ADVERTISEMENT

Fred Glass deserves an ultimatum

HurryinHoosiers

HurryinHoosiers

Benchwarmer
Mar 16, 2019
377
559
93
Either shred "YOUR" Student Bill of Rights, or see how well they work on your resume at another University.
I dont believe for a minute that it's about moral high ground and this is the prestigious Indiana University propaganda.
Maybe it has something to do with Sampson and no repeats. Something to do with covering his own ass in case he did hire a cheater. I have no clue.
But I do know it handcuffs the coach. As if the NCAA doesn't make it hard enough on a coach, Glass feels we need to set an even higher standard.
Crean had no institutional control, 3,4,5 strikes your out? His players were way worse then Sampsons because he had no control.
IU needs more transparency with this Bill of Rights bs.
Glass pounds his chest about how IU is the only school to adopt this and yet scratched his head in the same sentence saying he was surprised that it hasnt caught on with other schools.
Well maybe other schools dont let the AD dictate his own personal morals on the University and the students and the fans.
It's time Glass answers some questions. Take the handcuffs off the coaches, for all sports
 
  • Like
Reactions: iuhoosierstildeath, indy1203, Indigo1983 and 3 others
HurryinHoosiers said:
Either shred "YOUR" Student Bill of Rights, or see how well they work on your resume at another University.
I dont believe for a minute that it's about moral high ground and this is the prestigious Indiana University propaganda.
Maybe it has something to do with Sampson and no repeats. Something to do with covering his own ass in case he did hire a cheater. I have no clue.
But I do know it handcuffs the coach. As if the NCAA doesn't make it hard enough on a coach, Glass feels we need to set an even higher standard.
Crean had no institutional control, 3,4,5 strikes your out? His players were way worse then Sampsons because he had no control.
IU needs more transparency with this Bill of Rights bs.
Glass pounds his chest about how IU is the only school to adopt this and yet scratched his head in the same sentence saying he was surprised that it hasnt caught on with other schools.
Well maybe other schools dont let the AD dictate his own personal morals on the University and the students and the fans.
It's time Glass answers some questions. Take the handcuffs off the coaches, for all sports
Click to expand...

As an alum and a donor I expect a higher standard. Don't get me wrong, I want them to win...but not at a the cost we see elsewhere.
 
  • Like
Reactions: darkhawk returns, Courtsensethree and IU? I'm Fine
You think people with the power over the university care what message boards think?
Indiana University is. And should be education first.
And I'm a super backer of athletics.
 
I think UncleMark has asked a fair question that hasn't been answered. In what way has the SBOR hurt the basketball program? What would anyone have done differently to improve this year if the SBOR wasn't in place?
 
Cottage Grove said:
I think UncleMark has asked a fair question that hasn't been answered. In what way has the SBOR hurt the basketball program? What would anyone have done differently to improve this year if the SBOR wasn't in place?
Click to expand...
The SBOR isn’t an inhibitor to IU’s athletic success, though it’s fair to say it was a solution to a non-existent problem. Academically, IU has little trouble getting most kids into school compared to any other Big Ten school not named Nebraska, a point which was verified in the coaches poll published before the start of the season. So academics are rarely an issue. Kids who sit are allowed to remain, but they’re told they are very unlikely to play, so most leave when faced with that inevitability.
 
I will stand corrected, but my understanding is the SBOR boils down to guaranteeing the student athlete the opportunity to obtain his/her degree if he/she is cut (Creaned) from the team for reasons beyond his/her control, or he/she leaves the University in good standing to pursue a professional athletic career. How that would "handcuff" a coach is beyond me.

