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6/12 Primaries: Good night for Trump or bad night for GOP?

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Some interesting results in the GOP primary. Vocal Trump supporter Corey Stewart has won the nomination for Senate from Virginia. And after getting a last-minute endorsement from the President, Katie Arrington has knocked off Mark Sanford in SC-01.

However, GOP establishment types might not like those results, especially in Virginia. Kaine was always going to be a favorite, but facing off against someone who was just a little two late in realizing he shouldn't praise Paul Nehlen will help him even more. SC-01 is pretty red, so it might not matter who wins there, but it's not a gimme, and could be a district to target in the even that the so-called "blue wave" appears realistic. Arrington outflanked Sanford from the right.
 
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Some interesting results in the GOP primary. Vocal Trump supporter Corey Stewart has won the nomination for Senate from Virginia. And after getting a last-minute endorsement from the President, Katie Arrington has knocked off Mark Sanford in SC-01.

However, GOP establishment types might not like those results, especially in Virginia. Kaine was always going to be a favorite, but facing off against someone who was just a little two late in realizing he shouldn't praise Paul Nehlen will help him even more. SC-01 is pretty red, so it might not matter who wins there, but it's not a gimme, and could be a district to target in the even that the so-called "blue wave" appears realistic. Arrington outflanked Sanford from the right.

Harry Enten had an interesting piece on CNN.com yesterday,pointing out that it is the "swing states" where the indications of a Dem year are most apparent.People point to the fact that the 5 Dem senators in Deep RED states (IN,MO,ND,MT,WV) could be in trouble,but these are states Trump won by 20 pts or more.So it's natural to see a continuance of pro-Trump sentiment,although each state is unique and a Pub win in any is far from a given...

But in the 10 states decided by 9 pts or less with either a Dem incumbent or an Independent that caucuses with the Dems,the Pubs look to be competitive in only a single Senate race.That's in Florida,where Nelson appears to have a small lead over his challenger Rick Scott. The other 9 (VA,ME,MN,NM,MI,OH,PA and WI) show the incumbent Dem with a current double-digit lead (and an aroused Dem base).

And for the 3 current GOP held seats in states that meet the same criteria (TX,AZ and NV) the races are shaping up differently.Currently in both AZ and NV the Dems have a small lead,and at the very least look competitive.Cruz is going to have a tougher than anticipated battle in TX,in a race that should be interesting to follow.

And then you have a state like TN where Trump won handily,but where former Gov Phil Bredesen is attracting the sane people of both parties in his Senate bid vs Michelle Bachman-lite Marsha Blackburn.Some polling shows a double digit lead for Bredesen who is an extremely popular moderate running against a total wacko in Blackburn...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/politics/virginia-swing-state-senate-races-analysis/index.html
 
Some interesting results in the GOP primary. Vocal Trump supporter Corey Stewart has won the nomination for Senate from Virginia. And after getting a last-minute endorsement from the President, Katie Arrington has knocked off Mark Sanford in SC-01.

However, GOP establishment types might not like those results, especially in Virginia. Kaine was always going to be a favorite, but facing off against someone who was just a little two late in realizing he shouldn't praise Paul Nehlen will help him even more. SC-01 is pretty red, so it might not matter who wins there, but it's not a gimme, and could be a district to target in the even that the so-called "blue wave" appears realistic. Arrington outflanked Sanford from the right.



The GOP is now nothing but a Trumpish cult. The party as it was once known, is dead. Sandford was the most hard-right member of Congress you could imagine. But he said a couple negative things about Trump....so he's gone.

What a pathetic cesspool.
 
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The GOP is now nothing but a Trumpish cult. The party as it was once known, is dead. Sandford was the most hard-right member of Congress you could imagine. But he said a couple negative things about Trump....so he's gone.

What a pathetic cesspool.
But this isn't just a Trump thing. This has been decades in the making. The rejection of science. The bogus wrapping the party in the American flag as the only true Americans. The rigid ideological insanity around topics like tax cuts and budget busting (the latter of which they obviously were never really serious about) in lieu of grappling with real issues sensibly and demonizing anyone who said anything differently. The religious zealots like Falwell and Robertson and Bachman. The incredibly un-serious people that were pushed forward as actual candidates, from Palin to Bachman to Carson to Trump to countless others. The deranged 24/7 talk radio propaganda machine. The appeal to unfounded fears of the electorate. None of that has anything really to do with being conservative. It's been a corrupt tribalism show, some of the worst consequences of which are now clearly being felt.
 
