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Goat's POLS Thread for Mature Adults

Russian trolls telling you that votes are mysteriously appearing doesn't make it so. Tuesday night Dems watched a big lead in Ohio just evaporate and I didn't hear this type of "it's rigged".

Vote counters work in teams, a Republican and a Democrat. Poll watchers are there. You can watch the Philly vote live. What more do we want?

Yeah, I've been following this long enough to remember Dems complaining about 2004 voting machines being rigged for Bush because there were anecdotal reports of machines checking Bush when people tapped the touchscreen for Kerry because the screen had to be realigned.

Then I worked as a poll worker doing tech support for Election Machines from 2006-2010 and realized that these things sit in a box for most of the year and old people are poll workers who are technology challenged.

Probably every fifth voting machine with a touchscreen needed alignment when we audited it, then they worked fine.
 
Russian trolls telling you that votes are mysteriously appearing doesn't make it so. Tuesday night Dems watched a big lead in Ohio just evaporate and I didn't hear this type of "it's rigged".

Vote counters work in teams, a Republican and a Democrat. Poll watchers are there. You can watch the Philly vote live. What more do we want?
dems appealing pubs right to watch vote counters work. why would they care
 
Biden just picked up 5000 more votes over Trump in NV. Good trend.

And good rumblings out of PA:

 
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Russian trolls telling you that votes are mysteriously appearing doesn't make it so. Tuesday night Dems watched a big lead in Ohio just evaporate and I didn't hear this type of "it's rigged".

Vote counters work in teams, a Republican and a Democrat. Poll watchers are there. You can watch the Philly vote live. What more do we want?
I called this weeks ago, that there would be legal challenges that would determine the outcome. I'm just sharing ideas I've seen about what courses those legal challenges might take. If you think the information I posted above came from a troll, prove it. Find the numbers and do the math. I'm happy to accept your work if you can dispel the conclusions made in the tweets I shared. Please do!

As to Philly, I don't understand how a judge can rule that signatures on ballots don't have to match. They can't even be disputed. What other way is there to validate a ballot? We are supposed to accept the word of people who's party vowed to get rid of Trump from the day he was elected. It sews doubt.
 
This experiment worked well the past two election cycles, so I'm doing it again. This thread is specifically for discussing what's going on today objectively. It's not for campaigning, it's not for cheerleading, it's not for nonsense, and it's certainly not for insults. If you want to post in this thread, bring your A Game. If you want to insult people, there are other threads for that. If you want to try to argue about policy, we have threads for that. If you want to argue over which candidate is more anti-American, we have other threads for that. If you want to post some anecdotal nonsense from some random guy on Twitter explaining why Trump is going to win Iowa by 64 points, we even have a thread for that.

This thread is only for discussion of what's actually happening from an analytical standpoint.

Moderating in this thread will be completely arbitrary. If I think your post is bad, I might delete it. If you cause continuing trouble in this thread, I might ban you from it. Don't worry you can still post in all those other threads.
Crap.

Don't expect any resolution from North Carolina until Nov. 12 or 13.


I may have to make another beer run or two.
 
I called this weeks ago, that there would be legal challenges that would determine the outcome. I'm just sharing ideas I've seen about what courses those legal challenges might take. If you think the information I posted above came from a troll, prove it. Find the numbers and do the math. I'm happy to accept your work if you can dispel the conclusions made in the tweets I shared. Please do!

As to Philly, I don't understand how a judge can rule that signatures on ballots don't have to match. They can't even be disputed. What other way is there to validate a ballot? We are supposed to accept the word of people who's party vowed to get rid of Trump from the day he was elected. It sews doubt.

Counter point on signatures. Should a person be stripped of their constitutional right to vote because a layperson with no expertise determines the signatures don’t match?
 
Warnock/Loeffler are going to a runoff in Georgia for sure on Jan 5, no recount needed there.

Collins/Ossoff might need a recount to verify Collins is for sure under 50% and that a run-off will be needed there.



I'm not complaining about record rural turnout and Trump getting 80-90% of the vote in some of these rural counties and record votes cast despite a declining population in some counties. This was a high turnout election across the board.
The difference is that most Trump voters showed up with IDs to vote in person. Hard to dispute.
 
So why are shit show counting of votes in big city democrat cities?
 
I called this weeks ago, that there would be legal challenges that would determine the outcome. I'm just sharing ideas I've seen about what courses those legal challenges might take. If you think the information I posted above came from a troll, prove it. Find the numbers and do the math. I'm happy to accept your work if you can dispel the conclusions made in the tweets I shared. Please do!

As to Philly, I don't understand how a judge can rule that signatures on ballots don't have to match. They can't even be disputed. What other way is there to validate a ballot? We are supposed to accept the word of people who's party vowed to get rid of Trump from the day he was elected. It sews doubt.

If you read the link, it appears the legislature never passed a law stating signatures must be compared and matched. Across the country our states have screwball laws. I think there needs to be some system, given the problems with comparing signatures I have my doubts that is the best method. Below are four signatures of Richard Nixon's from his time as president, which of these four would you disallow?

