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I see this game much like the Bucket Game this past year. No chance in hell. It was a forgone conclusion then that IU would clean their clocks. Likely the same setup for the game Friday night in WL, although I do think IU scores more than 0 points.
It wouldn't shock me to see a close game through the first half with Purdue gaining/extending a lead in the later part of the 2nd half with Purdue winning by around 12 points. That is hardly a blowout.

If the IU team has any real pride they will want to show up and play a good game. I really expect them to do so and it would be really bad if they did not. If they just fold that would be a very severe statement.
 
In my Probability and Statistics class the professor once made the observation that "...million to one events occur in metropolitan Chicago approximately 6 times a day." Your report of the score is correct, but it is a historic oddity, the 6 sigma event. You should revel in the 2024 season because your historic record is so bad. Isn't it the worst of any major conference program playing for a long time? I know that it was a short time ago. I also know that the ratio of the OOB game is effectively 2:1. So you had a great game, but that is one event in a long series that doesn't change it very much. Enjoy it but it likely doesn't change things very much.
I still marvel that Thieneman was a highly sought after portal guy. The games I watched him play this year, his tackling skills were abysmal and he had the speed of an 85 year old nursing home resident. The hype around him was unbelievable and he had some of the worst fundamentals I ever saw.
The Purdue fans always point to the present….the present looks not so good for you.
 
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I see this game much like the Bucket Game this past year. No chance in hell. It was a forgone conclusion then that IU would clean their clocks. Likely the same setup for the game Friday night in WL, although I do think IU scores more than 0 points.
I don't care if Purdue shoots terrible I see now way we win this game. We have not beaten a winning big ten team yet and got destroyed by Illinois who is the only real good big ten team we have played so far . I will eat total crow if it is close but i see Woodson getting his clock cleaned by 20 plus.
 
And the #15 seed, and the #13 seed, and the other double digit seeds. But, especially the #17 seed: that is literally the worst loss in the history of sports. They will always show FDU at tourney time.
Despite the fact that someone posted the list of double-digit seeds that beat RMK and Izzo (and were as many as Painter) in a thread that you posted in, you seem to be so obtuse that you remain ignorant of it. Or else you choose to intentionally and blatantly ignore the data. Here's the thing: respected coaches in the tourney get upset quite often. It happens. That's why they call it March Madness, long shots occur, especially in a one-shot situation.
 
MSU is usually our biggest game of the year in the b1g. Other than Purdue and MSU the big ten is a whole lot of “meh” in my honest opinion.
lol, which is why you guys are all sobbing on the MSU board and about MSU on X?

Trust me, I am in that arena and it is apeshit.
 
I still marvel that Thieneman was a highly sought after portal guy. The games I watched him play this year, his tackling skills were abysmal and he had the speed of an 85 year old nursing home resident. The hype around him was unbelievable and he had some of the worst fundamentals I ever saw.
The Purdue fans always point to the present….the present looks not so good for you.
It is very clear that he regressed substantially from his freshman year this past season. I attribute it to some combination of hubris and really bad coaching. I never got lining him, or anyone else, up regularly 25 yards from scrimmage. I attribute his portal attractiveness to a coach's belief that "...I can fix that guy."

Given the large number of portal comings and goings and with many goings among the better players, it is hard to really predict where Purdue stands. Has an offset in talent been negated by better coaching? Better coaching is a low bar. Comings and goings are not over so how great is the net loss of talent? Hard to say at this point. There was real damage done by the Walters Experiment. At the time of the hire, I viewed it as a Swing for the Fences Hire, i.e. a High Risk/High Reward Hire. Purdue got the former and not the latter. It will take a couple of seasons to fix that.
 
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Despite the fact that someone posted the list of double-digit seeds that beat RMK and Izzo (and were as many as Painter) in a thread that you posted in, you seem to be so obtuse that you remain ignorant of it. Or else you choose to intentionally and blatantly ignore the data. Here's the thing: respected coaches in the tourney get upset quite often. It happens. That's why they call it March Madness, long shots occur, especially in a one-shot situation.
It didn't take RMK or Izzo 25 years to make a FF. Painter isn't in their league. RMK and Izzo have done way more than shit the bed in March. RMK lost one friggin' game in 2 years. A blind squirrel finally found a nut: maybe Crean would have as well if he got 20 years. Good for Painter for finally busting his cherry, but let's not pretend that last year was the norm.