Methinks the detractors are somehow conflating the IU SBOR with the NCAA's APR, which are two completely different things. Yes, the APR could hamper a coach whose program has not advanced the academic progress of its athletes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kkott, IUPaterade724, darkhawk returns and 1 other person
Student-Athlete Bill of Rights expands and describes the University's commitments to its student-athletes in all phases of student-athlete well-being and development. It comprehensively addresses subjects as wide ranging as post-eligibility degree support; scholarship commitment; academic, athletic, leadership and lifeskills development; and career assistance; safety and medical care; meals and nutritional guidance; ensuring a culture of trust and respect; and collective student-athlete involvement within the athletics department.
 
  • Like
Reactions: minneman and darkhawk returns
HurryinHoosiers said:
Either shred "YOUR" Student Bill of Rights, or see how well they work on your resume at another University.
I dont believe for a minute that it's about moral high ground and this is the prestigious Indiana University propaganda.
Maybe it has something to do with Sampson and no repeats. Something to do with covering his own ass in case he did hire a cheater. I have no clue.
But I do know it handcuffs the coach. As if the NCAA doesn't make it hard enough on a coach, Glass feels we need to set an even higher standard.
Crean had no institutional control, 3,4,5 strikes your out? His players were way worse then Sampsons because he had no control.
IU needs more transparency with this Bill of Rights bs.
Glass pounds his chest about how IU is the only school to adopt this and yet scratched his head in the same sentence saying he was surprised that it hasnt caught on with other schools.
Well maybe other schools dont let the AD dictate his own personal morals on the University and the students and the fans.
It's time Glass answers some questions. Take the handcuffs off the coaches, for all sports
Click to expand...

Have any of you making negative comments read it? Think I know the answer.
 
1. Who would you forcefully remove? 2. Would you elabotate on any major character issues on the current team, with sources? I haven't heard anything bad outside of Green's suspension, and with no reliable evidence on what happened there.... 3. APR is a lot more binding of a reason NOT to kick players off teams....or would you like to have no shot at the tourney before any games are played? 4. If you don't honor commitments, how can you expect anyone to honor or trust you? 5. This is IU and we need to hold our program to much higher standards than we did from 2000-recent times. 6. To all people who are pissed at Glass, look at revenues and progress in all sports. He isn't going anywhere. Whether you are butt hurt over "keeping Crean too long", firing Wilson, with reason, or peeing in your Cheerios, get over it. He has done an amazing job compared to out last 3 AD's (who were directly responsible for coaching hires, facilities not being upgraded, and athletics losing money during their terms). Move on

HurryinHoosiers said:
Either shred "YOUR" Student Bill of Rights, or see how well they work on your resume at another University.
I dont believe for a minute that it's about moral high ground and this is the prestigious Indiana University propaganda.
Maybe it has something to do with Sampson and no repeats. Something to do with covering his own ass in case he did hire a cheater. I have no clue.
But I do know it handcuffs the coach. As if the NCAA doesn't make it hard enough on a coach, Glass feels we need to set an even higher standard.
Crean had no institutional control, 3,4,5 strikes your out? His players were way worse then Sampsons because he had no control.
IU needs more transparency with this Bill of Rights bs.
Glass pounds his chest about how IU is the only school to adopt this and yet scratched his head in the same sentence saying he was surprised that it hasnt caught on with other schools.
Well maybe other schools dont let the AD dictate his own personal morals on the University and the students and the fans.
It's time Glass answers some questions. Take the handcuffs off the coaches, for all sports
Click to expand...
 
  • Like
Reactions: brianiu, FtWayneToAtlanta and minneman
darkhawk returns said:
1. Who would you forcefully remove? 2. Would you elabotate on any major character issues on the current team, with sources? I haven't heard anything bad outside of Green's suspension, and with no reliable evidence on what happened there.... 3. APR is a lot more binding of a reason NOT to kick players off teams....or would you like to have no shot at the tourney before any games are played? 4. If you don't honor commitments, how can you expect anyone to honor or trust you? 5. This is IU and we need to hold our program to much higher standards than we did from 2000-recent times. 6. To all people who are pissed at Glass, look at revenues and progress in all sports. He isn't going anywhere. Whether you are butt hurt over "keeping Crean too long", firing Wilson, with reason, or peeing in your Cheerios, get over it. He has done an amazing job compared to out last 3 AD's (who were directly responsible for coaching hires, facilities not being upgraded, and athletics losing money during their terms). Move on
Click to expand...

