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Goat's POLS Thread for Mature Adults

All urban areas don’t have issues.
Heck, check out Alaska right now. Literally half the state is blue right now.....

Granted, most of those areas have vote counts of Biden: 83 votes, Trump 80 with only 3% reporting. What's the problem Alaska? Get with the program!
 
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Every state has ballots that don't scan right because they got crumpled somehow.

Every state has provisional ballots- say you moved last month and got a new driver's licence, but the address on their voter rolls is something different. Honest mistake on your part, but your vote is segregated as provisional. Or maybe your address is 12435 Happy Lane and somebody with dyslexia entered it as 12453 Happy Lane. Provisional for you. It happens.

We are seeing that in PA and GA. People will tout it as fraud. It's not, it's normal and is usually unnoticed because it's a small number of votes, and these disputes are resolved locally in a bipartisan way, so it never makes the twitterverse. But now it will be billed by some as the scandal of all scandals.
 
Every state has ballots that don't scan right because they got crumpled somehow.

Every state has provisional ballots- say you moved last month and got a new driver's licence, but the address on their voter rolls is something different. Honest mistake on your part, but your vote is segregated as provisional. Or maybe your address is 12435 Happy Lane and somebody with dyslexia entered it as 12453 Happy Lane. Provisional for you. It happens.

We are seeing that in PA and GA. People will tout it a s fraud. It's not, it's normal and is usually unnoticed becuase it's a small number of votes, and these disputes are resolved locally in a bipartisan way, so it never makes the twitterverse. But now it will be billed by some as the scandal of all scandals.

This is correct. There is also this false narrative that any ballot not counted was a Trump vote and any ballot that is counted is a Biden vote. That’s not how things work. But it is very consistent with the overarching victim hood that defines Trumpism.
 
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Every state has ballots that don't scan right because they got crumpled somehow.

Every state has provisional ballots- say you moved last month and got a new driver's licence, but the address on their voter rolls is something different. Honest mistake on your part, but your vote is segregated as provisional. Or maybe your address is 12435 Happy Lane and somebody with dyslexia entered it as 12453 Happy Lane. Provisional for you. It happens.

We are seeing that in PA and GA. People will tout it as fraud. It's not, it's normal and is usually unnoticed becuase it's a small number of votes, and these disputes are resolved locally in a bipartisan way, so it never makes the twitterverse. But now it will be billed by some as the scandal of all scandals.


I've had to use a provisional ballot before for just that reason re: change of address. No big deal
 
under 50% means runoff

look at this! 399 votes short.

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Allegheny county to pause counting ballots until Friday per The Hill.
Let's just cancel this thing and start over.
This is brutal
 
Next thing ya know, James Woods, Scott Baio and Kirstie Alley will be doing tv ads urging electors to "do the right thing". 😆
Right after I made this post, I saw that Mark Levin is raging on FB that electors must 'do the right thing'. He's too smart for that, or at least I used to think so 😥.
 
Right after I made this post, I saw that Mark Levin is raging on FB that electors must 'do the right thing'. He's too smart for that, or at least I used to think so 😥.

That guy is a complete nut. His Twitter is all fear porn and conspiracies. That he is now urging state electors to go against the will of the people and risk serious civil unrest is scary. Losers want to change the rules.
 
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Allegheny county to pause counting ballots until Friday per The Hill.
Let's just cancel this thing and start over.
This is brutal
Based on a judge's order, at least for most of them.

Many people (29,000) had asked for a mail-in ballot then decided for one reason or another not to mail it in. So they showed up in person to vote. They were told "No, you signed up for mail-in" while they said "Hey, I changed my mind"

So they were given a provisional ballot. It ought to be counted, if they did indeed not already vote by mail, but the GOP insists they not be counted, and a judge said they can't be counted before 5PM tomorrow.

the other 6,000 is ballots with some problems. Crumpled and unscannable, for example

All of Allegheny's other ballots are counted, just these 35K "problem children" left. Every precinct has issues like this, it is just that nobody notices it whrn there isn't so much on the line.
 
Seems like Nevada is going to go Biden, but I don't think that Fox will call it because if they do it will put Biden at 270. I think Fox made a mistake by calling Arizona so early.
Just watched an interview on CNN with the SoS of Pennsylvania, she said they have 550,000 outstanding ballots yet to counted and the vast majority are around Philly and Pittsburgh. She's confident they'll have the majority of the count done by tonight and doing the math it looks like Biden will pass Trump, so my bet is Pennsylvania will be the state that puts Biden over and it could be tonight.
 
That guy is a complete nut. His Twitter is all fear porn and conspiracies. That he is now urging state electors to go against the will of the people and risk serious civil unrest is scary. Losers want to change the rules.
This issue was addressed by SCOTUS a few months ago:


According to the link, it appears not all states have laws requiring electors to vote for the candidate that wins in a particular state.
 
Based on a judge's order, at least for most of them.

Many people (29,000) had asked for a mail-in ballot then decided for one reason or another not to mail it in. So they showed up in person to vote. They were told "No, you signed up for mail-in" while they said "Hey, I changed my mind"

So they were given a provisional ballot. It ought to be counted, if they did indeed not already vote by mail, but the GOP insists they not be counted, and a judge said they can't be counted before 5PM tomorrow.

the other 6,000 is ballots with some problems. Crumpled and unscannable, for example

All of Allegheny's other ballots are counted, just these 35K "problem children" left. Every precinct has issues like this, it is just that nobody notices it whrn there isn't so much on the line.
The fact this may end up being decided by the courts is a sad state of affairs for a superpower.
 