2 #16 seeds have won in the NCAAT ever: 2.
 
Actually, I disagree with your assessment. Of course Purdue's team wants to win the game for its fans and bragging rights, not to mention tourney seeding and B1G placement. But the single MSU game is more important because that is more likely to determine the regular season championship in the conference given the present placement of the respective teams. Losing that game is a double penalty because you lose a game in the standings and the closest competitor gains ground on you at the same time.
I would agree that the MSU game is bigger right now for standings, although a loss to IU would be harmful. I stated as much before.

As for the PU grads, this is the biggest game of the year...period. It is obvious by the infestation of rather nervous and triggered posters. the IU/PU rivalry is driven 60% by PU grads during rivalry week and 90% outside of rivalry eek.

Always has been, always will be.
 
It didn't take RMK or Izzo 25 years to make a FF. Painter isn't in their league. RMK and Izzo have done way more than shit the bed in March. RMK lost one friggin' game in 2 years. A blind squirrel finally found a nut: maybe Crean would have as well if he got 20 years. Good for Painter for finally busting his cherry, but let's not pretend that last year was the norm.

2 #16 seeds have won in the NCAAT ever: 2.
On the other hand, RMK and Izzo didn't have to convince recruits to live in W Lafayette.
 
It didn't take RMK or Izzo 25 years to make a FF. Painter isn't in their league. RMK and Izzo have done way more than shit the bed in March. RMK lost one friggin' game in 2 years. A blind squirrel finally found a nut: maybe Crean would have as well if he got 20 years. Good for Painter for finally busting his cherry, but let's not pretend that last year was the norm.

2 #16 seeds have won in the NCAAT ever: 2.
Making a final four requires some luck along the way but you still have to be a good coach to get your team to one. I can pretty much guarantee if woodson was here 20 years he would still never make a final four. Creean possibly could have he had done it once before.
 
Making a final four requires some luck along the way but you still have to be a good coach to get your team to one. I can pretty much guarantee if woodson was here 20 years he would still never make a final four. Creean possibly could have he had done it once before.
Mike Davis, Steve Fisher, Bruce Weber were ok coaches. Blind squirrels do find nuts from time to time.
 
It didn't take RMK or Izzo 25 years to make a FF. Painter isn't in their league. RMK and Izzo have done way more than shit the bed in March. RMK lost one friggin' game in 2 years. A blind squirrel finally found a nut: maybe Crean would have as well if he got 20 years. Good for Painter for finally busting his cherry, but let's not pretend that last year was the norm.

2 #16 seeds have won in the NCAAT ever: 2.
I note that you are now changing the discussion from the number of double-digit losses to the exact number of the double-digit. Izzo lost to a 15, Knight to a 14. To be honest, I really don't see that much of a difference. It's a big upset. I realize that you want to make a big deal of it but I honestly do not see significant difference between a 14, a 15 and a 16 seeded team. It is a large loss and the distinction is rather small in my opinion.

As for FDU, I recall that the team that they were playing in the one-bid league that they were in at the time was prohibited from advancing to the NCAA because they were new to the league. To me, that was likely a factor in FDU even getting to the tournament as I strongly suspect that the team that they were playing in the conference final was likely affected by knowing that even if they won that they would not advance.

Painter being unable to advance to the FF prior to last year is a combination of a number of factors. Talent had spread out prior to NIL and that made the tournament more wide-open. More lower-seeded team advanced, George Mason anyone? On top of that, Painter had some bad luck with injuries to key players: Hummel, Haas. I don't know how he could have been blamed for those. Added to that was internal issues at Purdue with economic constraints placed on his program that nearly caused him to bolt elsewhere. The combination worked against him.

You use RMK and Izzo as examples and I think that is not a valid . RMK had the university behind him to an extent that Painter did not. Historically, IU placed an emphasis on basketball and not football. It was one of the rare cases where the BB coach was paid more than the FB coach. I understand that is not true now, but we are referring to the past. That was not, and is not, true at Purdue. At MSU, while favoring FB, did not have the gap in program assets that Purdue had. Assets and success are positively correlated.

Remember, they teach you in Math class that you cannot compare apples and oranges. In comparing programs at the time, they were different kinds of fruit for the reasons mentioned.
 
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Spread is -11.5 - definitely not impossible for IU to win. The only way IU wins this game is if they make 3s which they haven’t done all year - and if Purdue is cold from 3. I think both would need to happen. If I were Purdue any time Goode is in the game my best defender is on him - he’s the one guy who could go off and make a difference. Ballo will get his.
 