The GOP is now nothing but a Trumpish cult. The party as it was once known, is dead. Sandford was the most hard-right member of Congress you could imagine. But he said a couple negative things about Trump....so he's gone.

What a pathetic cesspool.

Sanford had other issues...
 

It’s possible that Sanford’s regular bashing of the President may have been one factor, but let’s not kid ourselves. He was hardly a lock to win to begin with. Trump didn’t even endorse his opponent until the polls were almost closed last night. Sanford won his House seat in a low turnout special election in 2013 and then kept his head down for the most part and hung onto it with the power of incumbency. But even then, he barely got more than 50% of the vote when retaking his seat so it’s not as if there was a groundswell of support for him.

Also, there’s been a distinct shift in the national mood of late in case you hadn’t noticed. Sanford’s original scandal revolved around the fact that he was cheating on his wife with an Argentinian journalist, lying to the public about it and was later caught trespassing at his former home in violation of their separation agreement. That’s not a great backstory to bring to the campaign trail in the middle of the #MeToo moment. Combine that with the fact that he was running against a woman and it’s not hard to see how he might have run into electoral trouble.

His past was bound to come back to haunt him in the general election. Keep in mind that while SC-1 is fairly solidly red, Sanford only managed to take 54% of the vote against Stephen Colbert’s sister so there was enough opposition available to give him trouble. What the GOP voters did last night may have been a move to trade in a scandal-plagued incumbent in favor of someone who will bring less baggage into the November election. Was Trump support a factor in this race? Probably. But it was hardly the entire story.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/13/mark-sanford-lose-last-night-take-guess/

 
Also, I’m LOLing at the notion that South Carolina Republicans primaried Sanford out because they’re caught up in the Me Too movement.

Despite the Trump stuff, most people in the South are still "values" voters. Cheating on and then creeping on your wife are not going to be real endearing things with a decent candidate primarying him.
 
The GOP is now nothing but a Trumpish cult. The party as it was once known, is dead. Sandford was the most hard-right member of Congress you could imagine. But he said a couple negative things about Trump....so he's gone.

What a pathetic cesspool.
As a former Republican, I’d like to lead us in the following chant:

The party is dead. Long live the party.
 
Despite the Trump stuff, most people in the South are still "values" voters. Cheating on and then creeping on your wife are not going to be real endearing things with a decent candidate primarying him.
Sandford was elected after all that came out and SC is firmly in the Trump camp. You're totally off-base. "Values" mean nothing in this instance.
 
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Despite the Trump stuff, most people in the South are still "values" voters. Cheating on and then creeping on your wife are not going to be real endearing things with a decent candidate primarying him.

You just described Trump,and then intimated that Trump voters would not vote for him? Seems to be some disconnect here?Maybe these "values voters" don't realize they are "values voters"?
 
Despite the Trump stuff, most people in the South are still "values" voters. Cheating on and then creeping on your wife are not going to be real endearing things with a decent candidate primarying him.
Your Southern "values voters" overwhelmingly elected a lying, vulgar, philandering, pussy-grabbing, porn-star-laundering fraud and crook who pervs on his daughter. An asshole who shits on every value Republicans claimed to hold dear. And they love him for it. Especially the evangelicals.

Yet you're explaining how it's "values voters" who've now finally done Sanford in for that infidelity thing that happened back then? In an election where his pro-Trump opponent made the election about how anti-Trump he was?

I scoff at Republican "values voters". What "values" are those supposed to be?
 
Especially the evangelicals.
Not to beat a dead horse, but it's worth pointing out that the Republican coalition has not gone crazy in a consistent manner. Some constituencies have gone crazier than others, while some have actually resisted the crazy.

Of all the Republican constituencies, the one that has gone the craziest, and the one that will leave this era with the largest and deepest stain on its legacy, is the white evangelical protestant. Some Republicans have traded their souls to the devil in exchange for judges and policy. Others have decided it's too much, and left the camp. Whatever you think about either of those choices, only white evangelical protestants have, by and large, demonstrated to the country that they have always been entirely and completely full of the worst kind of shit.
 
Your Southern "values voters" overwhelmingly elected a lying, vulgar, philandering, pussy-grabbing, porn-star-laundering fraud and crook who pervs on his daughter. An asshole who shits on every value Republicans claimed to hold dear. And they love him for it. Especially the evangelicals.

Yet you're explaining how it's "values voters" who've now finally done Sanford in for that infidelity thing that happened back then? In an election where his pro-Trump opponent made the election about how anti-Trump he was?

