or Carson (God forbid). On my side of the aisle I thought both of those guys would be out of the race by now, or at least not leading it. It's looking like Carson is fading finally, I think, and I agree with you that it would be better for him to get out and not ruin his reputation more than he has already. If it's Hillary vs. Trump we're both going to be extremely frustrated and disappointed. I doubt I'd vote in that case. However, I'm still confident that it's going to shake out and someone more reasonable will win the Republican nomination and I'll be able to vote for him or her.

She might make it but I know I can't vote for her. I would be looking for a 3rd party candidate with Goat. Bernie might not stand a chance in the general but at this point I would be happy to vote for him over any of the Republicans that look like they might get the nomination.

 

[MrBing]

What crimes do you know HRC committed, Aloha, and how do you know? Show your evidence.

I'm in the intelligence community and I don't know anyone that deals with classified information that doesn't understand that she mishandled classified information with her email system and that is a crime. Handling classified information on any unclassified system is strictly prohibited and illegal. No doubt that we would lose our clearance at a minimum if we had done what she had done and that means we'd lose our jobs. I'd be out of the Air Force. I'd probably be prosecuted. I do know some that say they'll vote for her regardless but I can't do it. It would go against all my principles. That and the privileged treatment she's being given that I wouldn't be given. The Hillary situation is frustrating for me because her husband was a very good President and I volunteered too help Hillary's campaign locally in 2008. My opinion of her has diminished some in recent years but I probably still would have voted for her if it weren't for this.

 

[ryanmilli]

He's a f'n buffoon.

Looks like the establishment players are ganging together in attempt to take him down.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...ump-idUSKBN0TB0UJ20151122#9bYstjwHU5JbYuox.97

The GOP establishment is tone deaf and they are wasting their donors' money again. My view is that Trump has solid support as a single issue candidate--he's going to secure the border and stop illegal immigration. That issue has broad appeal and people believe that he means it and will get it done. Calling people, including Trump, racists and bigots because they don't accept open borders will be completely ineffective despite his missteps. The voters understand that the GOP establishment wants open borders for purported economic reasons and the Dem establishment wants open borders to expand their voter base. All of the pretense about humanitarianism is unconvincing and can't save the establishment from being on the wrong side of this issue as it relates to a majority of their voters.

 

[twenty02]

The GOP establishment is tone deaf and they are wasting their donors' money again. My view is that Trump has solid support as a single issue candidate--he's going to secure the border and stop illegal immigration. That issue has broad appeal and people believe that he means it and will get it done. Calling people, including Trump, racists and bigots because they don't accept open borders will be completely ineffective despite his missteps. The voters understand that the GOP establishment wants open borders for purported economic reasons and the Dem establishment wants open borders to expand their voter base. All of the pretense about humanitarianism is unconvincing and can't save the establishment from being on the wrong side of this issue as it relates to a majority of their voters.

Yes, but he's running for president, not for the head of INS. Maybe some people are so strangely obsessed with immigrants that it's all they care about, when selecting a leader. But that's a pretty small % of the overall electorate.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I'm in the intelligence community and I don't know anyone that deals with classified information that doesn't understand that she mishandled classified information with her email system and that is a crime. Handling classified information on any unclassified system is strictly prohibited and illegal. No doubt that we would lose our clearance at a minimum if we had done what she had done and that means we'd lose our jobs. I'd be out of the Air Force. I'd probably be prosecuted. I do know some that say they'll vote for her regardless but I can't do it. It would go against all my principles. That and the privileged treatment she's being given that I wouldn't be given. The Hillary situation is frustrating for me because her husband was a very good President and I volunteered too help Hillary's campaign locally in 2008. My opinion of her has diminished some in recent years but I probably still would have voted for her if it weren't for this.

Looks like 59% of Americans, including 37% of Democrats think she probably broke the law. That indicates Americans aren't quite as ignorant about information security as I thought they were. I wonder how many of those that think she broke the law would vote for her anyway. That they would seem to me a serious lack of moral integrity. Not surprised you wouldn't.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Looks like 59% of Americans, including 37% of Democrats think she probably broke the law. That indicates Americans aren't quite as ignorant about information security as I thought they were. I wonder how many of those that think she broke the law would vote for her anyway. That they would seem to me a serious lack of moral integrity. Not surprised you wouldn't.

That's unfair on your part. You are making an assumption that everyone who thinks she broke the law also thinks it was serious. Someone might accept the argument made by others that her crimes were very minor and have no problem voting for her.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

That's unfair on your part. You are making an assumption that everyone who thinks she broke the law also thinks it was serious. Someone might accept the argument made by others that her crimes were very minor and have no problem voting for her.

