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What are the important factors besides social utility of the item in question? Moreover, the more dangerous the item, the stronger the case for liability.

Im not saying ban anything. But there should be a cost to the industry for ultra hazardous products and activities. If this triples the cost to the consumer of a semi-auto high velocity gun, so what?

And when you get right down to it, immunity laws rest in liberalism, not conservativism. The government should not be interfering with the civil justice system except in very narrow circumstances.
Well for one they are an ideal weapon for home defense in close proximity to neighbors due the rounds lack of penetration compared to 9mm, .40, and .45. It's simple physics really. Force=mass X velocity. Typical 5.56 bullet is 55gr. 9mm 115gr, .40 165gr, .45 180gr.

They are useful for controlling feral boar populations.

They have hunting applications due to their modularity allowing for multiple different calibers.

What parts would be subject to civil liability? The lower receiver is the only serialized part. They sell for $100 or less usually. I've bought them as cheap as $30. Any company with a CNC machine can make them. I could assemble an AR from parts from 10 different manufacturers and not all specially gun manufacturers.

Lift civil immunity. Just not sure it would have the intended effect.
 
I’ve been thinking about the virtue quotes you posted previously and your thoughts on this.

How is it different than the communist saying communism will only be possible (or is possible now if) when people are more virtuous—less greedy for material wealth, more altruistic? That’s generally been the knock on communism and to some extent socialism— that it ignores humans’ selfish natures.

What if the virtue for which you pine is also contrary to human nature in a large percentage of humanity? Does that make democracy less desirable or defendable?

Another way to put this: maybe we are no more or less crappy a people than those before us.
Freedom with laws requires a people that are mostly capable of exercising that freedom without trampling on others in the worst of ways. I would very much argue that people are not inherently good. What is generally needed is some system in place that holds people accountable. In the past I think we had a mixture of a mostly Judeo-Christian ethics that was interwoven into out popular culture and when applied with our secular laws that allowed for a mostly free society. You could leave your door unlocked at night type of stuff and not have break ins.

The greater amount of people you have in society who are just kind of hedonistically doing what is good for them, the more control you end up needing because people left to their own devices end up turning into Chicago and San Francisco. No God, no higher moral authority, just whatever the I can get away with without the government catching me or caring.

Communism demands authoritarianism because people aren't built to equally share just in their nature.
 
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Incorrect.

Force equals mass x velocity squared. The kinetic energy of a high velocity round is extremely high. Compare a garden variety .22 LR with a .223 round.
We were both wrong. That was the momentum equation.

Force = mass X acceleration.
 
Incorrect.

Force equals mass x velocity squared. The kinetic energy of a high velocity round is extremely high. Compare a garden variety .22 LR with a .223 round.
The bullet isnt the only part of the equation. You have bullet mass, length, shape, construction. Powder volume, case volume, pressure.
 
The bullet isnt the only part of the equation. You have bullet mass, length, shape, construction. Powder volume, case volume, pressure.
The most significant variable is velocity of the round.

As far as I am concerned, semI-auto high velocity rifles are for unskilled rubes who want to shoot stuff. A good shooter could kill feral hogs just fine with a bolt action or lever action.

Home defense? Make mine a 12 gauge.

I can’t imagine what a couple of AR-15 rounds would do to a kid, even if the kid survives.
 
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The most significant variable is velocity of the round.

As far as I am concerned, semI-auto high velocity rifles are for unskilled rubes who want to shoot stuff. A good shooter could kill feral hogs just fine with a bolt action or lever action.

Home defense? Make mine a 12 gauge.

I can’t imagine what a couple of AR-15 rounds would do to a kid, even if the kid survives.
Texans would disagree with you. Getting rid of hogs is not about hunting.


"Feral hogs move in groups called sounders. The best way to get rid of them is by dispatching the entire sounder at once. This can be accomplished with a corral trap, which surrounds the entire sounder. Shooting them from a helicopter or a hot air balloon is also OK if you can kill the whole group at once.

But if you just shoot one, the rest scatter."
 
That’s a very equal comparison you’re trying to make. Can I assume you are for age restrictions, licensing, regular updates of licenses, and the ability to suspend licenses for even small infractions?
Oh, I was talking about guns.
All in the name of everything equals everything.
 
That’s a very equal comparison you’re trying to make. Can I assume you are for age restrictions, licensing, regular updates of licenses, and the ability to suspend licenses for even small infractions?
Oh, I was talking about guns.
All in the name of everything equals everything.
Take the mentally ill, like the trannies, and lock them in the nut house. Problem solved.
 
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Incorrect.

Force equals mass x velocity squared. The kinetic energy of a high velocity round is extremely high. Compare a garden variety .22 LR with a .223 round.
Note to self: do not look to the WC for basic physics knowledge.
 
So so dumb. On so many levels
So, let me ask you and @CO. Hoosier, and any of the other 300 lawyers who post on this board.