I scoff at Republican "values voters". What "values" are those supposed to be?

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Some interesting results in the GOP primary. Vocal Trump supporter Corey Stewart has won the nomination for Senate from Virginia. And after getting a last-minute endorsement from the President, Katie Arrington has knocked off Mark Sanford in SC-01.

However, GOP establishment types might not like those results, especially in Virginia. Kaine was always going to be a favorite, but facing off against someone who was just a little two late in realizing he shouldn't praise Paul Nehlen will help him even more. SC-01 is pretty red, so it might not matter who wins there, but it's not a gimme, and could be a district to target in the even that the so-called "blue wave" appears realistic. Arrington outflanked Sanford from the right.


Just reading up on Virginia,and Stewart's win could be a huge windfall for Dem hopes to retake the House.Virginia currently has 7 Pub House seats,and there is a deep concern that Pub voters will stay home in record numbers rather than show for a white supremacist.

"Republicans hold 7 of the commonwealth’s 11 seats. Stewart’s win is believed to endanger at least three of them – Barbara Comstock in northern Virginia, Dave Brat in and around Richmond and Denver Riggleman in a large district in southwest Virginia that includes Charlottesville. Two others who might be affected are Rob Wittman, who represents Fredericksburg down through the Northern Neck, and Scott Taylor from Virginia Beach.

Stewart, who was congratulated on his victory by President Trump, is considered toxic among swing voters and certain to energize Democrats. He made a defense of the Confederate flag a centerpiece of his 2017 campaign for governor, and his victory in the Senate primary was cheered by groups like the Virginia Flaggers, a group that pays to erect massive Confederate flags close to major highways in the commonwealth.

“HUGE Victory tonight for Corey Stewart and Virginia’s heritage and culture. The citizens of the Commonwealth sent a strong message … leave our monuments and memorials alone!” the group said on its Facebook page."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/virginia...rey-stewart-drag-house-members-180558438.html

The reality is that not many of the citizens of the Commonwealth sent the message the "Flaggers" alluded to.When Stewart ran for Governor last year,he totalled about 157,000 votes in his Primary loss to Gillespie.Last night he only managed 136,000 in winning the Senate Primary.His nomination really hurts people like Brat and especially Comstock, who had done a pretty good job of separating herself from Trump.

But Stewart is a publicity hound,running an incendiary campaign.After last night's win he joked that Kaine should go to jail.He probably won't be able to resist a visit from Trump,and that would just serve to put a bigger target on Comstock's back.As one Va GOP strategist (former GOP Executive Director Shaun Kenney) put it,"“No one is getting off the couch for a white nationalist”.
 
It's Trump's party now:

President Trump wasn’t on the ballot or even stateside for Tuesday’s primary elections in Virginia and South Carolina. But he loomed over both states, just as he has in nearly every nominating contest this year, underscoring how the Republican Party has become the party of Trump and that its politicians cross him at their peril.

As Representative Mark Sanford of South Carolina found out the hard way, in his surprise primary defeat, having a conservative voting record is less important than demonstrating total loyalty to Mr. Trump, who now enjoys higher approval ratings in his own party than any modern president except George W. Bush following the attacks of Sept. 11. And in Virginia, a far-right candidate, Corey Stewart, won the Republican Senate nomination after waging an incendiary campaign and portraying himself as a disciple of Mr. Trump.

The president’s transformation of the G.O.P. — its policies, its tone, even the fate of its candidates — has never been so evident. A party that once championed free trade has now largely turned to protectionism under Mr. Trump. Sermons about inclusivity have been replaced with demagogic attacks on immigrants and black athletes. A trust-but-verify approach to foreign policy has given way to a seat-of-the-pants style in which rogue regimes like North Korea are elevated and democratic allies like Canada are belittled.
Let me just run a highlighter over this: "Trump . . . now enjoys higher approval ratings in his own party than any modern president except George W. Bush following the attacks of Sept. 11." Republicans elected a corrupt unfit imbecile, and apart from 9/11 they've never been so sure they were right.
 
The problem isn't Trump. The problem is Republicans:

Driving it all has been the sentiment of Republican voters, who have swiftly adopted the president’s issue positions and looked the other way at a progression of missteps and conflicts that would have doomed prior presidents.

Despite misgivings about Trump’s behavior, Republican voters have rewarded him with support unmatched by a Republican president since George W. Bush’s tenure in the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. And they have rained down punishment on those who disagree with Trump.​
 
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