The real danger in going to drag shows is that a Christian might show up with a gun.
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There are christians, and there are saved Sons of God. The saved will not show up. PeaceThe real danger in going to drag shows is that a Christian might show up with a gun.
Understand I was not mad at you. I wasn't mad - there's just not a word stronger than disgusted I can think of. Nauseated? That's probably it.AI...I was discussing that the other day with my brother in Christ. Talk about delusion. Free will has run into this conversation topic on this board and the video on twitter you desired to see which is a tranny pit of hell. Dan got so mad I linked it you saw his response. As he wished I'll let it go. Look for my posts yesterday. Its sensitive content.
Take it to your grave GOAT and see where it leads. Peace! Don't EVER be ashamed to ask me, even PM me about it.So, no. None of your "brothers in Christ" think differently than you. That's all I wanted to know.
👋I disagree. I don't think we can meaningfully address the deeper issues until you admit that the reason you are opposed to trans people/rights is that you simply think they are wrong/sinful/dysfunctional/mentally diseased.
As I set here tonight, enjoying a lapse in sobriety, I recall an epiphany from my redneck past. There’s no problem, not already cured in a country music song.Taking this to the next level that we are on the very beginning edge of…
Think about our new AI programs, being given an owners manual (the Bible) to read and adjust its AI actions accordingly.
Eons ago, we were the AI. God left behind the manual and then gave us free will to do, or to not do .
What will the new AI choose?
Much love for this Ftw. @TheOriginalHappyGoat you got a pretty nice invitation here. Standing.Take it to your grave GOAT and see where it leads. Peace! Don't EVER be ashamed to ask me, even PM me about it.
It's not an honest one. I already asked him about Romans and he ignored it. He doesn't care about salvation. He cares about lording it over others. He's the camel. Nothing more.Much love for this Ftw. @TheOriginalHappyGoat you got a pretty nice invitation here. Standing.
'Accepted' does not have to mean 'normal'.Don't you think its because they just want to normalize who they are? I doubt It has anything to do with ****ing the children.
They want these kids to grow up thinking trans people are normal. That is, they want to be normal and accepted as normal. That's a nearly universal human desire, much more so for outcasts. This is also, at bottom, why these people on Libs of TikTok brag about what they do to little kids--they are trying to normalize all these 1,000s of genders and inculcate into the next generation the notion that gender fluidity is scientific and acceptable.
Librarian - hot or not - reading to children does not equal dressing up as the other sex reading to children.In a previous life I dated a hot children's librarian. She loved reading to children because she loved reading to children. No one thought she might have an ulterior motive.
OKWas it?
I've been nudged more to the left simply because I better understand the logic behind the rhetoric vs what is coming out from the right.
For example take lock downs....what makes more sense in behavior (not if it's correct or not but from a strategic motivation).
1. There's a deadly virus going around with no cure so the best offense is a good defense....separate, mask up and when it gets really bad lock down.
Or.
2. The evil Dems released this onto the world to get rid of Donald Trump and to control us.
Which to be honest, if that's true that's pretty f#$king sadistic that would make the biggest sociopath go 'DAAAYUM'! I mean we're killing people all over the world just to get Trump out of office (never mind that a national crisis is normally a great thing for an incumbent because we are much less likely to switch leaders during a crisis).
On top of that what is the benefit for Dems in lockdowns? They aren't permanent. They aren't great for the economy? Sure it started in 2020 but the worst year was 2021...what is the benefit politically in locking down, what did I get for my power grab?
It's not logical.
Take the grooming accusations. Again what is the benefit for lib teachers to groom children to be trans cause I can't think of one. Now grooming them to hate republicans....that at least makes logical sense as THERE IS A BENEFIT for doing so, but to encourage kids to be trans??? What's the benefits to me?
If I was a Marvel superhero and my power was I could turn children into trans....why would I even do that unless I'm a complete sociopath that wants children to live a life of terror?
It doesn't make sense.
On the flip side why does turning to fascist tendencies benefit republicans... because you're growing smaller as a group to where democratic methods are getting tougher and tougher to have work for you. Turning to a strongman and collapsing the rights of the opposition groups benefits you.
Now I definitely could be a paranoid wack job over this (I was stunned that there weren't massive fights at the polls like I thought there would be at the mid terms which caused me to wonder if my bearings are a little too skewed) but the logic behind it makes sense as I can see the benefits for it for your ideology.