The fact this may end up being decided by the courts is a sad state of affairs for a superpower.
Lots of cases are getting thrown out pretty fast, because they are nonsense. These days, too, most vote counting places are sophisticated enough that the facility is covered by cameras, so when somebody says a procedure was not follwed, you could just pull up the tape and see what happened. Or ask the people there representing both political parties if either saw a problem. Usually they didn't, it is some outside conspiracy theorist.
 
You know what states do really well with elections? Those that have universal VBM.

For sure. I've voted in three states that allow vote by mail for any reason and it's a smooth process. It's absurd that people feel like it's some important requirement to show up in person in order for voting to work.
 
IF Biden wins, what should he start doing? I think he should look for some legislation he can tout that helps rural America. Or find a Republican a cabinet post. Anything he can do to show he does not have horns and a tail to rural America. Why? If the rural America only intensely dislikes him instead of hating him with the burning intensity of a thousand suns, Georgia's two Senate races may move from impossible to extremely unlikely.
 
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Talked about this earlier today.... going to be a conundrum for Fox. But if everyone else starts calling Nevada this evening they'll be in a tough spot
They just need everyone to hold off until 9PM. That's when Maricopa does their next ballot dump. At that point, all the networks will end up on the same page, even if it does mean Fox has to retract a call.
 
They just need everyone to hold off until 9PM. That's when Maricopa does their next ballot dump. At that point, all the networks will end up on the same page, even if it does mean Fox has to retract a call.

I had some respect for the guy after he stood up to Rove and was right. But the Arizona call makes little sense. Maybe his system was not fully aware of late mail-in votes being closer to day of than early votes in Arizona. Who knows. He may turn out right but at this point that would seem to be more to luck than wisdom.
 
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They just need everyone to hold off until 9PM. That's when Maricopa does their next ballot dump. At that point, all the networks will end up on the same page, even if it does mean Fox has to retract a call.
I remember one time in the past that CNN retracted a call. I forget what it was. People made fun of them, but isn't it better to admit an error rather than to be stubborn and deny it, in a Co.H. sort of way, in the face of clear data?
 
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I remember one time in the past that CNN retracted a call. I forget what it was. People made fun of them, but isn't it better to admit an error rather than to be stubborn and deny it, in a Co.H. sort of way, in the face of clear data?
Isn't that how math works?
 
I had some respect for the guy after he stood up to Rove and was right. But the Arizona call makes little sense. Maybe his system was not fully aware of late mail-in votes being closer to day of than early votes in Arizona. Who knows. He may turn out right but at this point that would seem to be more to luck than wisdom.

Wasn't just Fox....A/P as well.
 
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I remember one time in the past that CNN retracted a call. I forget what it was. People made fun of them, but isn't it better to admit an error rather than to be stubborn and deny it, in a Co.H. sort of way, in the face of clear data?
Florida 2000? If I had to take a guess.
 
Interestingly, Fox and AP are the two that broke away from the big consortium after 2016 and both use the same data for their decision desks.

Wallace was just on Fox within the last hour, said their desk is adamant their call is correct and they aren't changing it
 
Right after I made this post, I saw that Mark Levin is raging on FB that electors must 'do the right thing'. He's too smart for that, or at least I used to think so 😥.

No. Levin is an entertainer, pandering to his fans giving them the red meat they want.
 
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Florida 2000? If I had to take a guess.


Yep


On election night, November 7, 2000, CNN, along with the other networks, first called the state of Florida for Democrat Al Gore, only to later retract that prediction. That projection was made at a time when polls had yet to close in the state's Panhandle, which is in the Central time zone.

In the early morning hours after election night, with the election outcomes still in doubt, CNN and the other networks called the state of Florida for Republican George W. Bush -- a projection that said Bush was the new president and resulted in wild celebrations at Bush headquarters in Austin, Texas. The networks then retracted that call.

Based partly on the findings of the report, CNN plans to implement widespread changes in its future election night coverage.

-CNN will not use exit polls for projections in close races.
-CNN will not project a winner in a state, even if it is reported that all the outstanding ballots have been accounted for, if the balloting shows that there is less than a 1 percent margin.
-CNN will no longer project the winner in a state until all the polls are closed within that state.
-CNN will remain with VNS "if, and only if, significant changes are made to assure that the errors that plagued election night coverage in 2000 do not recur."
-CNN also will fund a sample key precinct vote reporting system in the states expected to have the closest races to ensure the network has as a second source of data to crosscheck against VNS data.
 
No. Levin is an entertainer, pandering to his fans giving them the red meat they want.
I've tried to listen a couple of times. His voice is as annoying as his schtick. He signs off every Friday with Ray Charles' rendition of 'America', so I wanted to like him. 😆

Just can't do it.
 
I called this weeks ago, that there would be legal challenges that would determine the outcome. I'm just sharing ideas I've seen about what courses those legal challenges might take. If you think the information I posted above came from a troll, prove it. Find the numbers and do the math. I'm happy to accept your work if you can dispel the conclusions made in the tweets I shared. Please do!

As to Philly, I don't understand how a judge can rule that signatures on ballots don't have to match. They can't even be disputed. What other way is there to validate a ballot? We are supposed to accept the word of people who's party vowed to get rid of Trump from the day he was elected. It sews doubt.


Here you go. Please don't take Twitter from randoms as some kind of legit news.


 
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