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Counter point on signatures. Should a person be stripped of their constitutional right to vote because a layperson with no expertise determines the signatures don’t match?
Clearly the Dem lawyer who thought of that angle deserves a raise. The young lady who checked the signature I made with my finger on her tablet at the polling place, against the card on file in her computer couldn't have made a definitive match. I was there physically to address any dispute. It's the only way to be sure.
 
Clearly the Dem lawyer who thought of that angle deserves a raise. The young lady who checked the signature I made with my finger on her tablet at the polling place, against the card on file in her computer couldn't have made a definitive match. I was there physically to address any dispute. It's the only way to be sure.
Interesting that you've come around to the arguments that bring into question only absentee ballots. Almost like you're a good little Trumpbot, following orders like all the other Trumpbots.
 
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If you read the link, it appears the legislature never passed a law stating signatures must be compared and matched. Across the country our states have screwball laws. I think there needs to be some system, given the problems with comparing signatures I have my doubts that is the best method. Below are four signatures of Richard Nixon's from his time as president, which of these four would you disallow?

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I get it. We agree there needs to be some thought poured into getting better election results through better processes. I'm thinking 'dipping a finger in ink after in-person voting'.

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So why are shit show counting of votes in big city democrat cities?

Come on Stoll. Rural counties are dealing with thousands of ballots. Large urban areas are dealing with over a million. This point is not hard to understand. Well, unless you don’t want to.
 
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Interesting that you've come around to the arguments that bring into question only absentee ballots. Almost like you're a good little Trumpbot, following orders like all the other Trumpbots.
Well, I'm mostly concerned with the mass-mailed ballots. It's a clusterfeck every cycle. Technically my vote was cast on an absentee ballot. I'm for 100% participation and 100% enfranchisemnt. Also, 100% transparency and 100% verification.
 
Biden just picked up 5000 more votes over Trump in NV. Good trend.

And good rumblings out of PA:

If that's Las Vegas then we still need to see what happens with rural areas
 
If that's Las Vegas then we still need to see what happens with rural areas
I believe Kornacki said the vast majority of outstanding ballots are from LV and Reno. Duh. That's where the vast majority of people are.
 
Well, I'm mostly concerned with the mass-mailed ballots. It's a clusterfeck every cycle. Technically my vote was cast on an absentee ballot. I'm for 100% participation and 100% enfranchisemnt. Also, 100% transparency and 100% verification.
Then what's with all your "Just saying" posts? You are posting like a conspiracy theorist who wants to say the Dems are stealing the election.
 
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Yeah, I've been following this long enough to remember Dems complaining about 2004 voting machines being rigged for Bush because there were anecdotal reports of machines checking Bush when people tapped the touchscreen for Kerry because the screen had to be realigned.

Then I worked as a poll worker doing tech support for Election Machines from 2006-2010 and realized that these things sit in a box for most of the year and old people are poll workers who are technology challenged.

Probably every fifth voting machine with a touchscreen needed alignment when we audited it, then they worked fine.

That conspiracy theory came to the cooler, and I didn't buy into it. Yes, some voting machine companies gave to the GOP but that isn't anywhere close to meaning they were cheating for him.
 
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Nate Silver just made the point that Nevada is callable. But that puts Fox in trouble, if they call Nevada they are saying Biden has won because they called Arizona (Nate says that was a mistake). Fox is insuring that Trump starts a TV News enterprise.
 
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Biden just picked up 5000 more votes over Trump in NV. Good trend.
Kornacki now has Biden up by 15,000 in NV, up from 8,000 this morning. Gap widens with every ballot dump. I think I can relax on NV now.

AZ still has me concerned.

Getting PA would be sweet, but the legal crap that would happen if we don't get AZ and PA ends up being the difference would be out of this world.
 
Interesting that you've come around to the arguments that bring into question only absentee ballots. Almost like you're a good little Trumpbot, following orders like all the other Trumpbots.

The OP would not approve of how you are behaving in this thread.
 
Nate Silver just made the point that Nevada is callable. But that puts Fox in trouble, if they call Nevada they are saying Biden has won because they called Arizona (Nate says that was a mistake). Fox is insuring that Trump starts a TV News enterprise.

AZ is still in play or it seems that way to me.

TrumpTV will happen.
 
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Nate Silver just made the point that Nevada is callable. But that puts Fox in trouble, if they call Nevada they are saying Biden has won because they called Arizona (Nate says that was a mistake). Fox is insuring that Trump starts a TV News enterprise.

Talked about this earlier today.... going to be a conundrum for Fox. But if everyone else starts calling Nevada this evening they'll be in a tough spot
 
Come on Stoll. Rural counties are dealing with thousands of ballots. Large urban areas are dealing with over a million. This point is not hard to understand. Well, unless you don’t want to.

All urban areas don’t have issues.
 
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