Anyway, that's all I ask of anyone who gets into highly charged political discussions...just ask yourself what is the benefit for the accusation.
Appreciate the conversation ftw.
Sorry if I missed it. Honestly and humbly sorry man. What did i miss.It's not an honest one. I already asked him about Romans and he ignored it. He doesn't care about salvation. He cares about lording it over others. He's the camel. Nothing more.
So they are grooming them.Don't you think its because they just want to normalize who they are? I doubt It has anything to do with ****ing the children.
They want these kids to grow up thinking trans people are normal. That is, they want to be normal and accepted as normal. That's a nearly universal human desire, much more so for outcasts. This is also, at bottom, why these people on Libs of TikTok brag about what they do to little kids--they are trying to normalize all these 1,000s of genders and inculcate into the next generation the notion that gender fluidity is scientific and acceptable.
How about the KKK? They insist that, first and foreost, they are a Christian organization. Fine people, right?There are christians, and there are saved Sons of God. The saved will not show up. Peace
Did she read to children in lingerie? Did she dress like a street walker to read Green Eggs and Ham? It is almost as if there is always a sexual component to the drag queens (like down to their fake ass names they pick) that you all want to just gloss over.In a previous life I dated a hot children's librarian. She loved reading to children because she loved reading to children. No one thought she might have an ulterior motive.
Dylan Mulvaney insists he is a girl and he is a girl like the KKK is a Christian organization. The earnestness of your belief doesn't make it reality.How about the KKK? They insist that, first and foreost, they are a Christian organization. Fine people, right?
If they are of violence are they of Christ?How about the KKK? They insist that, first and foreost, they are a Christian organization. Fine people, right?
Appreciate the link to this Swedish study.We have data examining actual suicide rate. Not subjective feelings of anxiety, depression and suicidal ideation.
This is the largest and best study on the subject to date.
Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden
Context The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex reassignment. Objective To estimate mortality...journals.plos.org
You described exactly how I feel about trans people.I disagree. I don't think we can meaningfully address the deeper issues until you admit that the reason you are opposed to trans people/rights is that you simply think they are wrong/sinful/dysfunctional/mentally diseased.
Thank you Brad, I don't think we're on the same team ideologically (and that's okay) but I always appreciate your methodology.Don't you think its because they just want to normalize who they are? I doubt It has anything to do with ****ing the children.
They want these kids to grow up thinking trans people are normal. That is, they want to be normal and accepted as normal. That's a nearly universal human desire, much more so for outcasts. This is also, at bottom, why these people on Libs of TikTok brag about what they do to little kids--they are trying to normalize all these 1,000s of genders and inculcate into the next generation the notion that gender fluidity is scientific and acceptable.
Grooming to me means attempting to turn them into something, like trying to actually turn them into a trans.So they are grooming them.
You continue to say this and it’s disingenuous at best.Exactly the same argument was made twenty years ago about gays.
I find it revealing that Mark gets so wound up over the injustice of the trans issue yet thanks an openly bigoted post like this.The real danger in going to drag shows is that a Christian might show up with a gun.
The issue with the 'gender affirming care therapy is an immoral evil that needs to be eliminated' argument is pretty simple....it has worked like a motherfu$$a and there are no counter solutions that can generate close to the same outcomes.
Suicide rates are down significantly (73%) after starting gender affirming therapy.
https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicid...gender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care
On the flip side, suicide rates nearly double for those that have gone through 'conversion therapy'.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/lgb-suicide-ct-press-release/
The largest source for suicide is due to outside forces, not from an internal struggle (ie everyone calling them freaks with mental issues).
From the Trevor Project summary: 'LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society'
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Now it's showing that regret rates for those who end up having surgical procedures are waaay less than the regret rates for those having standard procedures, including life saving procedures (just 1% have regrets out of 8000 examples compared to the average of 14%).
https://www.gendergp.com/new-study-...of-gender-affirming-surgery-are-non-existent/
So you have a very small group of people who are asking for gender affirming care that ultimately is saving lives....but, of course, there are a large group of people with absolutely no skin in the game (because if you did and it was your child that was a suicidal time bomb, I'm pretty sure you'd want the option to potentially save their lives) trying to tell others what is best, even if we know the solution doing nothing but denial raises the odds significantly that they'll die.