That's true, I can even see myself doing that for minor offenses, or even more serious offenses if they had happened in the past and I don't think the person would do it again. In my book this isn't close to being a minor offense. They're felony level crimes, even if she was offered a deal to plead guilty to misdemeanor(s). I still seriously doubt she'll ever be charged so it's likely going to boil down to eat people think in their own minds and what their conscious tells them.

 

[Ladoga]

The GOP establishment is tone deaf and they are wasting their donors' money again. My view is that Trump has solid support as a single issue candidate--he's going to secure the border and stop illegal immigration. That issue has broad appeal and people believe that he means it and will get it done. Calling people, including Trump, racists and bigots because they don't accept open borders will be completely ineffective despite his missteps. The voters understand that the GOP establishment wants open borders for purported economic reasons and the Dem establishment wants open borders to expand their voter base. All of the pretense about humanitarianism is unconvincing and can't save the establishment from being on the wrong side of this issue as it relates to a majority of their voters.

The GOP establishment doesn't know how to sort out the primary candidate mess. They are as dumbfounded as the media and the Dems about what to do about the Trump phenomena. They do not understand the overall attitude of a majority of the public who are pissed at Washington and its occupants on both sides of the aisle. They are also pissed at political correctness run amok and demands of preferential treatment from groups who consider themselves worthy of special treatment. That and the 92 million un or under employed. Lots of respondents do not believe this is a recovery. The GOP big players think that the rank and filers - and lots more who have joined with, if not formally, the party to support Trump and Carson simply because they aren't GOP insiders - think like the leadership does. That's totally false but leaves the leadership unable to understand how folks can think that way. It leaves the media and Dems there too. Its major pissed off at the way the country is being run today. That's what has so many people joining up with non-politicians to attack the current circumstance. Look at some of the polls. 60+ percent don't trust Clinton. Smaller majorities don't trust anyone now in office. Over 70% of respondents believe the country is on the wrong track. There is a reason the right direction/wrong track is in every pertinent poll. It tells you the mood of the electorate. It describes the current electoral environment within which to run a campaign. Trump and Carson find popularity because they didn't make the mess that the public finds so distasteful.

 

[Ladoga]

That's unfair on your part. You are making an assumption that everyone who thinks she broke the law also thinks it was serious. Someone might accept the argument made by others that her crimes were very minor and have no problem voting for her.

IF Hillary is the nominee, and I've said here a year ago it isn't a sure thing because of her own shortcomings, not due to her primary opposition, the 60 second ads will tell the nation what the crimes are and why they are serious. A very large majority of registered voters to not trust her believing that she is a liar. Any protestation or denial of the charges in an ad either won't be believed, or her denial will make it worse. She'd have to counter attack and counter attacking when your unfavorabilities exceed your favorabilities by a large margin - hers do - usually hurts the counter attacker. Couple that with the fact that she is universally known and that makes it VERY difficult to change voter's view of her. They know her and have an established view of her. I've thought she was in serious trouble and then the disclosures of her crimes came to the fore. They are crimes - I saw a list of 18 separate federal statutes each with felony penalties - whether she is charged or not. But on the electoral street, they are discussions, articles and campaign ads.

 

[toastedbread]

That's unfair on your part. You are making an assumption that everyone who thinks she broke the law also thinks it was serious. Someone might accept the argument made by others that her crimes were very minor and have no problem voting for her.

Goat:

Bernie Sanders on CNN just said that he agreed with King Abdullah of Jordan and that it's imperative for Muslim countries to put the boots on the ground and "win the fight for islam". And be the one to take it to ISIS.

 

[DrHoops]

Aloha??? Is this you?

Good that you can be honest about Hillary. She has some serious flaws in her candidacy and her negatives on trustworthiness really make me wonder why Dems are predicting a landslide. Of course, I'm assuming Trump won't get the nomination. This is probably better off in another thread, but there are some legitimate concerns over the resettlement of Syrians, or anyone from the Middle East from that matter. That's not a quack, racist position, although I know it is being characterized that way. I do pro bono immigration work, including resettlement of or change of status for Middle Easterners. There is virtually no record-keeping over there and it's hard to review anyone that's coming in. Here's a bit of trivia for you (no Googling, although I essentially gave up the answer)--why do so many Iraqis have a July 1 birthday? It's practically a national holiday there.

 

[IU-Curmudgeon]

If I were Hillary I'd use the right's obsession with her as part of the campaign. Talk about all those investigations they've done on her and the lack of findings of any wrong doing. That's how I'd address the trust issues by pointing out she's more trustworthy than the right is and apparently more honest as well.

That is what the right has shown us all these years of investigating her after all, given the outcomes of their investigations.

She's been vetted to hell and back.