I would agree that the MSU game is bigger right now for standings, although a loss to IU would be harmful. I stated as much before.

As for the PU grads, this is the biggest game of the year...period. It is obvious by the infestation of rather nervous and triggered posters. the IU/PU rivalry is driven 60% by PU grads during rivalry week and 90% outside of rivalry eek.

Always has been, always will be.
Who is nervous and triggered? Just read this thread. Many IU fans here are posting that the score difference in Purdue's favor will be large. Given that and who they are, you are now going to claim that it is the Purdue fans that are anxious? As a general rule, fans of a particular team are supporters and thus tend towards optimism. I have yet to read a Purdue fan expecting an IU win on Friday. That doesn't mean that it can't happen, but it is certainly not expected. You are simply kidding yourself if you think that is true.
 
Despite the fact that someone posted the list of double-digit seeds that beat RMK and Izzo (and were as many as Painter) in a thread that you posted in, you seem to be so obtuse that you remain ignorant of it. Or else you choose to intentionally and blatantly ignore the data. Here's the thing: respected coaches in the tourney get upset quite often. It happens. That's why they call it March Madness, long shots occur, especially in a one-shot situation.
5 times as a 5 seed or higher.
 
I note that you are now changing the discussion from the number of double-digit losses to the exact number of the double-digit. Izzo lost to a 15, Knight to a 14. To be honest, I really don't see that much of a difference. It's a big upset. I realize that you want to make a big deal of it but I honestly do not see significant difference between a 14, a 15 and a 16 seeded team. It is a large loss and the distinction is rather small in my opinion.

As for FDU, I recall that the team that they were playing in the one-bid league that they were in at the time was prohibited from advancing to the NCAA because they were new to the league. To me, that was likely a factor in FDU even getting to the tournament as I strongly suspect that the team that they were playing in the conference final was likely affected by knowing that even if they won that they would not advance.

Painter being unable to advance to the FF prior to last year is a combination of a number of factors. Talent had spread out prior to NIL and that made the tournament more wide-open. More lower-seeded team advanced, George Mason anyone? On top of that, Painter had some bad luck with injuries to key players: Hummel, Haas. I don't know how he could have been blamed for those. Added to that was internal issues at Purdue with economic constraints placed on his program that nearly caused him to bolt elsewhere. The combination worked against him.

You use RMK and Izzo as examples and I think that is not a valid . RMK had the university behind him to an extent that Painter did not. Historically, IU placed an emphasis on basketball and not football. It was one of the rare cases where the BB coach was paid more than the FB coach. I understand that is not true now, but we are referring to the past. That was not, and is not, true at Purdue. At MSU, while favoring FB, did not have the gap in program assets that Purdue had. Assets and success are positively correlated.

Remember, they teach you in Math class that you cannot compare apples and oranges. In comparing programs at the time, they were different kinds of fruit for the reasons mentioned.
Long winded. The difference is how long it took RMK and Izzo to reach Final Fours, how many Final Fours they went to, how many championships they have won, and how much they won. RMK lost one game in two years. Painter is not in RMK's or Izzo's league. Painter normally shits the bed in the NCAA's. You were the one that put Painter in the same sentence as RMK and Izzo, and I corrected you.

If you want to talk about what if's, let's talk about Larry Bird sticking around IU, Isiah Thomas playing his last couple of years, Landon Turner and Ted Kitchel not being injured, Scottie May and Alan Henderson not getting injured, etc. Injuries happen to everybody, but they are excuses to some. Gonzaga never made any excuses about being a mid major.
 
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Mike Davis, Steve Fisher, Bruce Weber were ok coaches. Blind squirrels do find nuts from time to time.
There is a logical inconsistency in your posts. You criticize Painter as a coach, citing it took him a long time to make a Final Four while simultaneously holding that making a Final Four is not a mark of coaching prowess. You missed a course in Logic somewhere in your education. Try reading up on the Aristotelian Law of the Excluded Middle.
 
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This is America, you can believe what you like. However, if you think Purdue fans regularly think about it or that it anywhere significant in their consciousness, you are very wrong. I am aware that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor occurred on December 7, 1942, but unless it is the December 7th Anniversary, I don't give it a lot of thought. Same with this event.
1942??? WOW! All the plaques at Pearl are in error. Typical PUke. Dumber than a bag of hair. PUking Up!
 