To me that's the crux of the argument. Until you can prove that gender affirming care doesn't provide potential life saving treatments, or you have a solution that generates even better results...the argument against is DOA.
Other notes to add.
The overwhelming majority of this gender affirming therapy program is counseling. As mentioned, the very few people that do something permanent before they are an adult have to get sign offs from a parent, doctor and mental health practitioner to even be considered.
Secondly, a study came out from things like census data that basically compared American responses to actuals when it comes to the size of groups.
For example, Americans believe that 21% of people are trans!!! Holy shit 1 out of 5 are trans!!! Nevermind the absurdity of that....but bigger picture obviously means that fear propaganda works.
It was a reaction to the transgender issue seeming to be everywhere all at once.
Braun is god awfulOdd. I would think he'd be a shoo-in for the Braun seat if he wanted it. I like the guy. He may not be my ideal, but he's the closest to my ideal Republican I've seen in a long long time.
I answered your questions. It’s not as if i am trying to find an alternate definition to lifestyle. I also did not ask difficult questions.You really didn't. But cheers. Try again tomorrow.
I think the idea of fear is overplayed.Grooming to me means attempting to turn them into something, like trying to actually turn them into a trans.
Or trying to turn them into woke social justice warriors in a f#$ked up reverse 1984 where the teenagers turn their parents into the national Woke police.
Seems to me they are just trying to be nice and not something to be scared of.
Do you think that Tik Tok virality is controlled by the corporations?by everywhere, you mean corporate media.
this didn't happen by accident, and wasn't driven by voters.
a "hey, look over there" misdirection, to keep the discussion off economic topics.
anything to keep the discussion off economic topics.
They're doing it to rub it in the faces of parents who don't want their kids to be influenced by the mentally ill.Grooming to me means attempting to turn them into something, like trying to actually turn them into a trans.
Or trying to turn them into woke social justice warriors in a f#$ked up reverse 1984 where the teenagers turn their parents into the national Woke police.
Seems to me they are just trying to be nice and not something to be scared of.
Dystopia.
Was she a mentally ill deviant? And yes, I believe that from a biological standpoint that sexual relationships outside of man-woman (in line with the biological imperative) are unnatural & deviant. Doesn’t mean I hate gays, just don’t think it’s natural considering the purpose of the reproductive systems. So your comparison falls flat. Brad explains very well why they want to do it imo…In a previous life I dated a hot children's librarian. She loved reading to children because she loved reading to children. No one thought she might have an ulterior motive.
Sorry we're going nowhere. I'll come back and reread and see what I missed.I answered your questions. It’s not as if i am trying to find an alternate definition to lifestyle. I also did not ask difficult questions.
Okay, so here's the deal. We were tossing a bunch of phrases around, and you used both "lifestyle" and "mental illness." I asked which one you think transgender identity is. You didn't actually answer. You responded by defining each term, but you didn't say how you would categorize transgender identity.I answered your questions. It’s not as if i am trying to find an alternate definition to lifestyle. I also did not ask difficult questions.
I agree with most of what you have written. I would probably quibble with a few sentences but I don’t have the time tonight. I will say that my statements were meant for adults other than the one where I said if the parents want to engage in hormone therapy on a child the taxpayers should not be responsible for the resulting healthcare based on that decision.Okay, so here's the deal. We were tossing a bunch of phrases around, and you used both "lifestyle" and "mental illness." I asked which one you think transgender identity is. You didn't actually answer. You responded by defining each term, but you didn't say how you would categorize transgender identity.
Either way, I don't think it matters to my original point that started all this. I think you clearly view transgender identity as something that is inherently disordered. It could be morally, or it could be from a mental health standpoint, but it's simply "not right." And my original point was that all the conversations about parental consent and parental rights are meaningless if deep down, what you really think is simply that the only correct response society should have towards transgender identity is to fix it.
And that's fine. My original point (I hate to keep using that phrase) was simply that we need to be honest about this. If we think that transgender identity is inherently disordered, then let's say that. Let's not dress it up as teachers trying to infringe upon the rights of parents, because clearly that's not what the issue actually is. That's all.I agree with most of what you have written. I would probably quibble with a few sentences but I don’t have the time tonight. I will say that my statements were meant for adults other than the one where I said if the parents want to engage in hormone therapy on a child the taxpayers should not be responsible for the resulting healthcare based on that decision.