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Economic hellscape -- I wish everyone would read this

Here’s a rough one. A good buddy of mine’s daughter got knocked up before senior year of high school. They weren’t even seriously dating etc. she still went away to college. The boy went away to another college. And my buddy and his wife have the baby here
I mean those kids have parents willing to help them out. For many that same story ends very differently.

Probably the one it's roughest on is your buddy. That poor bastard thought he was kid free or close to it.
 
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You're only looking at it from your point of view. 93% of all abortions happen before week 13. Why would conservatives agree to a constitutional amendment that allows almost all abortions to still take place? They would gain nothing.

I’m skeptical about any proposed constitutional amendment. Just not enough consensus these days.

But, if there was one that could win the support of 38 state legislatures, it would have to be one is that is fairly lax like this.

More likely though, we’ll just see the states each pass their own legislation. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
 
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Let’s fix this problem….forced marriage until the kids are 18.
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Craze and SC, you both make compelling arguments.

Nevertheless, states rights and each state having its own laws on such a divided and personal issue as abortion doesn't make sense to me in a country with a mobile population.

My suggestion to reach a national consensus on this issue is to pass a Constitutional Amendment granting personhood to the unborn at say 15 weeks.
Great idea but the left will never agree. To them if the “thing” in her belly is an inconvenience the last day before birth, they want the right to kill it.
 
Great idea but the left will never agree. To them if the “thing” in her belly is an inconvenience the last day before birth, they want the right to kill it.

DANC, you are right when you bring up the emotional and scientific importance of what you call "the thing", or "the baby", during the various steps of the pregnancy process.
 
Stoll, glad you took my mistake with a chuckle when mixing you up with our good friend Danc.
Danc a great guy. He likes to give dems a hard time. Me and Danc don’t post with your smoothness.
 
I don't know what his expertise is, but he's described what actually is happening pretty accurately. Had a brief Index drop, but things are looking kinda bleak...

 
People have kicked around instituting a national sales tax on top of state. Get rid of income irs etc. it’s a fascinating topic. I don’t know enough about Econ to have a strong opinion but would like to hear from others

Canada relies a lot on VAT, both national and provincial. I'm not sure about the details, but there's a rebate back to those who qualify to offset the regressive nature of such a tax.
 
I think it would screw the poor

If the VAT (value added tax) puts some below an agreed upon poverty line they then might qualify for "free cheese".

When government does something new, it usually causes adjustments in other programs. One thing leads to another.

Governing and legislating if done properly isn't easy.
 
If the VAT (value added tax) puts some below an agreed upon poverty line they then might qualify for "free cheese".

When government does something new, it usually causes adjustments in other programs. One thing leads to another.

Governing and legislating if done properly isn't easy.
Yup. You presently have an enormous number of folks paying zero income taxes who would get whacked hoot
 
Yup. You presently have an enormous number of folks paying zero income taxes who would get whacked hoot

MM66, how about government subsidies to help families in American poverty zones move to communities who have jobs for "immigrants"?

Put immigrants in quotes as we have lots of Americans who would benefit from a move just like those coming from places such as Venezuela.
 
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MM66, how about government subsidies to help families in American poverty zones move to communities who have jobs for "immigrants"?

Put immigrants in quotes as we have lots of Americans who would benefit from a move just like those coming from places such as Argentina.
That sounds like a lot hoot. I’m not sure
 
MM66, how about government subsidies to help families in American poverty zones move to communities who have jobs for "immigrants"?

Put immigrants in quotes as we have lots of Americans who would benefit from a move just like those coming from places such as Argentina.
So you're saying relocate American families to places that need jobs with govt. subsidies? I've never heard that mentioned before. On it's face, I think it sounds great.
 
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