Nope. He still sucks. You can live in a fantasy world, but it doesn’t mean the rest of have to. I hope he is paying you something for that nonsense you just typed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Upset Alert
darkhawk returns said:
1. Who would you forcefully remove? 2. Would you elabotate on any major character issues on the current team, with sources? I haven't heard anything bad outside of Green's suspension, and with no reliable evidence on what happened there.... 3. APR is a lot more binding of a reason NOT to kick players off teams....or would you like to have no shot at the tourney before any games are played? 4. If you don't honor commitments, how can you expect anyone to honor or trust you? 5. This is IU and we need to hold our program to much higher standards than we did from 2000-recent times. 6. To all people who are pissed at Glass, look at revenues and progress in all sports. He isn't going anywhere. Whether you are butt hurt over "keeping Crean too long", firing Wilson, with reason, or peeing in your Cheerios, get over it. He has done an amazing job compared to out last 3 AD's (who were directly responsible for coaching hires, facilities not being upgraded, and athletics losing money during their terms). Move on
Click to expand...
I dont have any issues with character on this team. I believe Miller is gonna do just fine here once he gets his recruits in.
My gripe is the coach loses his ability to institutionaly control his players. Case and point is Crean.
We didnt have a problem when Knight was here. If we need a piece of paper to tell a coach how to discipline and grow his players into men then we have the wrong coach.
Mean while the right coach cant enforce his philosophy without possibly undermining the " we are holier then tho bs" that no other school stands by.
What's the fear, cant win without cheating? Sure you can, it's been done before. Without the bs Bill.
 
darkhawk returns said:
You mean like the 70% of students who are Indiana residents? https://www.iu.edu/about/facts.html
Click to expand...
if it is at 70%, then I congratulate IU. I seem to recall reading here in that in recent years that out of state was in the high 40%, approaching 50%.

I speak to high schools students (I live in MD.) on a daily basis almost all of whom are going to college. They see IU as a 2d or 3d option safety schooI.
 
ORG said:
if it is at 70%, then I congratulate IU. I seem to recall reading here in that in recent years that out of state was in the high 40%, approaching 50%.

I speak to high schools students (I live in MD.) on a daily basis almost all of whom are going to college. They see IU as a 2d or 3d option safety schooI.
Click to expand...
kids in maryland are looking at indiana as a safety option? what the hell?
 
  • Like
Reactions: cryano
ORG said:
if it is at 70%, then I congratulate IU. I seem to recall reading here in that in recent years that out of state was in the high 40%, approaching 50%.
Click to expand...
My guess is that Kelley and Jacobs and SPEA (whatever it's called now) have a much higher proportion of out of state students than CoAS or others. Also will be skewed toward Indiana residents if they're including enrollment from the regional campuses. Wouldn't surprise me at all if IU Bloomington is much less than 70%.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cryano
HurryinHoosiers said:
I dont have any issues with character on this team. I believe Miller is gonna do just fine here once he gets his recruits in.
My gripe is the coach loses his ability to institutionaly control his players. Case and point is Crean.
We didnt have a problem when Knight was here. If we need a piece of paper to tell a coach how to discipline and grow his players into men then we have the wrong coach.
Mean while the right coach cant enforce his philosophy without possibly undermining the " we are holier then tho bs" that no other school stands by.
What's the fear, cant win without cheating? Sure you can, it's been done before. Without the bs Bill.
Click to expand...
Authentic frontier gibberish.
 