I thought of this the other day after a couple of guys carjacked a vehicle, then rammed it into a gun shop in Beech Grove for the purpose of stealing several (50, I think) guns. Is it crazy for me to propose that the gun shop owner be at least financially responsible, if not criminally liable, for any crimes committed using one of those guns?
I mean, if you can't secure your lethal merchandise better than that, then you have no business selling it. Too much of a financial burden or liability risk? Tough shit. Don't sell guns, then.
Or is this already a thing?

I'll hang up and listen.
 
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Note to self: do not look to the WC for basic physics knowledge.
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That’s a very equal comparison you’re trying to make. Can I assume you are for age restrictions, licensing, regular updates of licenses, and the ability to suspend licenses for even small infractions?
Oh, I was talking about guns.
All in the name of everything equals everything.
You can always count on some freedumb loving republican to make that dumbass argument.

Let’s ban all medicine too! People die from medicine all the time!

Let’s ban vacations! Some people die on vacation!
 
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So, let me ask you and @CO. Hoosier, and any of the other 300 lawyers who post on this board.

I thought of this the other day after a couple of guys carjacked a vehicle, then rammed it into a gun shop in Beech Grove for the purpose of stealing several (50, I think) guns. Is it crazy for me to propose that the gun shop owner be at least financially responsible, if not criminally liable, for any crimes committed using one of those guns?
I mean, if you can't secure your lethal merchandise better than that, then you have no business selling it. Too much of a financial burden or liability risk? Tough shit. Don't sell guns, then.
Or is this already a thing?

I'll hang up and listen.
Maybe. states have gun storage laws, most of which pertain to preventing minors from getting them, but i'm not sure what laws/regs pertain to retail gun sales. there are certainly issues that would arise from a tort claim, but it's possible
 
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He's also full of shit. No way that dude had an automatic rifle.

If gun controllers want to be taken seriously they should at least look like they know a little about what they're talking about.
Mauricio Garcia…white supremacist.

 
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Well for one they are an ideal weapon for home defense in close proximity to neighbors due the rounds lack of penetration compared to 9mm, .40, and .45. It's simple physics really. Force=mass X velocity. Typical 5.56 bullet is 55gr. 9mm 115gr, .40 165gr, .45 180gr.

They are useful for controlling feral boar populations.

They have hunting applications due to their modularity allowing for multiple different calibers.

What parts would be subject to civil liability? The lower receiver is the only serialized part. They sell for $100 or less usually. I've bought them as cheap as $30. Any company with a CNC machine can make them. I could assemble an AR from parts from 10 different manufacturers and not all specially gun manufacturers.

Lift civil immunity. Just not sure it would have the intended effect.
I’m sure there are a large percentage of people who need them for feral boar populations.
 
I’m sure there are a large percentage of people who need them for feral boar populations.
There are feral pigs in 40 different states and over 4 million in Texas. They are a biological hazard to livestock populations and decimate crops.
 
So, let me ask you and @CO. Hoosier, and any of the other 300 lawyers who post on this board.

I thought of this the other day after a couple of guys carjacked a vehicle, then rammed it into a gun shop in Beech Grove for the purpose of stealing several (50, I think) guns. Is it crazy for me to propose that the gun shop owner be at least financially responsible, if not criminally liable, for any crimes committed using one of those guns?
I mean, if you can't secure your lethal merchandise better than that, then you have no business selling it. Too much of a financial burden or liability risk? Tough shit. Don't sell guns, then.
Or is this already a thing?

I'll hang up and listen.
In many instances, a criminal act by a third party breaks the chain of proximate cause.

But I wouldn’t be a lawyer if I didn’t add the caveat: it depends.
 
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It's a serious problem.

Okay then, you convinced me. All these nutters should be able to have unfettered access to a weapon of war just in case they run into a pack of wild boars.
 
Okay then, you convinced me. All these nutters should be able to have unfettered access to a weapon of war just in case they run into a pack of wild boars.
I was asked to provide a practical application.

Calling people nutters doesn't help your side.

They aren't weapons of war.

Boars are an invasive species and bad for the environment. I'm not using it as an argument. I'm just giving you the info because you seem to think I'm just making it up.

 
Yes they need a weapon of war yet somehow the emaciated contestants on naked and afraid who teach preschool by day can somehow kill them with whittled sticks
Please don't tell me you take that show seriously? How far do you think they are from civilization? Where do you think the camera crews, directors, other staff stay and keep all their equipment?

It's not a weapon of war. You ever handled and shot a real weapon of war?
 
Please don't tell me you take that show seriously? How far do you think they are from civilization? Where do you think the camera crews, directors, other staff stay and keep all their equipment?
Deadly serious. Like I take all reality shows. I understand very well EXACTLY where the camera crew is at all times. Just as I do on alone, survivorman, and other shows.
 
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