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Long winded. The difference is how long it took RMK and Izzo to reach Final Fours, how many Final Fours they went to, how many championships they have won, and how much they won. RMK lost one game in two years. Painter is not in RMK's or Izzo's league. Painter normally shits the bed in the NCAA's. You were the one that put Painter in the same sentence as RMK and Izzo, and I corrected you.

If you want to talk about what if's, let's talk about Larry Bird sticking around IU, Isiah Thomas playing his last couple of years, Landon Turner and Ted Kitchel not being injured, Scottie May and Alan Henderson not getting injured, etc. Injuries happen to everybody, but they are excuses to some. Gonzaga never made any excuses about being a mid major.
Nobody is talking about what ifs because one can never be sure of what will happen in the future. But we can say that a certain event, e.g. an injury, can affect the probability of an outcome. In a one and done situation, the less favored outcome has a better chance of happening because the rule of larger numbers tells you that the a larger data set will reflect the initial probability distribution more closely.

As for how many Final Fours Painter will get to, at present nobody knows because he is still active and thus the answer can not be determined at this point. Wooden was a coach for many years before he got to one but then got there a lot. So your argument on that is really meaningless.
 
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It is very clear that he regressed substantially from his freshman year this past season. I attribute it to some combination of hubris and really bad coaching. I never got lining him, or anyone else, up regularly 25 yards from scrimmage. I attribute his portal attractiveness to a coach's belief that "...I can fix that guy."

Given the large number of portal comings and goings and with many goings among the better players, it is hard to really predict where Purdue stands. Has an offset in talent been negated by better coaching? Better coaching is a low bar. Comings and goings are not over so how great is the net loss of talent? Hard to say at this point. There was real damage done by the Walters Experiment. At the time of the hire, I viewed it as a Swing for the Fences Hire, i.e. a High Risk/High Reward Hire. Purdue got the former and not the latter. It will take a couple of seasons to fix that.
I have always said that the blueprint for any program that’s rebuilding is you absolutely have to find a sitting coach somewhere who can bring his staff (or a good portion of them) with him and install their system and their “program.” Hiring a coordinator from some place or some guy that has to piece together a staff is hard to accomplish anything at programs that do not have 5-star talent. Looks like Purdue went for the right blueprint at least this time.
 
Nobody is talking about what ifs because one can never be sure of what will happen in the future. But we can say that a certain event, e.g. an injury, can affect the probability of an outcome. In a one and done situation, the less favored outcome has a better chance of happening because the rule of larger numbers tells you that the a larger data set will reflect the initial probability distribution more closely.

As for how many Final Fours Painter will get to, at present nobody knows because he is still active and thus the answer can not be determined at this point. Wooden was a coach for many years before he got to one but then got there a lot. So your argument on that is really meaningless.
So, you put Larry Bird on the 1974-75 through 1977-78 teams with a healthy Scott May: is that 1-3 more championships IU wins? A healthy Landon Turner, Ted Kitchel, and Isiah Thomas: is that another 1-2 IU championships? How about a healthy Alan Henderson? What if George McGinnis sticks around? PU doesn't have the market cornered on injuries, and we aren't talking about a Scott May or Alan Henderson, are we? Your excuses are your own.

Now, Painter belongs in the same sentence as John Wooden, lol. Mike Davis went to a Final Four in year 2 and Crean in year 4: they must be coaching Gods to you. At the rate of 1 FF every 25 years, you may be waiting awhile. The odds are way better he shits the bed against a double digit seed.
 
Nobody is talking about what ifs because one can never be sure of what will happen in the future. But we can say that a certain event, e.g. an injury, can affect the probability of an outcome. In a one and done situation, the less favored outcome has a better chance of happening because the rule of larger numbers tells you that the a larger data set will reflect the initial probability distribution more closely.

As for how many Final Fours Painter will get to, at present nobody knows because he is still active and thus the answer can not be determined at this point. Wooden was a coach for many years before he got to one but then got there a lot. So your argument on that is really meaningless.
Painter is Wooden now?
 
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This is America, you can believe what you like. However, if you think Purdue fans regularly think about it or that it anywhere significant in their consciousness, you are very wrong. I am aware that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor occurred on December 7, 1942, but unless it is the December 7th Anniversary, I don't give it a lot of thought. Same with this event.

In what country are you prohibited from believing what you like?
 
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