  • Like
Reactions: twenty02, IUCol and UncleMark
Daydreamer said:
Authentic frontier gibberish.
Click to expand...
Thank you thank you....this place really needs more of you imo. The funniest part was that when Knight was here, ther were never any disciline problems. OMG what a joke that is....obviously he never spent any time in Btown during that era of coverups. What a joke that is...!
A few of these jokers do the same thing on the FB forum, just as ignorantly as they do here. At least some are consistent...lol

But trying to argue sense is a wasted effort. What we see here is just sour grapes and frustration...expressed like a 12 year old would...but no more. They have no real concept who the AD is, what he controls, what he has done for IU sports...nothing....just pi**ing into the wind for craps sake....oh welll...come on summer..
 
Some of you on here better think about this....can it get worse? Oh you bet it can. Why did we hire Miller? Better understand that well before you answer and sound like a fool. If anyone here thinks there are top coaches chomping at the bit to come here, your nuts. After Miller, its gonna go down, not up because the job is going to start to look too hard to risk your future on with fans who want to be Duke and not just a good program. We've chased that for 20 years now without success. Think that's an accident?
Miller was viewed as one of the top prospects when we hired him. If you got your way and we fired him now or even next year, who will be your White Knight then boys? Hmmmmm?

Use your brains not your guts...
 
  • Like
Reactions: hondo314
UncleMark said:
My guess is that Kelley and Jacobs and SPEA (whatever it's called now) have a much higher proportion of out of state students than CoAS or others. Also will be skewed toward Indiana residents if they're including enrollment from the regional campuses. Wouldn't surprise me at all if IU Bloomington is much less than 70%.
Click to expand...


Wiki says it was 55% from Indiana at IUB as of 2017.

That looks like all students. I assume undergrad would have a higher % from Indiana.
 
  • Like
Reactions: UncleMark
HurryinHoosiers said:
I dont have any issues with character on this team. I believe Miller is gonna do just fine here once he gets his recruits in.
My gripe is the coach loses his ability to institutionaly control his players. Case and point is Crean.
We didnt have a problem when Knight was here. If we need a piece of paper to tell a coach how to discipline and grow his players into men then we have the wrong coach.
Mean while the right coach cant enforce his philosophy without possibly undermining the " we are holier then tho bs" that no other school stands by.
What's the fear, cant win without cheating? Sure you can, it's been done before. Without the bs Bill.
Click to expand...

From what little I know about the portion of the SBOR that deals with athletes, I think it is actually a good thing, and could be used as a recruiting tool. While most people, parents of athletes included, assume a scholarship is a 4 year commitment, or commitment to get a degree, assuming the athlete does what's asked/expected, it's actually a 1 year commitment, that must be renewed each subsequent year. Despite every coach in the world telling parent's "I'll take care of your kid" it's a 1 year commitment that could be, although rarely is, rescinded. I believe all the SBOR does is confirm to parents that if their kid accepts an athletic scholly to IU, the school guarantees 4 years to earn their degree, even if they were injured or their athletic scholly were rescinded. If that happens and they are no longer part of the team, the school honors their scholarship offer and it doesn't count as one of the athletic grants. To me, that's a nice recruiting tool. How do you see that hurting our athletic programs, as I only see it as a positive?
 
Daydreamer said:
Two years ago it was called "Creaning" and was the Worst. Thing. EVAR.
Fast forward to today and its "why are all these loser bums still on my basketball team? Throw 'em in the street!"
Click to expand...
And yet they don't understand that the SBOR allows Miller to do just that.

Of course, the APR goes to shit, which does carry scholarship penalties. Fire the NCAA!
 
IUCol said:
Some of you on here better think about this....can it get worse? Oh you bet it can. Why did we hire Miller? Better understand that well before you answer and sound like a fool. If anyone here thinks there are top coaches chomping at the bit to come here, your nuts. After Miller, its gonna go down, not up because the job is going to start to look too hard to risk your future on with fans who want to be Duke and not just a good program. We've chased that for 20 years now without success. Think that's an accident?
Miller was viewed as one of the top prospects when we hired him. If you got your way and we fired him now or even next year, who will be your White Knight then boys? Hmmmmm?

Use your brains not your guts...
Click to expand...

It went down hill years ago. We have missed the tourney 7 out of the last 11 years. So, I wouldn't worry about it getting worse.

Also, Archie, isn't that good. That's why we keep losing so many games. I know you're one of the maudlin IU fans, but keep your head up when/if he gets fired. IU basketball doesn't end with Archie.

We are still one of the most desirable jobs in the nation and coaches will still want to coach here. The issue is we have dolts running the program who continue to hire average (putting it kindly) coaches.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: cryano
snarlcakes said:
It went down hill years ago. We have missed the tourney 7 out of the last 11 years. So, I wouldn't worry about it getting worse.

Also, Archie, isn't that good. That's why we keep losing so many games. I know you're one of the maudlin IU fans, but keep your head up when/if he gets fired. IU basketball doesn't end with Archie.

We are still one of the most desirable jobs in the nation and coaches will still want to coach here. The issue is we have dolts running the program who continue to hire average (putting it kindly) coaches.
Click to expand...
No unkindness meant but we are not who you want us to be....noo there arent a bunch a great coaches ready to come here. There are none...time is our only hope Obiwan....
Why did we hire Miller? Find the answer and all will be clear.
 
IUCol said:
No unkindness meant but we are not who you want us to be....noo there arent a bunch a great coaches ready to come here. There are none...time is our only hope Obiwan....
Why did we hire Miller? Find the answer and all will be clear.
Click to expand...

In your first post you claim Archie was one of the top prospects and we were able to hire him. Now you’re claiming there aren’t any great coaches wanting to come to IU. Which is it? Also, IU could have hired Holtmann or Mack if they wanted to. They chose Archie instead. IU is one of the top 5 jobs in the country. The issue is we have an adminstration that is incompetent at their job. Why do you think it can’t be the A.D. and etc.?
 
  • Like
Reactions: fpeaugh
IUCol said:
Daydreamer said:
Authentic frontier gibberish.
Click to expand...
Thank you thank you....this place really needs more of you imo. The funniest part was that when Knight was here, ther were never any disciline problems. OMG what a joke that is....obviously he never spent any time in Btown during that era of coverups. What a joke that is...!
A few of these jokers do the same thing on the FB forum, just as ignorantly as they do here. At least some are consistent...lol

But trying to argue sense is a wasted effort. What we see here is just sour grapes and frustration...expressed like a 12 year old would...but no more. They have no real concept who the AD is, what he controls, what he has done for IU sports...nothing....just pi**ing into the wind for craps sake....oh welll...come on summer..
Click to expand...
I assume you are thrilled with the last 20 years of outstanding basketball and football results?
 
stripetology said:
I assume you are thrilled with the last 20 years of outstanding basketball and football results?
Click to expand...

I think IU needs to move into “a neighborhood” more to its style. The MAC is a perfect fit for our school. It’s got that small-time feel appropriate for the way our athletic programs operate. Don’t be a pretender trying to live beyond your means on Park Avenue....and certainly don’t allow a university president to steal money earmarked for athletics to fund his goofy projects.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Upset Alert and IUgradman
So no one can produce a copy? Alot of opinions but no one has actually read it?
Just because a priest carries a bible doesn't make him a good man.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Rags to Roses

Michael Penix - A letter to NFL GMs

Replies
19
Views
3K
IU Football Board
JBT Assoc
J
CO. Hoosier

The road to dystopia?

Replies
242
Views
5K
The Water Cooler
Spartans9312
S
82hoosier

Thank you Fred Glass!

Replies
29
Views
2K
IU Football Board
emmis
E
C

So now what for Comer,Jordan and the others?

Replies
489
Views
9K
The Water Cooler
cosmickid
C
Marvin the Martian

Central Indiana people

Replies
24
Views
692
The Water Cooler
Bulk VanderHuge
B
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back